***** Official Houston Astros 2017 Season Thread *****

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More insight into the wildness of Game 5

Snippets from this piece at fangraphs

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The Astros hit five home runs. In a game a started by Clayton Kershaw and finished by Kenley Jansen, that's remarkable. What's not just remarkable but also improbable, is that Houston batters swung and missed just 13 times in the process against 194 pitches faced. So while a lot of talk is going to focus on a juiced and perhaps slipperier ball, let's also give the Astros some credit. It's this blend of power and contact that's allowed the club to field one of the great offenses of all time, trailing only the 1927, 1930 ,and 1931 Yankees in wRC+ (121).

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As wild as Game 5 was, as slippery and juiced as the ball might be, let's appreciate how efficient, how powerful, this Astros' lineup is. It's historically good and it helped pave the way for an absurd and entertaining Sunday night.
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I don't even know why I came to work today. Family is in LA for the game. They are texting me updates, and I cannot think about anything else but the game tonight. Might call it a day after lunch and go pick up some bottles of champagne on the way home just in case.
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Just thought I'd point out this is freaking awesome. Out and about running errands and everyplace I stop the majority of the folks are wearing Astros gear. Babies up to old men and women sporting the blue and orange. So jacked for tonight's game
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Oh yeah, hope one of you mofos won a pair of Mattress Mack's tickets. I was so close to going out there this morning but ultimately decided I'd rather spend trick or treating with my kids. Plus it'll be fun to watch the game with them as suddenly they will come down with a 24 virus and won't be able to attend school tommorow.
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k20dub said:



"It's really strange," he said. "A lot of the action is coming from a big bettor all over town and all the bookmakers are talking about it."

"You mean the mattress king," I asked.

"Well, I can't really speculate, but"

Mattress Mack really is spreading cash all over town and, every time the books get some Dodgers money to balance out their rolls, it seems he's coming in and making the line go cuckoo.

But wait. As I was recording with Scooch, Darren Rovell of ESPN fame texted me with a link that read, "Here's something for your newsletter."

I clicked, and it was this gem from Rovell and ESPN's David Purdum, reporting that ticket brokers are unloading on the Astros, to hedge against any potential Game 7 losses. In total, they wrote, "there is more than $20 million in profits on the line in Game 6." Johnny Avello, bookmaker at The Wynn, said in the story that brokers have been betting $200,000-$300,000 on past games in the series. "And that's just me," he said. "I assume they are spreading it all over town."

So, aside from the game-clinching storylines, you have a whole lot of hedges to talk about with your friends. And, for the record, Scooch also noted that the bettors have been on the right side of every game so far in this series. And, tonight, they are on the Astros and ace Justin Verlander.


My buddy was in line behind Mattress Mack in one of the sports books in Vegas last Thursday (after game 2). He snapped a picture of Mack at the betting counter carrying a backpack. I couldn't believe that he doesn't solely use insurance to hedge. I guess he actually was betting on the games.
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You're an awesome dad
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Do you think if Yuli hit 3 HR's tonight the MVP presentation would be awkward?
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titanmaster_race said:

You're an awesome dad


Both of them (boy and a girl) are going as zombies. So naturally I went overboard with the face paint and makeup and have been watching Youtube videos on how to apply it so it looks good. Almost as excited for that as I am WS. Almost!
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Bassmaster said:

k20dub said:



"It's really strange," he said. "A lot of the action is coming from a big bettor all over town and all the bookmakers are talking about it."

"You mean the mattress king," I asked.

"Well, I can't really speculate, but"

Mattress Mack really is spreading cash all over town and, every time the books get some Dodgers money to balance out their rolls, it seems he's coming in and making the line go cuckoo.

But wait. As I was recording with Scooch, Darren Rovell of ESPN fame texted me with a link that read, "Here's something for your newsletter."

I clicked, and it was this gem from Rovell and ESPN's David Purdum, reporting that ticket brokers are unloading on the Astros, to hedge against any potential Game 7 losses. In total, they wrote, "there is more than $20 million in profits on the line in Game 6." Johnny Avello, bookmaker at The Wynn, said in the story that brokers have been betting $200,000-$300,000 on past games in the series. "And that's just me," he said. "I assume they are spreading it all over town."

So, aside from the game-clinching storylines, you have a whole lot of hedges to talk about with your friends. And, for the record, Scooch also noted that the bettors have been on the right side of every game so far in this series. And, tonight, they are on the Astros and ace Justin Verlander.


My buddy was in line behind Mattress Mack in one of the sports books in Vegas last Thursday (after game 2). He snapped a picture of Mack at the betting counter carrying a backpack. I couldn't believe that he doesn't solely use insurance to hedge. I guess he actually was betting on the games.

