Man I really loved Sengun in that 2021 draft. Spurs going Primo instead hurt my heart.

To be fair, after his rookie year I thought Primo had a chance to be really good as a 6'7" PG. And Sengun grew a couple inches and became a much better defender partially because of that. He was terrible on defense in Turkey.

Plus, obviously there is a really good chance we don't have Wemby if we took Sengun. All of the sliding doors can't be calculated.

Still, I hate he's on the Rockets and is one of the most unique players in the league.

Significant financial implications with Evan Mobley being named DPOY. pic.twitter.com/DPkz921bIP

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) April 24, 2025

Obviously to get under the tax, They should trade Mobley for Devin vassell and Keldon Johnson. Act quick before I change my mind

The rockets warriors series has been some of the most unwatchable basketball. No flow, just beating the **** out of each other, ref reviews every other possession. Just brutal.

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The rockets warriors series has been some of the most unwatchable basketball. No flow, just beating the **** out of each other, ref reviews every other possession. Just brutal.

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You think their team is brutal, You should see their fans.

They really need to cash in everything to go after Giannis or Booker

We played great team defense but they don't have go-to player on offense at atheir

I love Mobley, almost a perfect fit for what we need, but is he a 60 million dollar player?

The league has clearly decided that you're really only allowed to have 2 max players on your team now, when 3 was kind of the norm for a while. Hypothetically this should bring parody to the league, but it makes roster building really hard, especially when your homegrown guys become eligible for their first extensions.

I have no idea what OKC is going to do when Jalen Williams and Chet Holmgren are ready to be extended. Long term they likely will have to trade one of them and keep trying to reload around SGA with young players.

OKC has set themselves up really well to be able to keep all three, in my opinion.

They have Caruso and Aaron Wiggins locked into 5 year contracts at reasonable rates, with Wiggins being one of the absolute best contracts in the league. They also have a treasure trove of first round picks to be able to supplement the loss of their other role players like Hartenstein and Dort (and Joe who they have a fourth year TO on) who roll off right when SGA will receive his supermax. They are perhaps the best set up to keep 3 stars out of any team.

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OKC has set themselves up really well to be able to keep all three, in my opinion.

They have Caruso and Aaron Wiggins locked into 5 year contracts at reasonable rates, with Wiggins being one of the absolute best contracts in the league. They also have a treasure trove of first round picks to be able to supplement the loss of their other role players like Hartenstein and Dort (and Joe who they have a fourth year TO on) who roll off right when SGA will receive his supermax. They are perhaps the best set up to keep 3 stars out of any team.

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Yea, I think this is right. They've got picks 15 and 24 in the upcoming draft (possibly pick 7 too if Philly gets bad lotto luck). Then they have another 3-4 firsts in the 2026 draft. They also have Topic (promising young Serbian PG) who should factor in next year as well and Ajay Mitchell.

I think Presti's goal will likely be to draft and develop guys to phase into the rotation around the Big 3 as Hart, Dort and a few others roll-off.

One interesting side storyline accompanying the Thunder's championship run this year is Chet and Jdub playing to prove they're worthy of lucrative/max-lite extensions. If the Thunder are going to stake their long term run to SGA-Jdub-Chet as the Big Three anchors, they'd prefer to have some assurance that those guys can get them to the finals (or win it).

If Jdub fizzles out and the Thunder lose in the second round like last year, I think some reasonable questions could be raised. Jdub has been great the last month or two and I'm not expecting that to happen. But it's something to watch.

But my inclination is that Presti will stay the course regardless of how far they get this year and play the long game. Jdub and Chet are still very young and it takes time to learn how to win in playoffs. Since most of the other elements of their long term build are in place, he can error on the side of giving each a lucrative extension and then see how the next 4-5 years go through SGA's prime.

One of the OGs says less than 2 weeks until we draw.

BACK TO BACK BABY

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I love Mobley, almost a perfect fit for what we need, but is he a 60 million dollar player?

The league has clearly decided that you're really only allowed to have 2 max players on your team now, when 3 was kind of the norm for a while. Hypothetically this should bring parody to the league, but it makes roster building really hard, especially when your homegrown guys become eligible for their first extensions.

