CFTXAG10 said:

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You mean to tell me that other teams in the league are doing the same **** , and if we dig deeper we will find many more "strategic setups" taking place? FOH

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It blows my mind how inept media is these days

YNWA_AG said:

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Cora is such a hypocrite for calling us out in 2018 during the ALCS

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Usually, the ones calling you out are doing too as the know what's up.

No surprise to me here. Manager just trying to increase the odds for his team to win.

I'm overall glad stuff is coming out about other teams. The idea that is was only the Astros was always stupid. As many of you said, MLB knew what the problem was, implemented new rules, and swept it under the rug hoping the issue wouldn't pop up.

MLB should be happy about this coming up about other teams, honestly. I mean, it makes them look kind of bad, but at least they are not backed into as much of a corner where they have to be heavy handed to "send a message."

There is a guy at work who believes the MLB will/should come done hard on the Astros, like, big fines and lose a 1st and 2nd round draft pick type of hard because he think the MLB needs to send a heavy handed message about sign stealing illegally.

Anyway, anyone who thought the Astros were the only team was willfully ignorant.

Wanted this as a separate post.

In all of the MLB meetings the Astros have had around the investigation, do you think any players or management implicated other teams in the league?

I was thinking specifically with Cora. He has great relationships with a lot of the guys on the team. Not that it takes a gigantic leap in logic to connect some dots between his time with the Astros and his first year with the Red Sox, but do you think anyone in the Astros organization implicated him?

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Once again I'll repeat myself. There is a reason why only the Astros and Sox have been brought up to this point. Who knocked the Yankees out of the playoffs the last three years?

Sounds like a fine and suspensions to FO and coaches.

If they hammer us, they better do it to everyone.

Marvin said:

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If they hammer us, they better do it to everyone.

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They won't (hammer everyone)

dshedd41 said:

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It's funny because he tweets that punishments will be harsh and long suspensions are likely, but then you read the content of the article and there's no such claim. If anything, first paragraph says that the severity of punishments is still TBD by Manfred. Which is it? Seems like another addition to the long list of irresponsible reporting on this subject by reporters with a vendetta against the Astros.

Nino Brown said:

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Once again I'll repeat myself. There is a reason why only the Astros and Sox have been brought up to this point. Who knocked the Yankees out of the playoffs the last three years?

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Four out of the last five years.

A couple more quotes from the article...

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As far back as 2015, the Yankees used the video replay room to learn other teams' sign sequences, multiple sources told The Athletic.

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By 2017, with rules governing electronic sign stealing still lacking the specificity that would come the next season, the Red Sox, Yankees and Astros were all using their replay rooms to help decode sign sequences in some way, sources said. There are indications other teams did so as well. One National League general manager expressed a feeling that it was fair game.

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But sure, go ahead and throw the hammer down on only the Astros...

Something tells me Crane and co. are going to have an interesting rebuttal if and when Manfred makes his decision

Beat40 said:

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Marvin said:

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If they hammer us, they better do it to everyone.

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The Astros should be or should have been gathering every instance they could determine where another team was doing some sort of illegal sign stealing.

If I'm the Astros, and the MLB only comes down on my team hard to make an example, I release that info and let it burn.

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Exactly. That's why I've always thought this was trending toward a situation where the Astros and MLB would settle like a plea deal in court. MLB allows Astros to plea guilty to a lesser crime and take small punishment in exchange for staying quiet about all the other instances around baseball they know about.

If the punishment is harsh, I hope every instance the Astros know about is leaked and MLB has a crisis to deal with. Between Hinch, Beltran, McCann, Cora, etc, I'm sure they know plenty of info that could make MLB look really really bad.

It's also possible that a source to Drellich's Red Sox story was someone in the Astros org who was starting to get whiffs that punishments could be severe. Kinda like the Astros are saying "be careful MLB."

Beat40 said:

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Wanted this as a separate post.

In all of the MLB meetings the Astros have had around the investigation, do you think any players or management implicated other teams in the league?

I was thinking specifically with Cora. He has great relationships with a lot of the guys on the team. Not that it takes a gigantic leap in logic to connect some dots between his time with the Astros and his first year with the Red Sox, but do you think anyone in the Astros organization implicated him?

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I think those are very good questions. I read a few weeks ago that the Astros main defense is that their system was "standard industry practice" and I presume they had some evidence to back that up. My guess is that Hinch, Cora and Beltran specifically were pretty forthright in unveiling tactics they've seen around the league in their time in baseball. And I'm guessing Cora/Beltran specifically preferred to focus on their time prior to joining the Astros.

As it relates to Cora and the 2018 Red Sox specifically, it kinda wonder if we held our knowledge of their tactics in our back pocket in case MLB decided to trend down a path of making an example out of the Astros.

CFTXAG10 said:

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"I have no reason to believe it extends beyond the Astros at this time"

-Rob Manfred (November 2019)

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He said that because he doesn't want it to be widespread. Pin it on Houston and move on.

Farmer1906 said:

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CFTXAG10 said:

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"I have no reason to believe it extends beyond the Astros at this time"

-Rob Manfred (November 2019)

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He said that because he doesn't want it to be widespread. Pin it on Houston and move on.

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Always the dumbest approach, and I have no idea why people think these are ok statements to make. Just end up looking like a fool and no one believes it anyway.

100% agree

Beat40 said:

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YNWA_AG said:

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Cora is such a hypocrite for calling us out in 2018 during the ALCS

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Usually, the ones calling you out are doing too as the know what's up.

No surprise to me here. Manager just trying to increase the odds for his team to win.

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Yep, same principle as the 'ol "who smelt it dealt it theory."

Beat40 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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CFTXAG10 said:

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"I have no reason to believe it extends beyond the Astros at this time"

-Rob Manfred (November 2019)

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He said that because he doesn't want it to be widespread. Pin it on Houston and move on.

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Always the dumbest approach, and I have no idea why people think these are ok statements to make. Just end up looking like a fool and no one believes it anyway.

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Everyone who is not an Astros fan believes it because that makes life easier for them

No surprise here but sounds like Chirinos is headed back to Arlington. Writing was on the wall for his time in Houston after Maldy signed and we seemed intent to give Garneau backup duties to save $$.