Panama Red said:

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JCA1 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Completely misleading. Not every HBP is intentional.

Some of the guys already hit weren't on the 2017 team, won't be on this team, and we're hit by guys vying for roster spots on other teams.

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Where did anyone mention intent? And why does that matter? HBP is HBP. Are you suggesting it doesn't count as a HBP if deemed unintentional?

He quoted a stat for most HBPs in a season and then extrapolated what the Astros season numbers would be if they continue at this pace. Now, I agree that some were likely unintentional and highly doubt this pace will keep up for long. But the numbers are the numbers.

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And Tigers have been hit 6 times in 4 games. What does that extrapolate out to? Why no tweet on that?


It "matters" because as the other poster said its someone pushing a false narrative.

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The only reason this is a narrative is because a bunch of MLB players basically said the Astros deserve to get plunked every time they come to the plate. You're now surprised people are counting? If players had said they couldn't wait to bean Tigers players, people would be counting those to. That's why one is being tweeted out and the other isn't. This isn't that hard.

Having said that, I agree that 4 games is too small a sample size and even if they are thrown at, it will likely pass within the first month of the season or so. But when people in sports make comments like have been made against the Astros, people are gonna follow it.

No we're not surprised people are counting but our point is you can't lump all HBP as being plunked intentionality. Like I said earlier intent has to be taken into account and you can't just look at the HBP numbers as a whole.

The Vegas over/under lumps them all up. At the end of the day, we're going to lead the league in HBP and the Twitter masses are going to celebrate every one of them, intentional or not. Bigger question is will it be to the gut or aiming for guys heads?

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The Vegas over/under lumps them all up. At the end of the day, we're going to lead the league in HBP and the Twitter masses are going to celebrate every one of them, intentional or not. Bigger question is will it be to the gut or aiming for guys heads?

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*******s like clevenger and stroman head hunting, others throwing behind us

SportsCenter jumping in on the fun

Ag_07 said:

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No we're not surprised people are counting but our point is you can't lump all HBP as being plunked intentionality. Like I said earlier intent has to be taken into account and you can't just look at the HBP numbers as a whole.

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Then please explain to us how we're supposed to count them.

If anyone goes above the shoulders then I think its on. Guys like Lance and JV or even dusty wont stand for that

JCA1 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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No we're not surprised people are counting but our point is you can't lump all HBP as being plunked intentionality. Like I said earlier intent has to be taken into account and you can't just look at the HBP numbers as a whole.

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Then please explain to us how we're supposed to count them.

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Well if you have any baseball IQ of any capacity...a 75 mph off speed pitch that flutters out of the hand would be something that wouldn't count.

The only people who try to count pitches like this as part of "throwing at the Astros intentionally" are people with a narrative , dorks who have never played organized baseball or just complete imbeciles.

Other than looking at only the numbers from the players on the 2017 team I'm not sure there is a better way.

But numbers are numbers bruh

bullard21k said:

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JCA1 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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No we're not surprised people are counting but our point is you can't lump all HBP as being plunked intentionality. Like I said earlier intent has to be taken into account and you can't just look at the HBP numbers as a whole.

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Then please explain to us how we're supposed to count them.

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Well if you have any baseball IQ of any capacity...a 75 mph off speed pitch that flutters out of the hand would be something that wouldn't count.

The only people who try to count pitches like this as part of "throwing at the Astros intentionally" are people with a narrative , dorks who have never played organized baseball or just complete imbeciles.

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As this has probably gone on long enough, I actually don't disagree with you. There is a difference. But it's not always so easy to decide and there's absolutely no definitive stat line you can consult that distinguishes between the two. So, the best available stat we have is HBP. That was my point. The original tweeter just pointed out a stat without comment. The best stat we have available. It was the people here that claimed he was making a statement of intent, which he absolutely did not.

In any event, there's probably no reason to attempt to determine intent. Over the course of a 162 game season, accidental HBPs should probably even out across the league so they should mostly cancel each other out.

Agree that's it's gotten incredibly out of hand but I don't think they have to be either of those 2 options.

What I think they'll end up being is a quiet silent killer who just goes out there and let's their talent do the talking.

I don't think they'll embrace the bad guy role or crumble under the scrutiny. They'll be focused and they'll go out and ball.

Anyone who is thinking they'll underperform is clueless to both the makeup of the team and the talent.

It's also easy to say a team who won 107 games last year, who lost Gerrit Cole, and no other team in MLB history has won 100 games 4 season in a row will underperform.

If we only win 97 games, but still win the division, I bet they will say that is underperforming and link it to the scandal rather than any of what I mentioned above.

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Preciate the non snarky response. Bout to order. Thanks.

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Definitely would prefer the Majestic

I caved and just bought a ST hat as well since the prices have dropped a little. Come at us MLB!!!

Nats crowd is really enjoying George's non-competitive plate appearances tonight.

Kashchei said:

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I caved and just bought a ST hat as well since the prices have dropped a little. Come at us MLB!!!

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There's 2 different versions

One with FL logo on back for 41.99

One without FL logo for 39.99

I got a flex-fitted hat from Fanatics for $32. No FL logo

Good fight from the boys tonight! Squeezed out a tie: the game was essentially their starting line up and scherzer vs the RR Express, George, and Yuli so I'll take it tonight!

Yes sir I liked the comeback effort

Over/Under 10 HRs for Straw this year

bearkatag15 said:

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Over/Under 10 HRs for Straw this year

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He will have 2-3 inside the Parker's and hit another 8 standard over the fence dingers. 6 of those 8 will be at mmp and 2 on the road.

So it's written so it shall be done.