Specialty insurance is going to be under-written at a huge premium, as there is no pool over which to spread risk and outcomes. Casinos will be the more efficient method, as they are balancing risk by moving the lines and have much more information than an insurance underwriter will. Under the right circumstances, you can leverage with betting more efficiently than with insurance.

Now though? Unlikely. I think these are just real bets he is making. The ticket brokers are the real hedges.

Futures bets at the Casino when we were opening the season at 12-to-1 (+1200) would have been cheaper than any insurance policy he could buy. Even the 9-to-2 (+450) odds at the start of the playoffs might have been better than insurance. Not now though.
Joe West is a fat piece of **** and a waste of oxygen.
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Hey Nuke, you call Minute Maid yet about potentially using their can for a few hours tonight?
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GAAHHHHRBRBJHABRHBAHRBAHR
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Buck Compton said:

Bassmaster said:

k20dub said:



"It's really strange," he said. "A lot of the action is coming from a big bettor all over town and all the bookmakers are talking about it."

"You mean the mattress king," I asked.

"Well, I can't really speculate, but"

Mattress Mack really is spreading cash all over town and, every time the books get some Dodgers money to balance out their rolls, it seems he's coming in and making the line go cuckoo.

But wait. As I was recording with Scooch, Darren Rovell of ESPN fame texted me with a link that read, "Here's something for your newsletter."

I clicked, and it was this gem from Rovell and ESPN's David Purdum, reporting that ticket brokers are unloading on the Astros, to hedge against any potential Game 7 losses. In total, they wrote, "there is more than $20 million in profits on the line in Game 6." Johnny Avello, bookmaker at The Wynn, said in the story that brokers have been betting $200,000-$300,000 on past games in the series. "And that's just me," he said. "I assume they are spreading it all over town."

So, aside from the game-clinching storylines, you have a whole lot of hedges to talk about with your friends. And, for the record, Scooch also noted that the bettors have been on the right side of every game so far in this series. And, tonight, they are on the Astros and ace Justin Verlander.


My buddy was in line behind Mattress Mack in one of the sports books in Vegas last Thursday (after game 2). He snapped a picture of Mack at the betting counter carrying a backpack. I couldn't believe that he doesn't solely use insurance to hedge. I guess he actually was betting on the games.

Specialty insurance is going to be under-written at a huge premium, as there is no pool over which to spread risk and outcomes. Casinos will be the more efficient method, as they are balancing risk by moving the lines and have much more information than an insurance underwriter will. Under the right circumstances, you can leverage with betting more efficiently than with insurance.

Now though? Unlikely. I think these are just real bets he is making. The ticket brokers are the real hedges.

Futures bets at the Casino when we were opening the season at 12-to-1 (+1200) would have been cheaper than any insurance policy he could buy. Even the 9-to-2 (+450) odds at the start of the playoffs might have been better than insurance. Not now though.

Not a gambler, so could you translate all of this into English?
ArticPenguin:
I am a middle aged lesbian with two children. In Texas, the GOP would love to claim I am an unfit parent and take my children.

Response when pressed for proof:
I actually have 6 links, and was getting super pissed the more info I looked up...So, look it up yourself, I am not going to fight about something I know to be true, to a person who would just as soon see me in prison or dead.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2948036/replies/51680255
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aTm2004 said:

Buck Compton said:

Bassmaster said:

k20dub said:



"It's really strange," he said. "A lot of the action is coming from a big bettor all over town and all the bookmakers are talking about it."

"You mean the mattress king," I asked.

"Well, I can't really speculate, but"

Mattress Mack really is spreading cash all over town and, every time the books get some Dodgers money to balance out their rolls, it seems he's coming in and making the line go cuckoo.

But wait. As I was recording with Scooch, Darren Rovell of ESPN fame texted me with a link that read, "Here's something for your newsletter."

I clicked, and it was this gem from Rovell and ESPN's David Purdum, reporting that ticket brokers are unloading on the Astros, to hedge against any potential Game 7 losses. In total, they wrote, "there is more than $20 million in profits on the line in Game 6." Johnny Avello, bookmaker at The Wynn, said in the story that brokers have been betting $200,000-$300,000 on past games in the series. "And that's just me," he said. "I assume they are spreading it all over town."

So, aside from the game-clinching storylines, you have a whole lot of hedges to talk about with your friends. And, for the record, Scooch also noted that the bettors have been on the right side of every game so far in this series. And, tonight, they are on the Astros and ace Justin Verlander.


My buddy was in line behind Mattress Mack in one of the sports books in Vegas last Thursday (after game 2). He snapped a picture of Mack at the betting counter carrying a backpack. I couldn't believe that he doesn't solely use insurance to hedge. I guess he actually was betting on the games.

Specialty insurance is going to be under-written at a huge premium, as there is no pool over which to spread risk and outcomes. Casinos will be the more efficient method, as they are balancing risk by moving the lines and have much more information than an insurance underwriter will. Under the right circumstances, you can leverage with betting more efficiently than with insurance.

