Astros or Rangers: Convince Me

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Frok said:

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I think I found an easy way to resolve this for the OP. When someone thinks of the state of Texas and baseball, historically, what player most often comes to mind? I think we could all agree that Nolan Ryan fits that bill.

So, let's just use the Nolan Ryan test. What team did he choose for his HOF plaque?




Nolan Ryan currently "works" for the Astros because the Rangers management drove him out of Arlington.
But, when he had a choice to make, what hat did he go with?
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Nolan was still pissed at the Astros management at the time of his induction. Houston royally screwed up on his contract etc. He's from the Houston area and no doubt in my mind loves the Astros
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Well.....at least Nolan got to be on a playoff team in Houston.

Just adding this picture because I think it's cool.

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This image is even cooler...

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Mr.Bond said:

Nolan was still pissed at the Astros management at the time of his induction. Houston royally screwed up on his contract etc. He's from the Houston area and no doubt in my mind loves the Astros
No doubt in my mind he loves both the Astros and Rangers. But he could only pick one hat for his plaque.
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As said before he picked texas out of spite, not want
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Mr.Bond said:

As said before he picked texas out of spite, not want
If that's what you have to tell yourself, fine. Doesn't matter. Still sporting that 'T'.

Or to tweak the "don't care. Beat Bama" mantra a few years ago...don't care. Went in as a Ranger.
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Are you able to watch both on TV? If so, listen to a couple of broadcasts to see which announcers you can stand listening to for 3 hours. And Julia is better looking than anything the Rangers throw out there.
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3B Paul 97 said:

Are you able to watch both on TV? If so, listen to a couple of broadcasts to see which announcers you can stand listening to for 3 hours. And Julia is better looking than anything the Rangers throw out there.
Julia?
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Does anyone really give a **** which team the guy follows? It's a sad trash talk thread and nothing more. All the predictable dbags are here with all their predictable dbag responses.

Watch both teams and pick the one you like. If it's for any other reason than something you come up with on your own, you're doing it wrong.
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Why is anyone responding to this troll?
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OMG!!! Guys, we're on a message board devoted to MLB but we canNOT talk about baseball. Riffs and DP have said it to be so.
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MooreTrucker said:

This image is even cooler...




I have to admit, that one is cooler.
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Duck Patrol said:

Why is anyone responding to this troll?
I'm not a troll lol. I'm genuinely interested in what they have to say
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You know what...... As a die hard Astros I say go join the Rangers bandwagon. Have fun
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Mr.Bond said:

You know what...... As a die hard Astros I say go join the Rangers bandwagon. Have fun
As a die hard Rangers fan, I will second this message.
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We don't want/need snowflake fans.... Or spurs fans
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Funny, it always seems to me that the Astros fans are the snowflakes. Getting triggered so easily when the Rangers are mentioned.
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We're a blue collar town..... **** like that does the bother us.
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Mr.Bond said:

We're a blue collar town.


Not really.
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Yes really
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MooreTrucker said:

OMG!!! Guys, we're on a message board devoted to MLB but we canNOT talk about baseball. Riffs and DP have said it to be so.
That's not at all what I said.
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It's as simple as this, if you want to get in on a young team that the core will be around for at least 5 more years and likely more since I think at least 2 of the core will be extended, then jump on with us Astros fans.

If you want to join the team that has had the most recent success, but the window is closing, then join the Rangers.

The trajectories of the 2 teams over the next 5+ years is completely different.
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MooreTrucker said:

Funny, it always seems to me that the Astros fans are the snowflakes. Getting triggered so easily when the Rangers are mentioned.
Aren't they the ones that scream bloody murder any time a Rangers fan ventures over to their thread, to the point that the mods have had to make a special Astros-only policy on that thread?
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ClickClack said:

Mr.Bond said:

We're a blue collar town.


Not really.
As someone that lives in Houston, to call this place "blue collar" is hilarious.
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Yep. They come to the Rangers thread and piss all over it, but if a Rangers fan does the same thing, they get banned.
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irish pete ag06 said:

It's as simple as this, if you want to get in on a young team that the core will be around for at least 5 more years and likely more since I think at least 2 of the core will be extended, then jump on with us Astros fans.

