2020 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

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I see but ONE unanimous entry...the rest...ehhh...hope that effin tea sip never gets in!
Let’s Go Brandon!
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Adam Dunn should get some votes for being a man ahead of his time.

he was mister one true outcome...before the term existed
astros4545
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Putz
Heath Bell
Valverde


You should lose your vote if they aren't first ballot entrees
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So its jeter and who else?
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I'd vote:

Bonds
Clemens
Helton
Jeter
Kent
Schilling
Sheffield
Wagner
Walker

I'd listen to input for including Pettitte, Rolen, or Vizquel, and for removing Helton from the list.
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My ballot would be:

Jeter
Schilling
Sheffield

Maybe Walker.
Mathguy64
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Jeter
Bonds
Clemens
Shilling

Its time for the steroid stigma to lift. With this ballot and how thin it is this is Bonds and Clemens best chance they will ever get.

Helton and Walker were very much products of their home field. Nope for me.

Kent is the Hall of Very Good.

I'm torn on Wagner.
safety guy
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Billy Wagner should not get in. Neither should pettite. Andy will get in because he's a yankee and was great in post season. But he was never great. He belongs in the hall of very good. Wagner is trash as far as I am concerned. Look at his playoff stats. They are beyond horrible. Sure, there are some players who have poor postseason stats but with few games. Billy had a lot of postseason appearances and an era at 10. Hall of fame, hardly.
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mathguy86 said:

Jeter
Bonds
Clemens
Shilling

Its time for the steroid stigma to lift. With this ballot and how thin it is this is Bonds and Clemens best chance they will ever get.

Helton and Walker were very much products of their home field. Nope for me.

Kent is the Hall of Very Good.

I'm torn on Wagner.
Agree, add Sosa. Eventually add Rolen and Manny.
94chem
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If you think the #3 closer of all-time should get in, then Wagner and/or Joe Nathan should get in. If you think it should be limited to Hoffman and Rivera, then Wagner would be a NO.

Among current closers likely to enter this conversation in the next 10 years, we have Chapman and Kimbrel.

The next quandary for the voters will be what to do with outstanding middle relievers. This is really only a position that began <25 years ago, starting when Rivera was the 8th inning guy in NY. Now with guys like Chapman, Britton, and Andrew Miller dominating in the 7th and 8th inning, the Hold may become the Holy Grail. I'm sure Bill James will help us sort all of this out.
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94chem said:

If you think the #3 closer of all-time should get in, then Wagner and/or Joe Nathan should get in. If you think it should be limited to Hoffman and Rivera, then Wagner would be a NO.

Among current closers likely to enter this conversation in the next 10 years, we have Chapman and Kimbrel.

The next quandary for the voters will be what to do with outstanding middle relievers. This is really only a position that began <25 years ago, starting when Rivera was the 8th inning guy in NY. Now with guys like Chapman, Britton, and Andrew Miller dominating in the 7th and 8th inning, the Hold may become the Holy Grail. I'm sure Bill James will help us sort all of this out.
I don't follow. There are several closers in the HOF.
94chem
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South Platte said:

94chem said:

If you think the #3 closer of all-time should get in, then Wagner and/or Joe Nathan should get in. If you think it should be limited to Hoffman and Rivera, then Wagner would be a NO.

Among current closers likely to enter this conversation in the next 10 years, we have Chapman and Kimbrel.

The next quandary for the voters will be what to do with outstanding middle relievers. This is really only a position that began <25 years ago, starting when Rivera was the 8th inning guy in NY. Now with guys like Chapman, Britton, and Andrew Miller dominating in the 7th and 8th inning, the Hold may become the Holy Grail. I'm sure Bill James will help us sort all of this out.
I don't follow. There are several closers in the HOF.
I'm only considering modern closers. Guys like Eck, Sutter, Lee, Gossage were all relief pitchers who also closed. Eck was a pure closer, but he also had great numbers as a starter.
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I'm underwhelmed as well.

Jeter's in. He's highly overrated IMO, but would get in even if he was more reasonably evaluated.

Bonds and Clemens have the PED issue, and Schilling has a likeability problem.