Now though? Unlikely. I think these are just real bets he is making. The ticket brokers are the real hedges.

Futures bets at the Casino when we were opening the season at 12-to-1 (+1200) would have been cheaper than any insurance policy he could buy. Even the 9-to-2 (+450) odds at the start of the playoffs might have been better than insurance. Not now though.

Not a gambler, so could you translate all of this into English?
Mack betting a whole lot of money cause tonight after the bottom of the ninth he is gonna be do a lot of refunds. (other than that I have no clue what it means)
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Yeah, kind of got that. So, he's hoping to win his losses via betting, or potentially losing just as much by losing the bet? And this is causing havoc in Vegas?
ArticPenguin:
I am a middle aged lesbian with two children. In Texas, the GOP would love to claim I am an unfit parent and take my children.

Response when pressed for proof:
I actually have 6 links, and was getting super pissed the more info I looked up...So, look it up yourself, I am not going to fight about something I know to be true, to a person who would just as soon see me in prison or dead.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2948036/replies/51680255
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aTm2004 said:

Yeah, kind of got that. So, he's hoping to win his losses via betting, or potentially losing just as much by losing the bet? And this is causing havoc in Vegas?
If a lot of money is put on one side of a bet, the line will move.

Let's just say Mack made 10,000,000 (made up # for this example) in revenue from his furniture sale. It will be all refunded plus if the Astros win.

He then makes a wager to win 10,000,000 on the Astros.

He's then covered either regardless of the outcome and got a whole lot of free pub that in the end might not cost him anything.
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if the Astros win the title tonight or tomorrow...the franchise should never ever never change its colors or logo again. Stay with the current one for the rest of time
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Where is Carlos Beltran?
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So what happens if they lose...hypothetically speaking of course.

He keeps his $10mm from sales and loses it on the bet, this a net zero?
ArticPenguin:
I am a middle aged lesbian with two children. In Texas, the GOP would love to claim I am an unfit parent and take my children.

Response when pressed for proof:
I actually have 6 links, and was getting super pissed the more info I looked up...So, look it up yourself, I am not going to fight about something I know to be true, to a person who would just as soon see me in prison or dead.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2948036/replies/51680255
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Farmer1906 said:

aTm2004 said:

Yeah, kind of got that. So, he's hoping to win his losses via betting, or potentially losing just as much by losing the bet? And this is causing havoc in Vegas?
If a lot of money is put on one side of a bet, the line will move.

Let's just say Mack made 10,000,000 (made up # for this example) in revenue from his furniture sale. It will be all refunded plus if the Astros win.

He then makes a wager to win 10,000,000 on the Dodgers.

He's then covered either regardless of the outcome and got a whole lot of free pub that in the end might not cost him anything.
Except hes making the wager on the Astros so his two options are:

1) Win lots of money from his bet on the Astros if we win the WS, but lose on giving out free furniture
2) Make lots of money from selling furniture, but lose the bet

Either way hes break even... but with lots of free pub and good love for Houston
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aTm2004 said:

So what happens if they lose...hypothetically speaking of course.

He keeps his $10mm from sales and loses it on the bet, this a net zero?
Yes
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W said:

if the Astros win the title tonight or tomorrow...the franchise should never ever never change its colors or logo again. Stay with the current one for the rest of time


They should do this anyways....forever.
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BBatt2006 said:

Where is Carlos Beltran?



Right next to Alex Cora leading this team from the dugout and preparing for his job as bench coach.

Beltran has been instrumental to this team.
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I know where he is literally just surprised we havent seen him in this series.
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Thanks
ArticPenguin:
I am a middle aged lesbian with two children. In Texas, the GOP would love to claim I am an unfit parent and take my children.

Response when pressed for proof:
I actually have 6 links, and was getting super pissed the more info I looked up...So, look it up yourself, I am not going to fight about something I know to be true, to a person who would just as soon see me in prison or dead.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2948036/replies/51680255
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W said:

if the Astros win the title tonight or tomorrow...the franchise should never ever never change its colors or logo again. Stay with the current one for the rest of time


This x 1000 and whatever you do don't let the owners wife design a new uniform after winning just to sell a few more while killing a winning brand.
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decent chance he gets to pinch hit tonight (with the lack of the DH)
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aTm2004 said:

Buck Compton said:

Bassmaster said:

k20dub said:



"It's really strange," he said. "A lot of the action is coming from a big bettor all over town and all the bookmakers are talking about it."

"You mean the mattress king," I asked.

"Well, I can't really speculate, but"

Mattress Mack really is spreading cash all over town and, every time the books get some Dodgers money to balance out their rolls, it seems he's coming in and making the line go cuckoo.

