***********2024-2025 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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Guitarsoup
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And you just continue to act like everyone that thinks he's a viable NBA player is crazy and that the only correct answer is to let him walk.
This is just a classic definition of a strawman. I have not said or insinuated, nor has anyone said, that Mamu is more than an end of the bench guy that everyone likes.

Sure, I would rather keep Mamu than Branham, but Branham has a contract and it is unlikely we just cut him to sign Mamu. Not sure other teams are going to want him for more than a throw in.

I'm sorry if I am coming across as condescending, I totally do not mean to. But go reread your own posts before you throw rocks from a glass house.

But the Spurs need to upgrade, none of the free agents are really worth keeping around from a basketball perspective.
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Basically, in my opinion if you let Mamu walk, you just end up signing someone else to play a similar role, it's a nothing burger.


It's about the roster spot for the picks and MLE/BAE.


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Letting Mamu walk doesn't open up new financial flexibility to markedly improve the team, and his roster spot if vacated is most likely to be filled by a rookie unlikely to contribute.
We have two firsts, a high second, the MLE, and BAE and five open roster spots. The 2nd would be probably similar to Mamu in role and pay, but would ideally have more upside. Could be Kalkbrenner or Raynaud.

It is about the roster spots. We are already financially flexible enough to be able to deal with guys like Barnes and Keldon coming off the bench, because our team is so rookie contract heavy. Barnes has one more year and Keldon has two.


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I'm not really arguing for Mamu as much as saying that his roster spot is unlikely to be filled by a contributor. The roster spots that could really help us improve the team are CP3s, Barnes, and Keldon because of the financial benefit to clearing them.


I think Barnes as an ending contract has some value, but his shooting is still needed. I don't think Keldon really has any value to any team except to us. Ideally, we can add people so that Keldon is used way less, Barnes is used slightly less, and we have younger, cost controlled players there that actually play defense and rebound.

Barnes clears anyway next year. Paul is already cleared. If we could use those salaries to bring in a Trey Murphy or Herb Jones, that is one thing, but I certainly don't see anything like that out there, because neither has all that much value. Barnes+Keldon for Zion since Dumars is taking over the Pelicans and supposedly wants him out? Not sure Joe is taking that one.

Financially, we aren't in a problem with the over paid players right now because of the team structure, and Barnes, Wesley, and Branham are all ending contracts. So they are a fine thing to have until we can find someone to do a deal for a forward such as the Fox deal where we traded a cap matching contracts and picks. But I honestly don't see much of a path to improve those slots without something weird coming up other than bringing in rookies and free agents and letting them expire off.

Y'all have a good night.
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You don't keep likable players just because they have some utility. They do need to take some swings for the fences and see if there's a Ginobili or Draymomd hiding in that early 2nd round.

Spurs history has proven repeatedly that you can take fringe guys of all types and make them look awesome on the right team in the right role. Those rosters were littered with guys who would look awesome in silver and black yet went elsewhere and didn't do sht. Mamu fits that same bill. The spurs always moved on from those players as soon as it was convenient and replaced them with another guy who was usually just as good or better of a fit.
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https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-big-boards/2025-nba-mock-draft-two-round-projections-entering-nba-play-in-tournament-playoffs

SI has us taking Kon then Liam. Would have loved that months ago, but I'm not sold on Liam.

Much rather Carter Bryant as a D&3 forward or Rasheer Fleming as a D&3 PF over Liam.
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Guitarsoup said:

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-big-boards/2025-nba-mock-draft-two-round-projections-entering-nba-play-in-tournament-playoffs

SI has us taking Kon then Liam. Would have loved that months ago, but I'm not sold on Liam.

Much rather Carter Bryant as a D&3 forward or Rasheer Fleming as a D&3 PF over Liam.
Agreed. Kon and Liam are too interchangeable in my opinion. And Vassell has been playing better recently.

Is Atlanta officially out of the Lottery?
Guitarsoup
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If Atlanta loses in the playin, they can be in the lottery but they will be one of the last teams. Like 13 or 14.
Enzo The Baker
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Guitarsoup said:

If Atlanta loses in the playin, they can be in the lottery but they will be one of the last teams. Like 13 or 14.

