Yep... This will all magically be remedied after November 4. Even moreso if the political colors flip. The virus is real, but what's even more real is propaganda disguised as news (on all sides of the spectrum).iBrad said:
This virus isn't going anywhere. Lockdowns just delayed the inevitable, and we don't even know how much the lockdowns helped, because opening up has coincided with significantly more testing. No other country comes close to us in testing.
At this point, everything is so politicized that you can't believe any of it. Holiday gatherings supposedly led to the spike in cases, but the protests have not contributed. It's a virus, people. Any considerable amount of human interaction is going to increase the likelihood of spreading it.
We have people blaming our officials at all levels both for not containing the virus and the unemployment rate. Crazy times we live in made crazier by the upcoming election. Sports would be a nice unifying distraction, which is why there's so much push to prevent them by some. I sure hope we see games this year, but I'm in "believe it when I see it mode".
irish pete ag06 said:Yep... This will all magically be remedied after November 4. Even moreso if the political colors flip. The virus is real, but what's even more real is propaganda disguised as news (on all sides of the spectrum).iBrad said:
This virus isn't going anywhere. Lockdowns just delayed the inevitable, and we don't even know how much the lockdowns helped, because opening up has coincided with significantly more testing. No other country comes close to us in testing.
At this point, everything is so politicized that you can't believe any of it. Holiday gatherings supposedly led to the spike in cases, but the protests have not contributed. It's a virus, people. Any considerable amount of human interaction is going to increase the likelihood of spreading it.
We have people blaming our officials at all levels both for not containing the virus and the unemployment rate. Crazy times we live in made crazier by the upcoming election. Sports would be a nice unifying distraction, which is why there's so much push to prevent them by some. I sure hope we see games this year, but I'm in "believe it when I see it mode".
And I say that as a high school coach who had to witness 2020 seniors playing softball, baseball, track etc have their seniors years ripped away from them. We had a kid who was going to win gold in shotput... both our baseball and softball teams were on absolute tears and looked poised to make legitimate runs at Austin. Ridiculously frustrating for these kids to have to sacrifice for what appears more politically driven than actually fact driven.
I'm not trying to drag politics into this. I'm somewhat apolitical, but I keep up with it. I just want sports back. It can be done, if we have common sense.
I swear if they cancel high school football season I'm gonna go set something on fire in Austin at the UIL building. That rioting and protesting looking pretty appealing if they cancel that.
Yes... thanks to the sue happy world we live in, everyone is worried sick about a career or life altering lawsuit. It's just a matter of time before some lawyers figure out how to make major bank off this thing.CoachRTM said:irish pete ag06 said:Yep... This will all magically be remedied after November 4. Even moreso if the political colors flip. The virus is real, but what's even more real is propaganda disguised as news (on all sides of the spectrum).iBrad said:
This virus isn't going anywhere. Lockdowns just delayed the inevitable, and we don't even know how much the lockdowns helped, because opening up has coincided with significantly more testing. No other country comes close to us in testing.
At this point, everything is so politicized that you can't believe any of it. Holiday gatherings supposedly led to the spike in cases, but the protests have not contributed. It's a virus, people. Any considerable amount of human interaction is going to increase the likelihood of spreading it.
We have people blaming our officials at all levels both for not containing the virus and the unemployment rate. Crazy times we live in made crazier by the upcoming election. Sports would be a nice unifying distraction, which is why there's so much push to prevent them by some. I sure hope we see games this year, but I'm in "believe it when I see it mode".
And I say that as a high school coach who had to witness 2020 seniors playing softball, baseball, track etc have their seniors years ripped away from them. We had a kid who was going to win gold in shotput... both our baseball and softball teams were on absolute tears and looked poised to make legitimate runs at Austin. Ridiculously frustrating for these kids to have to sacrifice for what appears more politically driven than actually fact driven.
I'm not trying to drag politics into this. I'm somewhat apolitical, but I keep up with it. I just want sports back. It can be done, if we have common sense.
I swear if they cancel high school football season I'm gonna go set something on fire in Austin at the UIL building. That rioting and protesting looking pretty appealing if they cancel that.
I agree with most of what you wrote - I think liability concerns are a bigger issue than politics, but that's neither here nor there. The kids are getting hurt the worst. I can't imagine what it would be like to miss my senior season.
Pahdz said:redline248 said:
If euro soccer, british soccer and MLS can all play games...wtf is wrong with MLB (and college football, for that matter)?
Not so fast with MLS, they've had two teams withdraw.
Other places pull it off because people have more respect for others. Here we're too busy *****ing about "muh freedums" hence the spread.
I wish people would be more decent so we could have things like baseball, football, etc. The answer isn't "full lockdown or nothing" it's in the middle but of course this is America and there is no nuance or middle ground anymore.
I think MLB and the owners are intentionally bungling this to avoid having to pay the players, lose money, and attempt to avoid a grievance. It's the only explanation for what a complete disaster this has been.CFTXAG10 said:
This really is starting to smell like a ploy to say "we tried" and hide behind that when they cancel the season. I hope I am wrong. Would be a big mistake, especially if the NBA pulls off the bubble and the NFL starts on time with no fans.
Everyone has their own opinions about the virus. I think it is very much real, and can have a severely negative effect on the older population and folks that already have major health issues. There are unicorns out there where a healthy 20 or 30 year old get it and have complications but that is few and far between. How at risk are these world class athletes that train pretty much year round and are in peak physical condition? Get this testing issue figured out. MLB has the $$$$ to have the best of the best. Do better.
This is the only reason the season is "happening". Been saying this from the beginning and I will stick to my guns on it. I hope they make it, but I do not see it happening.CFTXAG10 said:
This really is starting to smell like a ploy to say "we tried" and hide behind that when they cancel the season.
The Milkman said:
Am I wrong for thinking that 2% of players/staff league-wide testing positive is not something to be concerned about?
Exactly, the mask wearing boogey man position is getting tiring. Any spike or increase is now being blamed on people for not wearing masks.astros4545 said:Pahdz said:redline248 said:
If euro soccer, british soccer and MLS can all play games...wtf is wrong with MLB (and college football, for that matter)?
Not so fast with MLS, they've had two teams withdraw.
Other places pull it off because people have more respect for others. Here we're too busy *****ing about "muh freedums" hence the spread.
I wish people would be more decent so we could have things like baseball, football, etc. The answer isn't "full lockdown or nothing" it's in the middle but of course this is America and there is no nuance or middle ground anymore.
How much you want to bet the percent of people wearing masks in Europe is within 5% of what it is over here
This can never be proven one way or the other, but whatever
tjholley16 said:
Europe had long and strict lockdowns compared to the US. That is a big reason they are very ahead of us
Their media/leaders were very consistent with their messages and stances on the virus from the beginning. Ours were not, on either side