Frok said:

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Anytime, anywhere....

But not yet and not at that pay

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And trying to use the fans as a shield.

speaking of the Astros and free agency...

LMj is a free agent after the 2021 season.

so if the 2020 season is cancelled...he'll take the mound in his contract year...having not pitched since 2018.

hard to say what the market for LMj would look like. He's never started more than 22 games in a season

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speaking of the Astros and free agency...

LMj is a free agent after the 2021 season.

so if the 2020 season is cancelled...he'll take the mound in his contract year...having not pitched since 2018.

hard to say what the market for LMj would look like. He's never started more than 22 games in a season

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Yep. Some interesting implications of potentially not having a 2020 season.

In one way it could be positive for LMJ. The 2020 season was likely to be very restrictive for him in terms of innings and was likely going to have to make multiple IL stints. By next year he might be able to have a 150-200 inning season. But like you pointed out, it's kind of a lost opportunity for him to re-gain some of his live game sharpness before his free agent year.

One other macro Astros issue from not having a 2020 season is that we're going to have to make some tough decisions on extensions for LMJ, JV and Greinke after 2021. Guys like James, Framber, Abreu, Javier, Sneed, Urquidy and possibly even Whitley were going to be leaned on for meaningful innings this year and give us some good insight as to whether or not they'll be capable of nailing down a rotation spot in 2021 and beyond. Now we'll have to make decisions on extensions for LMJ, JV and Greinke with a bit less info on our potential reinforcements.

At the same time though, after watching what Tampa has pulled off the last few years, I trust Click's ability to scout talent and piece together innings in the long run.

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I assume the players are expected to reject that?

Deluxe said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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I assume the players are expected to reject that?

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lol why wait till 5 to vote on that

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bearkatag15 said:

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I assume the players are expected to reject that?

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lol why wait till 5 to vote on that

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apparently it was originally scheduled to happen at 3pm, but it was pushed back to 5pm for some reason.

this is going to be a problem:

"No salary guarantee in event games not played"

JV will be 39 years old at the start of the 2022 season.

Grienke will be 38 years old at the start of the 2022 season.

I think 2 years is the most the Astros would offer either. Maybe 2 years for $60 MM. Make the offer to JV first

bearkatag15 said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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lol why wait till 5 to vote on that

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apparently it was originally scheduled to happen at 3pm, but it was pushed back to 5pm for some reason.

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Probably a last ditch effort to negotiate before Rob just implements the schedule he wants

Yea. JV and Greinke's age could be a good thing from a commitment standpoint.

Though JV might slip from elite ace status beyond 2021, it's hard to imagine him being worse than a ~No. 2 starter in the next 3-4 years given his fitness and desire to keep pitching. And the idea of incrementally tacking onto his deal without making a long term bet could be very beneficial.

Greinke is a little tougher case because his stuff seems to be deteriorating at a faster clip than JV's, but damn... somehow he keeps finding ways to get guys out. I think he's got another year or two as a top-of-the-rotation type starter. I'd be perfectly happy giving him 1 year deals until he can no longer effectively eat innings, even if he loses his top-of-the-rotation status.

why do they even bother to negotiate?

I guess now we'll see if any Astros refuse to play the 48-game commissioner mandated schedule.

(assuming the commissioner doesn't just call off the season)

So Manfred is going to implement the 50-60 game schedule now? Still think the bigger issue is going to be keeping everyone healthy.

it would be a 48 or 50-game season.

don't know it that would be 100% pro-rata or a lesser amount (80-85%)

As a collective, they are all ****ing ******s

4. Upcoming free agents get destroyed in market

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strangely enough that might help the 'stros keep the band together for a couple of more years.

I could see Brantley or Yuli accepting a 1-year deal. Might not have to offer 2 years

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4. Upcoming free agents get destroyed in market

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strangely enough that might help the 'stros keep the band together for a couple of more years.

I could see Brantley or Yuli accepting a 1-year deal. Might not have to offer 2 years

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Springer needs to factor in staying in Houston for a discount

Just think of all the free dinners at Casa Ole he will be getting from Houston as gratitude

And whining and bltching we're gonna hear from the players when FAs don't get paid is going to be so unbearable.

Well...Maybe they shoulda thought about that in these "negotiations".

Is there any media calling the players out on the when and where statements?