I have no idea what OKC is going to do when Jalen Williams and Chet Holmgren are ready to be extended. Long term they likely will have to trade one of them and keep trying to reload around SGA with young players.

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I agree, Mobley is going to get way overpaid, but he is just 23. His contract is now a 30% instead a 25%, which is a pretty big deal.

OKC is in great shape next year, but the following year and year after are when things will get hectic.

I think Chet and JDub will get 25% maxes. That will be about 41M each. That year they have 4 RFAs and 4 team options, including Hartenstein and Dort. It's gonna take some moves to not be 2nd apron in 27.

The following year is when Shai can get 35%. Also, Hartenstein, Wallace and Dort will be up for an extension/FAs.

They are in a great position and their role players are on good contracts. I think they overpaid our boy Alex, but Wiggins, Joe, and Dort are super cheap.

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Castle got 92 of 100 first place votes. Blowout city.

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Castle got 92 of 100 first place votes. Blowout city.

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It is ridiculous that 8 people voted for Risacher or Wells. Of course, we know one was Tim Bonchemps, who didn't give Wemby a top 3 vote in DPOY last year.

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Castle got 92 of 100 first place votes. Blowout city.

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It is ridiculous that 8 people voted for Risacher or Wells. Of course, we know one was Tim Bonchemps, who didn't give Wemby a top 3 vote in DPOY last year.

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Castle received 92 of 100 first place votes. pic.twitter.com/mv3ZfhrtpE

— Dan Weiss (@DanWeissPBP) April 29, 2025

Some idiot voted Castle 3rd…

Rookie of the Year winners by team…

Takeaways? https://t.co/oVXqXYFwpC pic.twitter.com/DqBNQx06pU

— NBA University (@NBA_University) April 29, 2025

Spurs are the first franchise to have 4 ROY winners.

Will be 5 overall and 3 straight with Flagg next year.

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Significant financial implications with Evan Mobley being named DPOY. pic.twitter.com/DPkz921bIP

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) April 24, 2025

Obviously to get under the tax, They should trade Mobley for Devin vassell and Keldon Johnson. Act quick before I change my mind

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A savvy GM would convince Mobley to take less than the max.

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Significant financial implications with Evan Mobley being named DPOY. pic.twitter.com/DPkz921bIP

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) April 24, 2025

Obviously to get under the tax, They should trade Mobley for Devin vassell and Keldon Johnson. Act quick before I change my mind

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A savvy GM would convince Mobley to take less than the max.

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He already signed for the max last summer. As long as he didn't get MVP or DPOY, it's a 25% contract. But he got DPOY and so it jumped to 30% Max.

That ship sailed.

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I love Mobley, almost a perfect fit for what we need, but is he a 60 million dollar player?

The league has clearly decided that you're really only allowed to have 2 max players on your team now, when 3 was kind of the norm for a while. Hypothetically this should bring parody to the league, but it makes roster building really hard, especially when your homegrown guys become eligible for their first extensions.

I have no idea what OKC is going to do when Jalen Williams and Chet Holmgren are ready to be extended. Long term they likely will have to trade one of them and keep trying to reload around SGA with young players.

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I agree, Mobley is going to get way overpaid, but he is just 23. His contract is now a 30% instead a 25%, which is a pretty big deal.

OKC is in great shape next year, but the following year and year after are when things will get hectic.

I think Chet and JDub will get 25% maxes. That will be about 41M each. That year they have 4 RFAs and 4 team options, including Hartenstein and Dort. It's gonna take some moves to not be 2nd apron in 27.

The following year is when Shai can get 35%. Also, Hartenstein, Wallace and Dort will be up for an extension/FAs.

They are in a great position and their role players are on good contracts. I think they overpaid our boy Alex, but Wiggins, Joe, and Dort are super cheap.

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Come for the Castle congratulations. Stay for the in-depth Thunder cap analysis.

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Castle got 92 of 100 first place votes. Blowout city.

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It is ridiculous that 8 people voted for Risacher or Wells. Of course, we know one was Tim Bonchemps, who didn't give Wemby a top 3 vote in DPOY last year.

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Castle received 92 of 100 first place votes. pic.twitter.com/mv3ZfhrtpE

— Dan Weiss (@DanWeissPBP) April 29, 2025

Some idiot voted Castle 3rd…

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I'm sure it's that Bonchomps poser.