Go Magic! I first I think I would have wanted the Hawks to play the Heat if they drop tonight's game. But now I feel like Chicago is playing better basketball.
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This really puts the back and forth about whether or not to keep Mamu in perspective. Absolutely brutal time to be a mavs fan.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Guitarsoup said:

If Atlanta loses in the playin, they can be in the lottery but they will be one of the last teams. Like 13 or 14.

Go Magic! I first I think I would have wanted the Hawks to play the Heat if they drop tonight's game. But now I feel like Chicago is playing better basketball.
I replied to this, but Texags ate it.

Yeah, I would think that the Heat with Bam, Ware, and Wiggins with Highsmith and Mitchell to guard Trae would be the team, but Chicago is playing and shooting unbelievably well. Giddey is putting up 21/11/9 over the last 20 games with amazing shooting splits. Chicago is one of the best rebounding and shooting teams over the last month or two and Atlanta is super small. Capela, Johnson and Nance are all out. Okongwu is small at like 6'8.

Chicago keeps playing like they have and they should destroy Atlanta. Everyone on their team including Matas is just drilling three after three. Hawks are 28th in FG% against and 3fg% against.

Let's see Matas get out there and light it up.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/3/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview?usp=sharing#

This guy updates a google sheet of all the voters with their votes. So far the only ROY voter that didn't put Castle at #1? Tim Bontemps.

You will know him as the guy hack that rides Chet's jock, put out the fake story early this year about an anonymous NBA scout saying how awful a player Wemby actually was, and was the only person to leave Wemby off their DPOY ballot completely last year.
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https://www.nba.com/stats/help/statminimums


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* The only exception to this rule will be if, at the end of the season, the player would have led the league in the category had he played the required number of games with his current category total. For example, if Player A played 56 games and scored 1,590 points (28.4 ppg), Player A could still qualify for the league lead if his average (27.4) with that same point total (1,590) over 58 games was higher than any other player.

A past example: Myles Turner recorded 159 blocks in 47 games (3.38 bpg) in a 72-game season in 2020-21, when the games played qualifier was 51. Turner would have still led the league in blocks because his average with 51 games (3.12 bpg) would have been greater than the 2.68 bpg of Rudy Gobert, the leader among players who met the 51-game qualifier.
Wemby led the NBA in total blocks. He should still be considered the NBA blocks leader.

Wemby's 176 blocks divided by 58 games would be 3.03, dwarfing Walker Kessler's 2.4.
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Him and Windhorst were desperately trying to gas up Risacher the other day because the Atlanta Hawks are playing in "meaningful games". Ridiculous take
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Him and Windhorst were desperately trying to gas up Risacher the other day because the Atlanta Hawks are playing in "meaningful games". Ridiculous take
Yeah, it is stupid. Castle was playing the role of primary creator and POA defender while Risacher is just a guy on defense and spends his time hanging out waiting for Trae to toss it to him.

Surprised Windhorst was saying that, he's Wemby's buddy. No surprise at all for Bontemps.
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Guitarsoup said:

AA said:

Him and Windhorst were desperately trying to gas up Risacher the other day because the Atlanta Hawks are playing in "meaningful games". Ridiculous take
Yeah, it is stupid. Castle was playing the role of primary creator and POA defender while Risacher is just a guy on defense and spends his time hanging out waiting for Trae to toss it to him.

Surprised Windhorst was saying that, he's Wemby's buddy. No surprise at all for Bontemps.

Bontemps is a spurs hater. It's hilarious. Probably was just offended by Pop at some point.
Guitarsoup
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Paolo and Franz combined to shoot 4-14 in the first half to lead the Magic to a 14pt halftime lead 61-47.

Hawks shooting 40/21/61 in the first half.
Enzo The Baker
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Paolo and Franz combined to shoot 4-14 in the first half to lead the Magic to a 14pt halftime lead 61-47.

Hawks shooting 40/21/61 in the first half.

Definitely not a good sign for the hawks.
Enzo The Baker
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So essentially for the Spurs, best case scenario is that Kings and Hawks are both bumped out of playin. Then they are tied for 13th and our odds increase from 26% to 30% for a top 4.
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Enzo The Baker said:

So essentially for the Spurs, best case scenario is that Kings and Hawks are both bumped out of playin. Then they are tied for 13th and our odds increase from 26% to 30% for a top 4.
Yeah, That's pretty much it. #1 pick goes from 6% to ~7%.

