Pitch Clock Likely Coming

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The reports indicate that a variety of pacing measures will go into effect in 2018, with a 20-second pitch clock perhaps the most visible and notable among them. Pitch clocks aren't exactly new, as MLB has been experimenting with their use in the minor leagues by way of a 22-second pitch clock. If it does go into effect as the reports suggest, the rule would charge pitchers with a ball if they take more than 20 seconds between pitches (after one warning per game). Hitters, meanwhile, would be required to adhere to a 30-second timer between batters; after a warning (one per game), they would presumably be charged with a strike. Another set of rules would provide that a second mound visit to a given pitcher in the same inning must result in his removal from the game. In addition, future efforts would control the amount of time between innings and the number and length of pitching warm-ups, though that does not appear to be on the docket for the upcoming season.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/pitch-clock-likely-for-2018-despite-ongoing-disagreement-between-mlb-mlbpa-manfred-dispute-mound-visits.html
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Another set of rules would provide that a second mound visit to a given pitcher in the same inning must result in his removal from the game

This is already a rule?
03_Aggie
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Sounds like beer league softball rules.
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03_Aggie said:

Sounds like beer league softball rules.


In some respects, yes, however pitchers and even batters are taking forever to get in the box or pitch, too much crap on the mound and outside the batters box is part of the reason for slower games. I prefer not to do anything and players really trying to police themselves, but watching a batter adjust his batting gloves for 20 seconds in addition to messing with his helmet, is a bit much.
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Suck it David Price
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714961-the-worst-offenders-of-baseballs-biggest-problem-the-games-still-too-slow

This looks like it is going to effect a lot of big names.
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perhaps a visit to the mound from the catcher will also count as an "official visit"
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W said:

perhaps a visit to the mound from the catcher will also count as an "official visit"


You could have multiple visits as long as the manager wasn't involved twice. I think.
titanmaster_race
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They've done all this stuff and ignored what should be the easiest time saving implementation of all: the batter can only request time once during an at bat.
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Marwin's reaction.

Farmer1906
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W said:

perhaps a visit to the mound from the catcher will also count as an "official visit"


I agree with LMJ
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the league office may not agree with LMj
Farmer1906
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W said:

the league office may not agree with LMj


Expect offenses to dominate even more
iBrad
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So are they going to call strikes and balls on offenders when there's two strikes or three balls? Just wait until the speed up rule impacts the outcome of a big game.
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It's all the pitching changes in late innings that slow the game down. They should find a way to speed those up.
94chem
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Players should only get paid for innings that begin before 2 hours and 30 minutes have passed.
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Frok said:

It's all the pitching changes in late innings that slow the game down. They should find a way to speed those up.
Send Mike Scioscia on a one-way trip to Pyongyang?
Farmer1906
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94chem said:

Players should only get paid for innings that begin before 2 hours and 30 minutes have passed.
Unless it is in extra innings.
MAROON
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so the pitch clock hits 18. The pitcher simply steps off the rubber and throws to a base occupied by a runner (assuming a man on base). Does the 20 second clock then start over?

Most of these delays are due to the catcher/pitcher trying to conceal signs from base runners who are actively trying to steal signs.
Farmer1906
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Not always true. Some guys just work very slow.
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I don't have any issue with this change. I also think manager mound visits should be limited to 2-3 per game vs. per pitcher. Once you've burned them, if you need to make a pitching change, do it from the top step of the dugout.
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Absolutely agree. We don't need to see someone stroll out to the mound to grab a ball and hand it to the next guy. Make the motion to the umpire and lets move along. 2 Warmup pitches to get a feel of the mound and let's play ball.
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That's why I said most and not all.

I also think batters have a part to play. Lot's of guys (Marwin) take an inordinate amount of time to get in the box.
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Agreed.
DannyDuberstein
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I'd be fine with 4-5. 8 is ridiculous though. Bullpen pitchers have plenty of entire outings that don't last 8 pitches.
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I also think if they do something like this it should only be for the regular season. Once the playoffs start the game changes. There is a world of difference between a Tuesday game in May and a playoff game.
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I've generally felt baseball could use some modernizing and I want games sped up but a clock seems stupid.
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Agnzona said:

I've generally felt baseball could use some modernizing and I want games sped up but a clock seems stupid.

I agree on the clock. We don't need pitchers hurrying to get a pitch off with one second on the clock. There are other ways to speed up the game.

One of the biggest time killers is all the pitching changes the last several innings of games. Need to speed up that process, also possibly find a way to limit the number of pitching changes per inning, or each pitcher has to face more than one batter, something along those lines. The highly specialized bullpens where guys come in for one batter and then exit multiple times in the same inning eats up a lot of time.

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They've been managing this clock in the minors for several years now. I just don't think it's going to be a big deal.
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DannyDuberstein said:

They've been managing this clock in the minors for several years now. I just don't think it's going to be a big deal.
And in college baseball too.
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Am I the only one who doesn't really care about speeding up the game? I love it how it is and I don't think that shortening the average game by 10 or 15 minutes is going to bring young fans flooding back to the game. If anything it's more likely that time saved during innings just ends up being reallocated to commercials between innings. The NFL is already more commercials than action and it's coming back to bite them in the ass. I'd rather see a pitcher throw over to first 3 times in a row and get a visit from the catcher then see another ****ing sonic commercial.
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I love the game but it would be nice for the games to be quicker.

I don't think this by itself will get people to flood to the game, but it's a step in the right direction. They'll need to do a lot of things to see a huge boost in fan support.

(I don't think MLB has a popularity "problem" but it's certainly true the younger crowd seems to be putting more of their focus elsewhere.)
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The average time for a MLB game rose to 3:05 last year - record-setting length. That's up 5 minutes from the year before in spite of the # of replay reviews decreasing from the previous year.

The minor leagues that implemented the pitch clock saw a 12 minute reduction. When you're talking about 3 hours being way too long for a game, and 2:30-2:40 being a more ideal target, then one change that drives a 12 minute reduction would be very significant. That's nearly half of what you're trying to accomplish. Will it drive people to the game in droves? No. But I do think there is a sizeable difference in a 2:45 game vs. a 3:05 or 3:10 game.
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another option...

require any pitcher that enters the game to face a minimum of 2 batters of record (instead of just one). Unless the end of the inning comes first.

so the left-handed specialist cannot be taken out after his one lefty batter
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I think this jacks with the actual game too much. I think there is a ton of time available to be cut between pitches and between pitchers without really impacting the game, before you have to consider changes that impact how a team would execute a game. And again, I'm relying on the fact that the pitch clock change seems to have been a non-event for the minors and college.

Before doing that, I'd want to see the impact of eliminating the manager's 2 strolls to the mound that go with that one batter lefty specialist (ie 2-3 total mound visits per game, pitch changes from top step)
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