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Significant financial implications with Evan Mobley being named DPOY. pic.twitter.com/DPkz921bIP

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) April 24, 2025

Obviously to get under the tax, They should trade Mobley for Devin vassell and Keldon Johnson. Act quick before I change my mind

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A savvy GM would convince Mobley to take less than the max.

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He already signed for the max last summer. As long as he didn't get MVP or DPOY, it's a 25% contract. But he got DPOY and so it jumped to 30% Max.

That ship sailed.

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Does the dollar amount really change after signature?

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Significant financial implications with Evan Mobley being named DPOY. pic.twitter.com/DPkz921bIP

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) April 24, 2025

Obviously to get under the tax, They should trade Mobley for Devin vassell and Keldon Johnson. Act quick before I change my mind

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A savvy GM would convince Mobley to take less than the max.

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He already signed for the max last summer. As long as he didn't get MVP or DPOY, it's a 25% contract. But he got DPOY and so it jumped to 30% Max.

That ship sailed.

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Does the dollar amount really change after signature?

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Yep. He signed for the max contract, and if he meets certain performance achievements before it kicks in, it increases from 25% to 30%.

It's called the Derrick Rose Rule because Rose won MVP and was the first to qualify for it. That DPOY earned him an extra $45 million over the 4 years starting with an extra $8 million next year that Cleveland wasn't planning on

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Significant financial implications with Evan Mobley being named DPOY. pic.twitter.com/DPkz921bIP

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) April 24, 2025

Obviously to get under the tax, They should trade Mobley for Devin vassell and Keldon Johnson. Act quick before I change my mind

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A savvy GM would convince Mobley to take less than the max.

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He already signed for the max last summer. As long as he didn't get MVP or DPOY, it's a 25% contract. But he got DPOY and so it jumped to 30% Max.

That ship sailed.

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Does the dollar amount really change after signature?

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Yep. He signed for the max contract, and if he meets certain performance achievements before it kicks in, it increases from 25% to 30%.

It's called the Derrick Rose Rule because Rose won MVP and was the first to qualify for it. That DPOY earned him an extra $45 million over the 4 years starting with an extra $8 million next year that Cleveland wasn't planning on

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Yep, after a little research that nugget is clear. That clause isn't mandatory but it looks like the Cavs left it in for Mobley. They probably never dreamed he'd "earn" that. It took Wemby going down for him to get it.

Big picture, there are a lot of guys who make an All NBA team who wouldn't have if everyone stayed healthy. It will be interesting to see how many teams have the stones to tell their guy "yeah, you technically made All NBA 3rd team, but you aren't really at that level".

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Significant financial implications with Evan Mobley being named DPOY. pic.twitter.com/DPkz921bIP

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) April 24, 2025

Obviously to get under the tax, They should trade Mobley for Devin vassell and Keldon Johnson. Act quick before I change my mind

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A savvy GM would convince Mobley to take less than the max.

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He already signed for the max last summer. As long as he didn't get MVP or DPOY, it's a 25% contract. But he got DPOY and so it jumped to 30% Max.

That ship sailed.

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Does the dollar amount really change after signature?

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Yep. He signed for the max contract, and if he meets certain performance achievements before it kicks in, it increases from 25% to 30%.

It's called the Derrick Rose Rule because Rose won MVP and was the first to qualify for it. That DPOY earned him an extra $45 million over the 4 years starting with an extra $8 million next year that Cleveland wasn't planning on

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Yep, after a little research that nugget is clear. That clause isn't mandatory but it looks like the Cavs left it in for Mobley. They probably never dreamed he'd "earn" that. It took Wemby going down for him to get it.

Big picture, there are a lot of guys who make an All NBA team who wouldn't have if everyone stayed healthy. It will be interesting to see how many teams have the stones to tell their guy "yeah, you technically made All NBA 3rd team, but you aren't really at that level".

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Dejounte Murray was an all star injury replacement 1 season and we shook ATL down based on that fluke ASG appearance

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Significant financial implications with Evan Mobley being named DPOY. pic.twitter.com/DPkz921bIP

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) April 24, 2025

Obviously to get under the tax, They should trade Mobley for Devin vassell and Keldon Johnson. Act quick before I change my mind

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A savvy GM would convince Mobley to take less than the max.

