Rangers get the rat face discount. Wonder if there are teammate hand job incentives?astros4545 said:
Rangers sign Odor for 6 yrs 49.5 million
Friendly contract for both sides if only for the terror the rat face causes Houston
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Rat faced minor league who jacks dudes off or rat face major league player who bat flips singles?astros4545 said:
Rangers sign Odor for 6 yrs 49.5 million
Friendly contract for both sides if only for the terror the rat face causes Houston
He hit 11 points higher than 250 last year and 26 points higher the year before. He's dropped his K% every year. He showed he can stay healthy for an entire season and played in 162.CSWendt said:
I think we all see what Springer can do. Home run strikeout guy, hit .250. But correa has so much potential we haven't seen yet
Carlos, on the other hand, had a huge drop in power from his rookie year and saw his K% rise. I still think in the long run Carlos > George, but let's not write off one of our best players is all I'm saying.
Not writing him off at all. He is a very good player. But the potential of what Correa has is what makes him part of the best combos in a lineup. George is good, but he's nothing extraordinary out of the lead off spot of a lineup. But yes, I'm glad to have him still (although I think he is better suited as a 5 or 6 hole guy).
CSWendt said:
Not writing him off at all. He is a very good player. But the potential of what Correa has is what makes him part of the best combos in a lineup. George is good, but he's nothing extraordinary out of the lead off spot of a lineup. But yes, I'm glad to have him still (although I think he is better suited as a 5 or 6 hole guy).
I am curious why you think Springer is only an average lead off hitter. He had a .359 on base percentage last season, which was good for 42nd in the league, and although I have not looked for the exact figures yet, I would guess that would rank him in the top 1/3 of lead off hitters. OBP is one of the most important stats for a leadoff hitter, much more important than batting average, and then you also add in the fact that Springer has above average power, especially for a lead off hitter. I definitely consider him a good lead off hitter.
Because he has power as a leadoff hitter, is a fantastic example of why you don't want him in the leadoff spot
Also, George's stats in his career are identical whether batting leadoff or 2 hole
One interesting thing about George is he has more HRs in his career than doubles, Correa has more doubles in their career
Also, George's stats in his career are identical whether batting leadoff or 2 hole
One interesting thing about George is he has more HRs in his career than doubles, Correa has more doubles in their career
Didn't say he was only average. I just said he isn't extraordinary at lead off. I don't consider him an elite lead off hitter. Since we are discussing best batting order combinations, to put him in the discussion I'd want to see him as one of the best lead off hitters in the game. Which I do not.
George definitely has pop, but he chokes way too much in clutch situations
Said today on the pregame that Luhnow has notified Musgrove that not only did he make the team but he'll be the #4 starter and start that first Thursday of the season.
And Fiers will make 5th start with McHugh slowed
And it's looking like Peacock will make Opening day roster
And it's looking like Peacock will make Opening day roster
5-1 Astros in 4th inning against Gio Gonzalez
Homers from Marisnick and Marwin with a 2 run shot
I like this offense
Homers from Marisnick and Marwin with a 2 run shot
I like this offense
We have better arms than Peacock, but I'm guessing he'll just keep the seat warm until McHugh is ready.
Heading to H town on the Apr 7th weekend. Got my tickets for the 8th against KC! Can't wait!!! Should be Kuechel's 2nd start.
And Springer nails werth trying to get a double.
And Springer nails werth trying to get a double.
another blue star for springer this inning. hell of a play
Our lineup is legit murderer's row. Man, can you imagine how much better this will be for the pitcher's to get to pitch with some leads.
That's awesome. I like me some Joe Musgrove. I think he could end up being one of those guys overachieves his whole career and is never an ace, but is a workhorse that kind of flies under the radar his whole career and we end up looking back on saying damn he was pretty good.Ag_07 said:
Said today on the pregame that Luhnow has notified Musgrove that not only did he make the team but he'll be the #4 starter and start that first Thursday of the season.
Fangraphs 2017 Positional Power Rankings Series
C - 5th
1B - 16th
2B - 1st
3B - 10th
SS - 1st
LF - 23rd
CF - 5th
RF - 7th
DH - 9th
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-positional-power-rankings-introduction/
We pretty damn stacked.
C - 5th
1B - 16th
2B - 1st
3B - 10th
SS - 1st
LF - 23rd
CF - 5th
RF - 7th
DH - 9th
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-positional-power-rankings-introduction/
We pretty damn stacked.
But the only other legitimate lead off option at this point would be Altuve, and Altuve was best overall hitter on team and therefore better for the middle of order so not sure what is wrong with having Springer in the lead off spot. Springer is definitely in the top 1/3 lead off hitters in the game so maybe not elite but definitely good.
Why is Altuve the only other option? Bregman seems like a reasonable choice. And at this point Correa would make more sense than Altuve.
Because of speed and proven on base percentage production.
Bregman & Correa aren't slow. Plus Tuve hits for more power as of last year. He's ideal for 3 or 4 hole.rosco511 said:
Because of speed and proven on base percentage production.
Pre 2016 Altuve made sense leading off. The near MVP of last year does not.
I agree about Altuve, so that is why I think Springer is the better option over Correa and Bregman. Neither of them have Springer's speed and Springer has a proven on base percentage track record and I believe Correa is the better overall hitter over Springer so prefer Correa in the clean up spot.