If you want to join the team that has had the most recent success, but the window is closing, then join the Rangers.

The trajectories of the 2 teams over the next 5+ years is completely different.
This probably isn't far off, although I think Astros fans underestimate the Rangers FO when it comes to the "window". This year will be key in projecting though. If the Rangers are out of the race by the deadline, they will easily be able to restock real fast. Simply trading Hamels, Yu and Lucroy would bring enough return that that window all of a sudden gets extended big time.
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RetiredAg said:

irish pete ag06 said:

It's as simple as this, if you want to get in on a young team that the core will be around for at least 5 more years and likely more since I think at least 2 of the core will be extended, then jump on with us Astros fans.

If you want to join the team that has had the most recent success, but the window is closing, then join the Rangers.

The trajectories of the 2 teams over the next 5+ years is completely different.
This probably isn't far off, although I think Astros fans underestimate the Rangers FO when it comes to the "window". This year will be key in projecting though. If the Rangers are out of the race by the deadline, they will easily be able to restock real fast. Simply trading Hamels, Yu and Lucroy would bring enough return that that window all of a sudden gets extended big time.
Not to get into a massive trade discussion here, but Yu and Cole will not bring anywhere near what a Sale type guy brings.

Yu will be a rental.
Cole will not net a massive amount unless the Rangers eat a lot of salary.
Lucroy will get you a decent return (similar to what the Rangers gave up).

Now, if the Rangers are willing to part with some cost controlled talent like Odor or Mazara, then those guys will bring back a massive haul... but that would slam the window shut and be Astros style tanking, amirite?
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If you want to join the team that has had the most recent success, but the window is closing, then join the Rangers.

Teams with good front offices and hefty payrolls don't have "windows".

This applies to the Astros as well as long as they open up their checkbook. This isn't the NFL or NBA with salary caps -- if you draft competently and spend on free agents competently then you can be successful long-term.

Texas' window supposedly closed after 2011... Yet here they are back-to-back division champions.
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irish pete ag06 said:

RetiredAg said:

irish pete ag06 said:

It's as simple as this, if you want to get in on a young team that the core will be around for at least 5 more years and likely more since I think at least 2 of the core will be extended, then jump on with us Astros fans.

If you want to join the team that has had the most recent success, but the window is closing, then join the Rangers.

The trajectories of the 2 teams over the next 5+ years is completely different.
This probably isn't far off, although I think Astros fans underestimate the Rangers FO when it comes to the "window". This year will be key in projecting though. If the Rangers are out of the race by the deadline, they will easily be able to restock real fast. Simply trading Hamels, Yu and Lucroy would bring enough return that that window all of a sudden gets extended big time.
Not to get into a massive trade discussion here, but Yu and Cole will not bring anywhere near what a Sale type guy brings.

Yu will be a rental.
Cole will not net a massive amount unless the Rangers eat a lot of salary.
Lucroy will get you a decent return (similar to what the Rangers gave up).

Now, if the Rangers are willing to part with some cost controlled talent like Odor or Mazara, then those guys will bring back a massive haul... but that would slam the window shut and be Astros style tanking, amirite?
They won't bring a Sale-type haul, but let's not underestimate how desperate teams can get at the trade deadline, especially when you have legitimate aces to dangle as trade bait. Yu, Hamels and Lucroy would bring a significant haul that would restock their system.

The point is the Rangers won't need to come close to doing a complete tear down & rebuild. They have enough coveted assets to quickly shift focus from this year to the next 5-8 years. It certainly wouldn't require an Astros-style tanking. This FO has too good of a track record to think that a complete tear down would be necessary.
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Ranger fans already talking trade deadline deals and trade bait candidates during ST.
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Ag_07 said:

Ranger fans already talking trade deadline deals and trade bait candidates during ST.
Context, context, context. The discussion was with regards to the "window". Astros fans assume the Rangers' window is closing. Of course, they seem to have been assuming that for years now. I was just explaining why the window isn't closing. Do I think we'll be sellers at the deadline? No. Is it possible? Of course. Anything is possible.
 
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