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He already signed for the max last summer. As long as he didn't get MVP or DPOY, it's a 25% contract. But he got DPOY and so it jumped to 30% Max.

That ship sailed.

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Does the dollar amount really change after signature?

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Yep. He signed for the max contract, and if he meets certain performance achievements before it kicks in, it increases from 25% to 30%.

It's called the Derrick Rose Rule because Rose won MVP and was the first to qualify for it. That DPOY earned him an extra $45 million over the 4 years starting with an extra $8 million next year that Cleveland wasn't planning on

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Yep, after a little research that nugget is clear. That clause isn't mandatory but it looks like the Cavs left it in for Mobley. They probably never dreamed he'd "earn" that. It took Wemby going down for him to get it.

Big picture, there are a lot of guys who make an All NBA team who wouldn't have if everyone stayed healthy. It will be interesting to see how many teams have the stones to tell their guy "yeah, you technically made All NBA 3rd team, but you aren't really at that level".

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Dejounte Murray was an all star injury replacement 1 season and we shook ATL down based on that fluke ASG appearance

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The most egregious one to me is Jaylen Brown. He made 2nd team ALL NBA once in 22-23 and it landed him a 5 year $285 million super max. That year Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, KAT, Ja Murant, Devin Booker, and Kyrie Irving all missed a significant number games and didn't qualify (technically there was not the 65 game rule back then but voters typically didn't vote for guys who missed time). I just don't think Brown is a top 15 player.

Freaking Julius Randle has made All NBA twice under similar circumstances. There no chance in hell I would want my team to max that guy out.

Frame this 🖼️ pic.twitter.com/l9esnDYfjL

— San Antonio Spurs (@spurs) April 30, 2025

Tim Duncan no longer the shortest ROY in San Antonio history. Until that pineapple grows a little more.

It's comical how tall Wemby is when looking at the Admiral. Is he 7'8 now?

Cool moment. The Spurs previous Rookie of the Year winners. (Admiral,TD,Wemby) present Steph Castle with the trophy. pic.twitter.com/0LlK4E6sYm

— Don Harris (@DonHarris4) April 30, 2025

Yahoo Sports mock:
Spurs get Giannis
Bucks get Barnes, Sochan, Vassell + 4 1sts


Would yall do this?

I'm thinking that would leave the back court pretty thin

Do you keep this years 1st?

Fox, Wemby, Castle, Giannis + this years 1st is pretty salty. But I think you only do that if you feel you have to win next year. Giannis may only have 2-3 good years left before you start to see some drastic fall off.

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Yahoo Sports mock:
Spurs get Giannis
Bucks get Barnes, Sochan, Vassell + 4 1sts


Would yall do this?

I'm thinking that would leave the back court pretty thin

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There is zero chance the Bucks don't demand Castle.

Sochan, Vassell, Castle works financially and saves them more money.

And I think other teams would put together better offers.

Part of me feels like you want to wait for FA, but if they don't want Castle + either Keldon or Vassell, then I'd be inclined to take it because of Wemby and Castle being on rookie deals until he gets to his player option

Agreed, but it's fun to think of them not asking for him

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Do you keep this years 1st?

Fox, Wemby, Castle, Giannis + this years 1st is pretty salty. But I think you only do that if you feel you have to win next year. Giannis may only have 2-3 good years left before you start to see some drastic fall off.

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They absolutely demand the better of our two firsts this year, plus the Hawks pick in 27, swap in 26, swap in 30, and the Kings pick in 31.

And the point on Giannis having limited time is right. His game is completely predicated on his freakish athleticism, but how long will that hold up? When it is gone, he can't shoot. he missed the playoffs last year. He turns 31 in December and has almost 1000 total NBA games under his belt, but Greek games.

His game won't age as gracefully as Durant/LeBron. And that's a probably when you sell the farm to have a big three and lose your draft capital. If he gets hurt or drops, you could be in a situation like Phoenix. Wemby, Fox and coattail riders aren't enough and we wont have the flexibility to do more.

Four firsts is dumb. And Giannis is no spring chicken.

I dont think Giannis gets traded in the off-season. The Bucks don't control any of their own picks the next few years so tanking makes no sense. I guess they could trade with NO and get Zion plus their own picks back.