I've looked elsewhere, and based on stats, Larry Walker should get in. Raw numbers are as good as, or better than Jeter's, in 800 fewer games.
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Bonds
Clemens
Dunn - maybe, need to look more closely
Jeter
Kent
Ramirez
Schilling
Sheffield - maybe, need to look more closely
Soriano - maybe, need to look more closely
Wagner
Walker
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Anyone that doesn't vote Jeter should lose their vote. Can't argue with his success. He was a good baseball player too.
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Is there a criteria for getting on the ballot or is that just basically a list of guys who are now/still eligible?

Because why even bother putting some of the guys on the ballot?
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Helton and Walker were very much products of their home field. Nope for me.

So, you're basically saying that no Rockies should ever get in the Hall.
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diehard03 said:

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Helton and Walker were very much products of their home field. Nope for me.

So, you're basically saying that no Rockies should ever get in the Hall.
Walker spent 8 seasons outside of Colorado early and late and his career. Even outside of Corrs he had an .880 OPS.
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diehard03 said:

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Helton and Walker were very much products of their home field. Nope for me.

So, you're basically saying that no Rockies should ever get in the Hall.
I think all Rockies players should be looked at very carefully and their numbers carefully considered given the altitude and sheer size of that park. Here is Larry Walker:

Career: WAR 72.2, 383 HR, slash lines of .313/.400/.565 OPS .965, 141 OPS+ Those are fantastic numbers. HoF numbers. But wait...

Home and Away splits:
(H) 215 HR, .348/.431/.673, OPS 1.068
(A) 186 HR, .278/.370/.495, OPS .865

He's getting a big home boost. Sure many players have a better home split than away, but this is big. And its worse than this because here are his two big home parks: Coors and the Expos park.

Coors: 600 games, .381/.462/.710 OPS 1.172
Expos: 350 games .293/.373/.578 OPS .890

His Expos numbers look like his overall away numbers as a more normal home/away split. His Coors Field splits are crazy numbers. I mean they are 30-40% better. He was a product of playing at altitude and I a huge field.

Larry Walker is a product of Coors Field. He was a very good player, but for me he's not a HoF player.

And Todd Helton? Its the same. His home/away splits are huge and he's only played at Coors so its even easier to see. Good player, not a HoF player
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mathguy86 said:

diehard03 said:

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Helton and Walker were very much products of their home field. Nope for me.

So, you're basically saying that no Rockies should ever get in the Hall.
I think all Rockies players should be looked at very carefully and their numbers carefully considered given the altitude and sheer size of that park. Here is Larry Walker:

Career: WAR 72.2, 383 HR, slash lines of .313/.400/.565 OPS .965, 141 OPS+ Those are fantastic numbers. HoF numbers. But wait...

Home and Away splits:
(H) 215 HR, .348/.431/.673, OPS 1.068
(A) 186 HR, .278/.370/.495, OPS .865

He's getting a big home boost. Sure many players have a better home split than away, but this is big. And its worse than this because here are his two big home parks: Coors and the Expos park.

Coors: 600 games, .381/.462/.710 OPS 1.172
Expos: 350 games .293/.373/.578 OPS .890

His Expos numbers look like his overall away numbers as a more normal home/away split. His Coors Field splits are crazy numbers. I mean they are 30-40% better. He was a product of playing at altitude and I a huge field.

Larry Walker is a product of Coors Field. He was a very good player, but for me he's not a HoF player.

And Todd Helton? Its the same. His home/away splits are huge and he's only played at Coors so its even easier to see. Good player, not a HoF player
They've let Biggio and Baines in. The floodgates are open. Helton, Walker, and Matt Holliday should get serious consideration as well.
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I think all Rockies players should be looked at very carefully and their numbers carefully considered given the altitude and sheer size of that park. Here is Larry Walker:

Career: WAR 72.2, 383 HR, slash lines of .313/.400/.565 OPS .965, 141 OPS+ Those are fantastic numbers. HoF numbers. But wait...

Home and Away splits:
(H) 215 HR, .348/.431/.673, OPS 1.068
(A) 186 HR, .278/.370/.495, OPS .865

He's getting a big home boost. Sure many players have a better home split than away, but this is big. And its worse than this because here are his two big home parks: Coors and the Expos park.