I think Bregman and Altuve should be in 1/2 holes
Springer and Correa will in all likelihood hit more homers than each of them
Springer and Correa will in all likelihood hit more homers than each of them
My ideal order, based on power and OBP, would be
1) Altuve
2) Springer
3) Correa
4) Beltran
5) Bregman
I really prefer Altuve at leadoff, but for whatever reason the lineup worked way better last yr w/ Springer at leadoff and Altuve in the 3 hole
So i can't argue w/ that lineup.
1) Altuve
2) Springer
3) Correa
4) Beltran
5) Bregman
I really prefer Altuve at leadoff, but for whatever reason the lineup worked way better last yr w/ Springer at leadoff and Altuve in the 3 hole
So i can't argue w/ that lineup.
I think we're going to see that this lineup is going to be different damn near every night.
The flexibility we have is ridiculous with Beltran (DH/LF), McCann (C/DH/1B?), Gattis (C/DH), Gurriel (3B/1B/LF), Bregman (3B/SS/LF).
Lots of guys that can fit in lots of different positions. Not sure if that's such a good thing, but I expect to see tons of different lineups.
The flexibility we have is ridiculous with Beltran (DH/LF), McCann (C/DH/1B?), Gattis (C/DH), Gurriel (3B/1B/LF), Bregman (3B/SS/LF).
Lots of guys that can fit in lots of different positions. Not sure if that's such a good thing, but I expect to see tons of different lineups.
And we have Hinch...so yeah that means we will basically have a different lineup each nightAg_07 said:
I think we're going to see that this lineup is going to be different damn near every night.
The flexibility we have is ridiculous with Beltran (DH/LF), McCann (C/DH/1B?), Gattis (C/DH), Gurriel (3B/1B/LF), Bregman (3B/SS/LF).
Lots of guys that can fit in lots of different positions. Not sure if that's such a good thing, but I expect to see tons of different lineups.
(Not saying this is a bad thing, just that he always is tinkering with things)
I don't know if there will be as much tinkering this year. I bet the lineup is more set than usual as long as no one absolutely slumps horrifically.
I like Springer as a leadoff hitter. He walks the most out of all the guys in the lineup outside of Correa. I want our best hitter in the 3 hole, but I want our next best hitter/obp guy in the 2 hole. 4 and 5 should be your next best 2 sluggers. I really like the lineup the way it is, if Correa can see an uptick in slugging this year from last.
1. Springer
2. Bregman (I think he'll walk a lot more this year, and I think he may be the 3rd/4th best hitter on the team when it's all said and done)
3. Altuve
4. Correa
5. Beltran
The rest.
The only thing I would maybe tinker with is batting Beltran or Reddick (vs RHP only) 2nd to break up the right handed monopoly at the top of the order.
So ...
Vs RHP
1. Springer
2. Reddick
3. Altuve
4. Correa
5. Beltran
6. Bregman
I like Springer as a leadoff hitter. He walks the most out of all the guys in the lineup outside of Correa. I want our best hitter in the 3 hole, but I want our next best hitter/obp guy in the 2 hole. 4 and 5 should be your next best 2 sluggers. I really like the lineup the way it is, if Correa can see an uptick in slugging this year from last.
1. Springer
2. Bregman (I think he'll walk a lot more this year, and I think he may be the 3rd/4th best hitter on the team when it's all said and done)
3. Altuve
4. Correa
5. Beltran
The rest.
The only thing I would maybe tinker with is batting Beltran or Reddick (vs RHP only) 2nd to break up the right handed monopoly at the top of the order.
So ...
Vs RHP
1. Springer
2. Reddick
3. Altuve
4. Correa
5. Beltran
6. Bregman
Springer is not a good base runner though. There is a difference between being fast and being a good base runner. Bagwell was not fast but was a great base runner. I think that makes Altuve a better leadoff guy than Springer.
That's actually a very good point, that's backed up by some saber base running stats. In that case, I wonder if Correa would be our best leadoff candidate. I checked contact rates to see how much better Correa was at contact over Springer (thinking you would want a higher contact/power guy in the 4 hole and Correa was only 3% better in 2016).CorpsAg11 said:
Springer is not a good base runner though. There is a difference between being fast and being a good base runner. Bagwell was not fast but was a great base runner. I think that makes Altuve a better leadoff guy than Springer.
So, now I think we should switch Correa and Springer at 1 and 4.
Altuve is the best guy for any position in the lineup because he does everything well. He is far too valuable not to have in 3/4 slot. You ideal guy leading off is someone who gets on base, but doesn't hit for power because you want your power guys hitting with men on base. I've seen the calculation of OPB - ISO used for determining leadoff. If you use that for last year's #s (didn't look at Aoki, Reddick, or Beltran) it would go like this.
Altuve
Kemp
Correa
Gurriel
Springer
As crazy as it sounds if Correa doesn't hit for more power this year, I move him to leadoff.
Edit: And pete beat me to the punch.
Altuve
Kemp
Correa
Gurriel
Springer
As crazy as it sounds if Correa doesn't hit for more power this year, I move him to leadoff.
Edit: And pete beat me to the punch.
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Why are people down on Correa's power?
I think 35 homers this year
I think 35 homers this year
His SLUG dropped 70 points from 15 to 16. He had over 200 more plate appearances in 16 than 15 yet he had fewer home runs.astros4545 said:
Why are people down on Correa's power?
I think 35 homers this year
I'm not saying the home run power is not going to come, but it may not be there yet.
Here's something that is just wild though. Yuli Gurriel, Brian McCann, and Evan Gattis will likely never hit above 7. That's just silly because what liitle I've seen of Gurriel in spring training makes me think that guy might be the 32 year old rookie of the year.
SOPHMORE SLUMP....