Good luck
JJxvi said:
Good luck
JJxvi said:
In addition to all this nonsense BS about %'s the MLB HoF also makes ridiculous distinctions between first ballot hall of famers and those who take multiple votes. I can see a (pretty weak) argument that Jeter isn't a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's arguably a Barry Larkin/Alan Trammell level player who happened to play for the Yankees. Obviously he probably should be a first ballot guy, but really I'm way more surprised that only one person left him off because of the first ballot thing than I am that he wasn't unanimous
Because something was dumb in the past, that becomes the standard? Abysmal logicMr.Bond said:
Those guys I mentioned were definitely more or at the very least as deserving of unanimous votes. If they didn't receive it then that's the standard
Mabel Choate said:Because something was dumb in the past, that becomes the standard? Abysmal logicMr.Bond said:
Those guys I mentioned were definitely more or at the very least as deserving of unanimous votes. If they didn't receive it then that's the standard
Marvin said:Moxley said:
Jeter one vote shy of being unanimous.
That one voter should lose his ability to cast another one. Just dumb.
Wow. Never would have guessed only 3 time all-star. Looking back at his stats, looked like he was a decent hitter with very little power. I guess I can see why he would be left out. I just remember how great he was with his glove.JJxvi said:
I wouldnt vote for him. Only a 3 time all-star,only once did he ever get MVP votes, and even in that year three other players at his position finished higher than him in the league in the voting.
He's a no stick all defense player, the only reason he's remotely considered is because despite the crappy bat he managed to accumulate 24 years of adding up some counting stats.
Here's a good article about his defense and that he might not have been as great as we think: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/jaws-and-the-2020-hall-of-fame-ballot-omar-vizquel/Yellerjacket said:Wow. Never would have guessed only 3 time all-star. Looking back at his stats, looked like he was a decent hitter with very little power. I guess I can see why he would be left out. I just remember how great he was with his glove.JJxvi said:
I wouldnt vote for him. Only a 3 time all-star,only once did he ever get MVP votes, and even in that year three other players at his position finished higher than him in the league in the voting.
He's a no stick all defense player, the only reason he's remotely considered is because despite the crappy bat he managed to accumulate 24 years of adding up some counting stats.
Marvin said:Moxley said:
Jeter one vote shy of being unanimous.
That one voter should lose his ability to cast another one. Just dumb.
W said:
Vizquel is a very interesting case.
as previously mentioned he was only a 3-time all-star. But of course he played in the era of Jeter, Nomar, Tejada, and some Cal Ripken. Wasn't going to beat any of those guys for all-star votes.
note...Jeff Bagwell was only a 4-time all-star.
on the flipside...I didn't realize how dreadful his MVP voting numbers were. Only finished in the top 25 one time (#16 in 1999) in 24 professional seasons. That is really bad. Terra-bad.
however his career BA is .272 ---- which is good. And he stole 404 career bases