****2020 Official Houston Astros We Don't Have To Cheat To Beat You Season Thread****

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Kershaw is only signed through next year and I doubt he stays around.

I don't see them shelling out for him after his back injuries and poor playoff performance.
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That kind of where we are at paying Bregman (not crazy money yet), Altuve, JV, & Greinke. We all know Springer, Brantley, Yuli & Correa are about hit the market and they're all going to want raises.
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irish pete ag06 said:

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Cole sucks now.

He sucked at the start of last year, too. I clowned him.

Then he started dominating...so we'll just need to wait and see if he can adjust.

definitely not worth that mega contract though
He wasn't as good as his finish, obviously, but he did run into some bad luck.

First 12 starts
4.11 ERA
3.12 FIP
2.55 xFIP

You can see he was going to regress to the mean (put up better #s)

This year is a little different. His ERA is similar to his FIP/xFIP.

3.51 ERA
4.38 FIP
3.41 xFIP

It may look even worse after today.

Something is happening to cause him to be hit harder and higher.

2019 -> 2020
Exit Velo: 87.6 -> 90.6 (highest of his career)
Launch Angle: 14.0 -> 17.5 (highest of his career)
Barrel %: 5.7% -> 11.1% (again highest of his career)

His vertical movement is slightly down across the board (not much tho) & velo too (again barely). Which makes sense because his spin is down too.

Looking at some of the visuals, he's throwing his breaking pitches outside and farther from the strike zone.

He's eliminated his sinker, but that was his worst pitch so it shouldn't be hurting him.

I fully expected to see something just out when reviewing him more closely, but I'm not seeing it. He's just getting roughed up. Maybe he's tipping? Did Maldonado make that much of a difference compared to Gary (I assume that's his catcher).





Here's a list of what I've noticed is wrong with Cole.

1. No Strom
Let's not forget our catchers who are calling great games and pitch sequences. Strom helps come up with the plans, but the catcher really helps the pitcher execute.
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Do you not think of Gary Sanchez as a mastermind pitch caller, or receiver
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astros4545 said:

Do you not think of Gary Sanchez as a mastermind pitch caller, or receiver
Hah, Considering he can't do the basics of fielding a throw home to tag a runner..... no.

In fact, he's so bad, I might give that the edge in reasons over Strom.
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We have Maldanado, who turned Lance around from 1 start to the next...

Cole has Sanchez. It matters
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To be fair, Greinke isn't listening to a thing Machete says or paying any attention to how many fingers he's putting down. Then again, Greinke may be channeling Zaquon the Great on Planet XX247Z trying to decide what to throw and how fast to throw it.
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astros4545 said:

Do you not think of Gary Sanchez as a mastermind pitch caller, or receiver


Doesn't Sanchez have a WS ring? I mean I'm assuming we sent him one for his heroic plays at the plate in the 17 ALCS
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I'm thinking Kershaw is a Dodger-lifer...and he will be re-signed at a healthy $30 MM per season
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it is interesting that Kershaw, Greinke, and JV all hit free agency at the same time
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W said:

it is interesting that Kershaw, Greinke, and JV all hit free agency at the same time


Assuming all are healthy, how do you rank them for a FA contract.
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bearkatag15 said:

W said:

it is interesting that Kershaw, Greinke, and JV all hit free agency at the same time


Assuming all are healthy, how do you rank them for a FA contract.


Given age I'd say Kershaw - JV - Greinke
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Cole seems like a mess here...
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I know that this isn't baseball related, but damn that guy is an idiot
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bearkatag15 said:



Cole seems like a mess here...




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I would rank them by length of contract they would accept.

1. JV -- he would probably take a 2-year deal
2. Greinke -- probably 2 or 3 years
3. Kershaw will want 4 or 5 years
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All that money in NY comes with a price. That microscope chews guys up and spits them out. Not everyone is able to deal with it. Cole may be one of those who isn't cut out for it.
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if the Rays (25-11) can win one more in New York (19-14)...Tampa is just about in the clear to win the AL East.

no more games left vs. the Yankees after Wednesday (or vs. the Braves)
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and Boone and the Yankees did Cole no favors by having him pitch every 3rd or 4th game in the first month. It put too much of the weight of the season on his shoulders.

so far he has started 8 of NYY's 33 games.

Boone is finally using his 4th and 5th starters on a regular basis
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one significant non-trade today...the Indians held onto Lindor.

he is a free agent after the 2021 season (like Correa)...and there is essentially no chance Cleveland will re-sign him. Lindor will command one of the 10-year mega-deals. Only 26 years old.

the Tribe might try to move him in the offseason (a la Mookie)
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Those 2 will be the next 300 M deals. I hope y'all all plan on losing Carlos.
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I've never understood the fascination with Lindor. He's obviously an electric fielder. He's a good hitter with solid pop, but I wouldn't view him as an elite player. Maybe it's the fact that he is a 5 tool player, but I don't view him as elite outside of fielding.
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Agmaniacmike12 said:

I've never understood the fascination with Lindor. He's obviously an electric fielder. He's a good hitter with solid pop, but I wouldn't view him as an elite player. Maybe it's the fact that he is a 5 tool player, but I don't view him as elite outside of fielding.


Him staying healthy is a big deal when compared to CC
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Lindor seems bound for New York.

either Queens or the Bronx.

the Mets will have money to spend by 2022.

the Yankees will too if they decide Judge is too injury prone for a mega-contract
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Zero chance NYY let judge walk. They will pay him and hope for the best.
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Jason Lane on kbo broadcast On ESPN right now
Gig’em Aggies!
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Is there a more overrated player in baseball right now than Aaron Judge? He just isn't that good
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bearkatag15 said:



Cole seems like a mess here...

That's a broken man right there.
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Ag_07 said:

bearkatag15 said:



Cole seems like a mess here...

That's a broken man right there.
Maybe they shouldn't make Samson shave his beard off.
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Cole is too sensitive to handle the pressure and media scrutiny of playing for the Yankees. That video is just the tip of the ice berg. It's only gonna get worse.

He's not a $300mm pitcher. Our system just made him look like one for a few months last year.

He'll be a good pitcher for them, but that's not what they paid for.
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Deluxe said:

Cole is too sensitive to handle the pressure and media scrutiny of playing for the Yankees. That video is just the tip of the ice berg. It's only gonna get worse.

He's not a $300mm pitcher. Our system just made him look like one for a few months last year.

He'll be a good pitcher for them, but that's not what they paid for.



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Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.




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In the interest of piling on, seems like a good time to remind everyone that we have three SP ranked ahead of Cole in Fangraphs WAR (Greinke, Framber, LMJ). Javier isn't far behind. And that doesn't include the reigning CY winner, who's on the IL.
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We are officially playing tonight
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tjack16 said:

We are officially playing tonight
Won't believe it till we're in the 2nd inning
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