But wait. As I was recording with Scooch, Darren Rovell of ESPN fame texted me with a link that read, "Here's something for your newsletter."

I clicked, and it was this gem from Rovell and ESPN's David Purdum, reporting that ticket brokers are unloading on the Astros, to hedge against any potential Game 7 losses. In total, they wrote, "there is more than $20 million in profits on the line in Game 6." Johnny Avello, bookmaker at The Wynn, said in the story that brokers have been betting $200,000-$300,000 on past games in the series. "And that's just me," he said. "I assume they are spreading it all over town."

So, aside from the game-clinching storylines, you have a whole lot of hedges to talk about with your friends. And, for the record, Scooch also noted that the bettors have been on the right side of every game so far in this series. And, tonight, they are on the Astros and ace Justin Verlander.


My buddy was in line behind Mattress Mack in one of the sports books in Vegas last Thursday (after game 2). He snapped a picture of Mack at the betting counter carrying a backpack. I couldn't believe that he doesn't solely use insurance to hedge. I guess he actually was betting on the games.

Specialty insurance is going to be under-written at a huge premium, as there is no pool over which to spread risk and outcomes. Casinos will be the more efficient method, as they are balancing risk by moving the lines and have much more information than an insurance underwriter will. Under the right circumstances, you can leverage with betting more efficiently than with insurance.

Now though? Unlikely. I think these are just real bets he is making. The ticket brokers are the real hedges.

Futures bets at the Casino when we were opening the season at 12-to-1 (+1200) would have been cheaper than any insurance policy he could buy. Even the 9-to-2 (+450) odds at the start of the playoffs might have been better than insurance. Not now though.

Not a gambler, so could you translate all of this into English?
The people writing the article were incorrect about Mattress Mack's motives on recent bets. I'll break it all down.

He announced at the beginning of the season that if the Astros win the WS, that he would refund purchase prices for anyone that bought during a period of time at the beginning of the season.

Let's say that creates a potential liability of $1MM (he sold $1MM in furniture that is at risk). As a smart guy, he wants to find a way to pass that risk off to others. If he increases his bottom line by more than the cost to pass this risk-off, it's a winning strategy.
  • At that time, he could have gone to Vegas and placed bets that paid out $12 for every $1 wagered that the Astros would win the WS. This means to cover a potential liability of $1MM, he would need to wager $76,923.08 (7.7% of the liabiilty) on the Astros without changing the odds.
  • Astros win the WS: He gets his original bet back, along with 12 times the bet amount. Then uses that money to refund the purchases
  • Astros lose the WS: He loses the bet amount, but doesn't have to refund any purchases
OR
  • To hedge that $1MM liability today, he would need bet $1.75MM
  • Astros Win: he wins the $1MM, then refunds purchases
  • Astros lose the WS: He loses the $1.75MM, which is more than the original liability - no reason to hedge

Now that the event is much closer, and the Astros odds are much better, he would have to wager much more money to hedge any liability, making it useless.

Insurance that has to be underwritten for him, purely for this event, would likely cost more than 7.7% back in May. If he is hedging at current odds, he is an idiot. Any bets he places are just that - bets.
Joe West is a fat piece of **** and a waste of oxygen.
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^
Insert thumbs up there

Got it.
ArticPenguin:
I am a middle aged lesbian with two children. In Texas, the GOP would love to claim I am an unfit parent and take my children.

Response when pressed for proof:
I actually have 6 links, and was getting super pissed the more info I looked up...So, look it up yourself, I am not going to fight about something I know to be true, to a person who would just as soon see me in prison or dead.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2948036/replies/51680255
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Go to Vegas Insider and look at the line movements. People lost their minds after 7pm last night.
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I've turned on ESPN several times this morning because mlb network has been on rerun and not once have they discussed the WS. Outside the Lines started with their "big story" Zeke Elliot's suspension.
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maca1028 said:

I've turned on ESPN several times this morning because mlb network has been on rerun and not once have they discussed the WS. Outside the Lines started with their "big story" Zeke Elliot's suspension.
ESPN doesn't give a rat's ass about postseason baseball.

EDIT: and shame on you for watching anything but live sporting events on that channel.
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because it's not on their network
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maca1028 said:

I've turned on ESPN several times this morning because mlb network has been on rerun and not once have they discussed the WS. Outside the Lines started with their "big story" Zeke Elliot's suspension.
I listened to the around the horn segment yesterday. If anyone is in the mood to get all pissed off, watch the part where they are talking about game 5. I kid you not, the entire panel talked about how LA lost the game and gave absolutely zero credit to the Astros. Tony Reali took points away from everyone because nobody gave the Astros credit and they STILL didn't give us an ounce of love. THEN they proceeded to talk about how ridiculous is was the Yuli was not suspended for the World Series. I mean my god that network has become pure and utter trash.
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