Did anyone see the story about the Washington Nats player called out at 2nd base?

He was on first, 3-2 count he took off with the pitch. The catcher threw down, he was initially safe but came off the bag and was called out. But it was ball 4 so they awarded him the base. The other team complained the umps huddled and than reviewed and called him out. The reasoning was he gets awarded second but once he came off the bag its a live play. This can't possibly be the rule can it? I assume this would have also happened before? Why is it not a dead ball after ball 4?

Definitely not the spirit of the rule, but yes, I would assume that once the base has been touched, the out could be recorded. I've seen a player get tagged out before reaching the base, then voluntarily heading to the dugout, then getting tagged out for real.

Ag_07 said:

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Why wouldn't it be the rule? You don't get timeout the moment you touch the bag.

It's just the same as making it to a base but taking a big turn and being tagged.

Yeah you get the bag but you don't get anything after the bag.

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In regards to 2nd or 3rd base, correct. But at first base as long as you don't make what the umpire considers a move with the intention of going to 2nd base then you can in fact "overrun" the bag.

It was the right call. On a walk, you get free pass to the next base you're being forced to but it's still live play after you get there. I've coached this in select ball - trot down to the next base - ignore any idiot trying to tag you - and stay on the base until play resumes once you get there.

free_mhayden said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Why wouldn't it be the rule? You don't get timeout the moment you touch the bag.

It's just the same as making it to a base but taking a big turn and being tagged.

Yeah you get the bag but you don't get anything after the bag.

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In regards to 2nd or 3rd base, correct. But at first base as long as you don't make what the umpire considers a move with the intention of going to 2nd base then you can in fact "overrun" the bag.

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Yea, he said take a big turn, not sure why you attempted to correct

PatAg said:

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free_mhayden said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Why wouldn't it be the rule? You don't get timeout the moment you touch the bag.

It's just the same as making it to a base but taking a big turn and being tagged.

Yeah you get the bag but you don't get anything after the bag.

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In regards to 2nd or 3rd base, correct. But at first base as long as you don't make what the umpire considers a move with the intention of going to 2nd base then you can in fact "overrun" the bag.

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Yea, he said take a big turn, not sure why you attempted to correct

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Because he stated you get the bag but you don't get anything after the bag.

The runner in the video was out because he came off the bag, not because he made any attempt to advance further. That only applies at 2nd and 3rd, not at 1st.

But he only comes off the bag as part of a stolen base that's invalid after ball 4. Its a separate non play completely unrelated to the walk.

Ag_07 said:

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No shlt

The question was about what happens at second base.

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Then don't say it's the same as making it to a base and making a big turn and/or coming off of it -- because that's not the case at first base. The rule being applied is completely different.

Agnzona said:

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But he only comes off the bag as part of a stolen base that's invalid after ball 4. Its a separate non play completely unrelated to the walk.

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The player is protected in to 2nd base only. After that they can advance at their own risk. The fact that they guy was off with the pitch is inconsequential.

But again had he just walked down he doesn't come off the bag. He only comes off the bag because he was attempting a steal that unbeknownst to him was no longer valid.

Agnzona said:

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But again had he just walked down he doesn't come off the bag. He only comes off the bag because he was attempting a steal that unbeknownst to him was no longer valid.

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The ball does not become dead on a walk though. Him coming off the bag is the exact same thing as the runner continuing on to third base after the walk was issued. Very weird play but certainly the correct ruling.

Once you touch the forced base, it is advance at your own risk. That includes accidently stepping off the base.

That's why in little league, when you see a team that rounds first after a walk, you tell your catcher to throw to first and see if you can catch them rounding first when they get there.

gigemhilo said:

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Once you touch the forced base, it is advance at your own risk. That includes accidently stepping off the base.

That's why in little league, when you see a team that rounds first after a walk, you tell your catcher to throw to first and see if you can catch them rounding first when they get there.

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Yep.

And I did play for a coach with a habit of looking for teams that would sloppily step off 1st immediately after reaching on a walk. But instead of the catcher making the throw, the pitcher would do it just as the kid was reaching the bag. Only problem was sometime, even though it worked, you'd catch the umpire asleep too and he'd miss making the call.

free_mhayden said:

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Ag_07 said:

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No shlt

The question was about what happens at second base.

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Then don't say it's the same as making it to a base and making a big turn and/or coming off of it -- because that's not the case at first base. The rule being applied is completely different.

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Is there video? It sounds like the OP is describing a case where the runner slides and comes off the bag during the slide..,not running past it to 3rd.

I've never seen this happen before and I can't say it sounds right.

Edit: I was way off.

https://www.quora.com/Can-or-should-a-catcher-throw-to-second-if-the-first-base-runner-steals-on-ball-four

Even have a good astros example to show he's out.

The runner stole second the ump called him safe but as he came off the bag he reversed the call to out. Then everyone found out it was ball 4 and they let him stay at second. The other teams manager came out to argue the call, the refs all confired and then called him out again. So the umps initial let him stay because of ball 4.

I get how he can get thrown out like that. Tough play but over sliding the base happens.


The Jose Bautista play is just plain stupid.