Coors: 600 games, .381/.462/.710 OPS 1.172
Expos: 350 games .293/.373/.578 OPS .890

His Expos numbers look like his overall away numbers as a more normal home/away split. His Coors Field splits are crazy numbers. I mean they are 30-40% better. He was a product of playing at altitude and I a huge field.

Larry Walker is a product of Coors Field. He was a very good player, but for me he's not a HoF player.

And Todd Helton? Its the same. His home/away splits are huge and he's only played at Coors so its even easier to see. Good player, not a HoF player

That's a lot of words to say "yep. No Rockies ever".
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South Platte said:

mathguy86 said:

diehard03 said:

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Helton and Walker were very much products of their home field. Nope for me.

So, you're basically saying that no Rockies should ever get in the Hall.
I think all Rockies players should be looked at very carefully and their numbers carefully considered given the altitude and sheer size of that park. Here is Larry Walker:

Career: WAR 72.2, 383 HR, slash lines of .313/.400/.565 OPS .965, 141 OPS+ Those are fantastic numbers. HoF numbers. But wait...

Home and Away splits:
(H) 215 HR, .348/.431/.673, OPS 1.068
(A) 186 HR, .278/.370/.495, OPS .865

He's getting a big home boost. Sure many players have a better home split than away, but this is big. And its worse than this because here are his two big home parks: Coors and the Expos park.

Coors: 600 games, .381/.462/.710 OPS 1.172
Expos: 350 games .293/.373/.578 OPS .890

His Expos numbers look like his overall away numbers as a more normal home/away split. His Coors Field splits are crazy numbers. I mean they are 30-40% better. He was a product of playing at altitude and I a huge field.

Larry Walker is a product of Coors Field. He was a very good player, but for me he's not a HoF player.

And Todd Helton? Its the same. His home/away splits are huge and he's only played at Coors so its even easier to see. Good player, not a HoF player
They've let Biggio and Baines in. The floodgates are open. Helton, Walker, and Matt Holliday should get serious consideration as well.
Obvious troll?
the last of the bohemians
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Can their be two entries for Bonds and Clemens, pre juice and post juice.....because I'm pretty sure the pre juiced Bonds and Clemens are HoF
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the last of the bohemians said:

Can their be two entries for Bonds and Clemens, pre juice and post juice.....because I'm pretty sure the pre juiced Bonds and Clemens are HoF
We don't even need that. Clemens and Bonds should be in. So should most of the juicers. It's a joke some of these guys aren't in. And I didn't even like most of them.
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Larry Walker and Todd Helton hit much better at home than they did away. No doubt, that's not a question.

BUT, their away splits are also pretty much identical to Ken Griffey Jr.'s.

Larry Walker and Griffey came into the league the same season.

Walker's away splits: .278/.370/.495
Griffey's away splits: .272/.355/.505

Helton came in a little later, but his away splits are: .287/.386/.469.

I'm not saying "hit as good at Ken Griffey Jr. on the road, and you should go to the Hall of Fame"; I'm just saying the analysis can't stop at "they were better at Coors Field."
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No love for Manny Ramirez? He had a career OPS of .996. Clear HOFer.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ramirma02.shtml
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikedowling/2019/11/25/manny-ramirez-deserves-more-from-the-hall-of-fame/
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Schall 02 said:

No love for Manny Ramirez? He had a career OPS of .996. Clear HOFer.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ramirma02.shtml

Yep. He was an incredible hitter. Best plate awareness of anyone in baseball for 5-10 years. I don't think juicing helps with that.
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ManRam has 0% chance of ever stepping foot in the HoF as a member. Getting busted once was bad. Getting busted a second time and then quitting baseball to avoid the suspension? Not going to happen.
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Manny, Bonds, Clemens....all HoF in a world driven by common sense instead of PC
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Jeter and pass on everybody else.
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If you're including the juicers then Sammy Sosa has to be in.
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Junkhead said:

If you're including the juicers then Sammy Sosa has to be in.


Don't forget Rafael Palmeiro.
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dont forget Ted Simmons, somehow made it into the HOF yesterday. With this and Baines, the HOF is becoming a joke.
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