***** Official 2017 Astros Off Season Thread *****

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CSWendt
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:35a, 3/27/17
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His power seemed to be on display at the WBC, however. Hopefully that translates to this season.
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In reply to CSWendt • 10:04a, 3/27/17
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CSWendt said:
His power seemed to be on display at the WBC, however. Hopefully that translates to this season.
I agree. That was really good to see actually.

Relevant to our discussion. My online buddy Chris Perry makes a case for why George Springer could be an MVP candidate. It's hard to argue with him.


He's entering his prime.
He's got power.
He's got speed.
His K and BB rates moved into the right direction last year.
He's plus plus defender.
If he has an aberration BABIP year like Jonathan Villar had last year, then I think he could be a 6-7 WAR player.

Bad thing is he plays in the same league and division as Trout.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2017/3/24/15049030/george-springer-the-astros-underrated-super-star
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 10:36a, 3/27/17
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The tools are there for George. He's just got to do a better job of making consistent contact. Can't win MVP being a .260 hitter. Needs to hit at least .300 which seems like it is out of George's range.
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10:42a, 3/27/17
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MVP seems very farfetched even with some key improvements. However, I do agree he's in his prime and trending the right way.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 10:56a, 3/27/17
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irish pete ag06 said:
Here's something that is just wild though. Yuli Gurriel, Brian McCann, and Evan Gattis will likely never hit above 7. That's just silly because what liitle I've seen of Gurriel in spring training makes me think that guy might be the 32 year old rookie of the year.

Yep.

He's been stroking it really well in ST (.333/.358/.549 and .908 OPS). The double he smoked into LF yesterday was a thing of beauty.
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11:41a, 3/27/17
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11:50a, 3/27/17
anyone in the clear lake area want to get together to watch the game on opening day?
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 12:11p, 3/27/17
completely ok with el oso blanco never hitting above 7
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In reply to titanmaster_race • 12:17p, 3/27/17
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titanmaster_race said:
completely ok with el oso blanco never hitting above 7
Don't be shocked if he finds his way back up. He had a good year last year and from Aug 3 until the end of the season he batted .295/.367/.595/.963.
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In reply to CorpsAg11 • 1:24p, 3/27/17
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Springer is not a good base runner though. There is a difference between being fast and being a good base runner. Bagwell was not fast but was a great base runner. I think that makes Altuve a better leadoff guy than Springer.
I do not have the saber stats in front of me, but I thought Altuve was actually considered a bad base runner last year because of all the outs he gets into from taking too many chances? I do not know where Springer rates, but I rememeber seeing some article that rated Altuve pretty low.
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In reply to CSWendt • 1:32p, 3/27/17
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CSWendt said:
The tools are there for George. He's just got to do a better job of making consistent contact. Can't win MVP being a .260 hitter. Needs to hit at least .300 which seems like it is out of George's range.
That's why CRPerry argues that if he has an unusually unsustainably high BABIP year, he will definitely be in the talk. George's BABIP in the majors so far has been .321. If he were to have a .350-.370 BABIP year (which with his speed and ISO and K rate trending in the right direction), he would put up a monster year. His career minor league BABIP was .379.

I got on Google Sheets to extrapolate last year's numbers to reflect higher BABIPs.

At .350 - .283/.381/.485
At .360 - .290/.387/.494
At .370 - .297/.393/.503
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3:49p, 3/27/17
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Collin making his spring debut tonight and it's on ROOT Sports @ 6:05
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4:02p, 3/27/17
Speaking of root, has anyone heard anything more about them having online streaming available for this season?
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4:27p, 3/27/17
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My DIRECTV has told me during games that I don't subscribe to the channel even though I can watch the pre and post games
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 5:08p, 3/27/17
Torchy's at MMP? Not bad.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 5:13p, 3/27/17
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Ag_07 said:
Collin making his spring debut tonight and it's on ROOT Sports @ 6:05
why are you posting eastern time?
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In reply to rosco511 • 5:14p, 3/27/17
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rosco511 said:
CorpsAg11 said:
Springer is not a good base runner though. There is a difference between being fast and being a good base runner. Bagwell was not fast but was a great base runner. I think that makes Altuve a better leadoff guy than Springer.
I do not have the saber stats in front of me, but I thought Altuve was actually considered a bad base runner last year because of all the outs he gets into from taking too many chances? I do not know where Springer rates, but I rememeber seeing some article that rated Altuve pretty low.

