Or will this pay argument totally derail any chance of it coming back?

It will be back. July sometime.

May have some semblance of a season, but no fans.

Sounds like for a July 4th-ish start to happen, they need to come to an agreement by June 1st and start training a week or so later. It is only May 19th - I would expect their negotiations to really get going after Memorial Day.

I'm currently 85% certain there will be a season but it will be interesting to see how many players choose to sit it out because of a medical condition (personal or family member).

especially for the players on teams that will only play road/neutral site games for a long time.

e.g. California teams

Are you thinking because of local restrictions? Their governor said sports could resume in June.

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especially for the players on teams that will only play road/neutral site games for a long time.

e.g. California teams

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California teams will be at home. Announced yesterday

Bobby Petrino`s Neckbrace said:

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I'm all in favor of the letting spoiled millionaire ballplayers go without any income for the next 8 months.

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for some pros I agree with this but majority of milb players are struggling right now and even some of the players who were free agents. They aren't getting nothing guaranteed to them

Bobby Petrino`s Neckbrace said:

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I'm all in favor of the letting spoiled millionaire ballplayers go without any income for the next 8 months.

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for some pros I agree with this but majority of milb players are struggling right now and even some of the players who were free agents. They aren't getting nothing guaranteed to them

If high schools are opening for baseball now, what is MLB waiting on? Figure it out!

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I would be happier if it was in writing somewhere that west coast games have to start at 7pm CST. 9pm games make me sad

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Glad to know you'll be the reason for the lockout and season never starting

Part of me just says screw it, we'll see you in 2021 (hopefully). There's just so many different types of issues and it's gonna be so far from a normal baseball setting. I don't know what to think.

If the NHL, NBA, and NFL all restart or start on time and MLB doesn't then it'll be a terrible look.

I'm losing more hope each day in regards to baseball this season. It seems like almost none of the players are okay with the recent proposal.

Until June 1 rolls around, no need to even be concerned.

I thought it was interesting that the article I read earlier had the players complaining about no hydrotherapy/showers, limiting family, and them having to arrive in uniform. Nothing about pay and they said they wanted more tests than they were offering. Seems like a kind of contradictory stance to complain about their safety being on the line and then turn around and complain about some of the measures being used to keep them safe.

Drellich saying players don't like the plan. Hopefully this is just a negotiating tactic. I know the players don't like the idea of a revenue share or sliding scale, but it's probably the most fair way to do this. If you are only going to play 50% of games and (most, if not all) in empty stadiums, I'm not sure how the players can expect to take only a 30-40% pay cut. This is the latest data I was able to find on revenue by stream but I would assume revenue will be down over 50%.



I would think the health and safety considerations can be worked out.

Not sure why the players are bad guys for wanting to get paid what they agreed to get paid. Pro-rated salary should be the only offer the owners get to make.

All this "I don't feel bad for millionaire baseball players not getting paid" bull**** is stupid.

While it might not sit well with you, what are your other options? It's not like there is a thriving job market. If there is for your occupation, chances are, your boss isn't coming to you with that proposition. Lots of people are dealing with this issue now and taking pay cuts. >30 million Americans are now unemployed because their employer's business is either shutdown or slow.

The players have contracts, but there is apparently a vague clause in the standard player agreement which in case of national emergency, the commissioner can suspend the operation of the contract. I would assume COVID triggers that language.

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Not sure why the players are bad guys for wanting to get paid what they agreed to get paid. Pro-rated salary should be the only offer the owners get to make.

All this "I don't feel bad for millionaire baseball players not getting paid" bull**** is stupid.

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If they don't play at all the offer is going to be they don't make a damned thing. The reality is, they're likely going to have to kick in more to make this hurt less for the league as a whole and if they don't they're all going to look stupid and the players are going to get vilified whether that's right or wrong. Blake Snell being a complete idiot certainly didn't help their image.

Not that any of this really matters as, at this point, this is all negotiating posturing.

The closer we get to June without a plan, in my opinion, the lower the chance of having a season this year.

I don't necessarily begrudge the players, they are already taking a paycut. But so are millions of other Americans right now.

Unfortunately, MLB doesn't have to open their books or the players could negotiate some type of sliding scale where they make X%based on this gross revenue amount or Y% based on this gross revenue amount.

I just hope we get something and we're all at our respective teams ballparks by August watching live and in person.

the owners have to explain to the players union the concept of cost accounting. Show how overhead costs are covered / incorporated into the price of each ticket for each home game. And of course those overhead costs now include additional medical supplies, equipment, testing, and so forth.

that's why ownership cannot straight up agree to 50% pay for 50% of the season (81 games)

Player's response...

So much for that, won't be a season now.

Who would have thought that when this whole pandemic started ... the thing that would actually keep baseball from being played was money