I looked at the metrics just now and you are right. Based on Fangraphs, Altuve is a below avg base runner (UBR = -1.1) but an above avg base stealer (wSB = 1.5) whereas George is an above avg base runner (UBR = 2.2) but a terrible base stealer (wSB = -2.8).

Basically Altuve gets picked off a lot and makes other mistakes on the base paths, but George gets caught stealing a lot.

Correa is the only Astro that is above avg in both of those metrics.
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5:19p, 3/27/17
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A lot of traffic on the base paths but Collin only allows 1 run.
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In reply to CorpsAg11 • 6:09p, 3/27/17
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Thanks. That is what I remembered about Altuve and interesting about Springer. My guess is that the base stealing metric might be the one for which significant improvement might be able to be made, especially for someone with speed like Springer. While base stealing requires instincts that in some situations cannot likely be taught, I think the heat of the moment general baserunning decision making is more instinctual and, therefore, more difficult to correct.
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In reply to shano0603 • 7:20p, 3/27/17
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Because that's what the Astros website said. I just assumed it was central.

I was pissed when I turned it on at 545 and it was the already into the 3rd.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 7:59p, 3/27/17
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Because that's what the Astros website said. I just assumed it was central.

I was pissed when I turned it on at 545 and it was the already into the 3rd.
U reed gud
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In reply to jbanda • 8:44a, 3/28/17
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jbanda said:
A lot of traffic on the base paths but Collin only allows 1 run.
Feel like I've heard that one before with Collin
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 8:47a, 3/28/17
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titanmaster_race said:
completely ok with el oso blanco never hitting above 7
Don't be shocked if he finds his way back up. He had a good year last year as a catcher


FIFY
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In reply to titanmaster_race • 9:13a, 3/28/17
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titanmaster_race said:
aggie1906 said:
titanmaster_race said:
completely ok with el oso blanco never hitting above 7
Don't be shocked if he finds his way back up. He had a good year last year as a catcher


FIFY


His DH numbers for the last six weeks or so were very good.
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11:18a, 3/28/17
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I am in full blown "cant think about anything but the Astros" mode. Best time of the year.

Lets go!!!!
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11:23a, 3/28/17
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:39a, 3/28/17
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Really? That's out of this world
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11:50a, 3/28/17
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So who will have the better career, Alex Bregman or Andrew Benintendi?

Benintendi is getting tons of hype right now. I thought it was a bit weird how he didn't go earlier in the first round (maybe right after Swanson and Bregman) after winning SEC PoTY that yr.
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In reply to shano0603 • 11:51a, 3/28/17
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shano0603 said:
Ag_07 said:
Really? That's out of this world
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11:54a, 3/28/17
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In reply to shano0603 • 11:55a, 3/28/17
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shano0603 said:
Ag_07 said:
Really? That's out of this world

Well since I thought he was relegated to MiL camp and been involved in trade talks lately I thought it was worth noting that he was with the team today. Traveling with them nonetheless.

My bad I guess
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:58a, 3/28/17
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Ag_07 said:
shano0603 said:
Ag_07 said:
Really? That's out of this world

Well since I thought he was relegated to MiL camp and been involved in trade talks lately I thought it was worth noting that he was with the team today. Traveling with them nonetheless.

My bad I guess
He was making a pun on the word "Jupiter"
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:58a, 3/28/17
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he was making a Jupiter dad joke...

relax brother
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In reply to CorpsAg11 • 12:03p, 3/28/17
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CorpsAg11 said:
So who will have the better career, Alex Bregman or Andrew Benintendi?

Benintendi is getting tons of hype right now. I thought it was a bit weird how he didn't go earlier in the first round (maybe right after Swanson and Bregman) after winning SEC PoTY that yr.

Bebintendi was the best player that year in the SEC, no doubt. I think they, Swanson too, can all have great careers.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:05p, 3/28/17
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aggie1906 said:
CorpsAg11 said:
So who will have the better career, Alex Bregman or Andrew Benintendi?

Benintendi is getting tons of hype right now. I thought it was a bit weird how he didn't go earlier in the first round (maybe right after Swanson and Bregman) after winning SEC PoTY that yr.

Bebintendi was the best player that year in the SEC, no doubt. I think they, Swanson too, can all have great careers.


The guy is a hell of a hitter no doubt
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