The dream is that Hawks pick jumping. Imagine having a top 4 pick and still having our own at 9. Go home with like Ace Bailey and Kon Knueppel?
Guitarsoup
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Franz had a nice block on the third worst rim finisher in the league.

Guitarsoup
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Hawks give up 41 in the 4th to lose by 25.

Little Zaccy Racecar shot 2-10 for 7 points and 3 rebounds in 28 minutes. He had 2 points in the 2nd half. Two meaningless FTs when the game was out of reach.

Our boy CoJo outscored Risacher.

Glad we traded for Fox, not Trae.



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Enzo The Baker said:

So essentially for the Spurs, best case scenario is that Kings and Hawks are both bumped out of playin. Then they are tied for 13th and our odds increase from 26% to 30% for a top 4.


No. The best case scenario is splitting 12 and 13 with Sacramento but this requires Dallas taking both play in games in the West.

Your scenario is far more likely, but not the best case scenario
flashplayer
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Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

So essentially for the Spurs, best case scenario is that Kings and Hawks are both bumped out of playin. Then they are tied for 13th and our odds increase from 26% to 30% for a top 4.
Yeah, That's pretty much it. #1 pick goes from 6% to ~7%.

The dream is that Hawks pick jumping. Imagine having a top 4 pick and still having our own at 9. Go home with like Ace Bailey and Kon Knueppel?


What are you smoking? The dream is taking home Ace Bailey and Flagg.
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flashplayer said:

Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

So essentially for the Spurs, best case scenario is that Kings and Hawks are both bumped out of playin. Then they are tied for 13th and our odds increase from 26% to 30% for a top 4.
Yeah, That's pretty much it. #1 pick goes from 6% to ~7%.

The dream is that Hawks pick jumping. Imagine having a top 4 pick and still having our own at 9. Go home with like Ace Bailey and Kon Knueppel?


What are you smoking? The dream is taking home Ace Bailey and Flagg.
True, but the likelihood of that is fractions of a percent.
flashplayer
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Guitarsoup said:

flashplayer said:

Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

So essentially for the Spurs, best case scenario is that Kings and Hawks are both bumped out of playin. Then they are tied for 13th and our odds increase from 26% to 30% for a top 4.
Yeah, That's pretty much it. #1 pick goes from 6% to ~7%.

The dream is that Hawks pick jumping. Imagine having a top 4 pick and still having our own at 9. Go home with like Ace Bailey and Kon Knueppel?


What are you smoking? The dream is taking home Ace Bailey and Flagg.
True, but the likelihood of that is fractions of a percent.


Obligatory

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Fun fact: the only member of the Curry family to not lead the NBA in 3pt % is Steph Curry.
Enzo The Baker
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flashplayer said:

Enzo The Baker said:

So essentially for the Spurs, best case scenario is that Kings and Hawks are both bumped out of playin. Then they are tied for 13th and our odds increase from 26% to 30% for a top 4.


No. The best case scenario is splitting 12 and 13 with Sacramento but this requires Dallas taking both play in games in the West.

Your scenario is far more likely, but not the best case scenario

Good call.
Guitarsoup
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I was gonna say if we use a 1st on a center like Sorber or Malauch, look at giving Santi Aldama a contract with the MLE... then he has a 5 second violation with 5s left down by 3.
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Guitarsoup said:

https://www.nba.com/stats/help/statminimums


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* The only exception to this rule will be if, at the end of the season, the player would have led the league in the category had he played the required number of games with his current category total. For example, if Player A played 56 games and scored 1,590 points (28.4 ppg), Player A could still qualify for the league lead if his average (27.4) with that same point total (1,590) over 58 games was higher than any other player.

A past example: Myles Turner recorded 159 blocks in 47 games (3.38 bpg) in a 72-game season in 2020-21, when the games played qualifier was 51. Turner would have still led the league in blocks because his average with 51 games (3.12 bpg) would have been greater than the 2.68 bpg of Rudy Gobert, the leader among players who met the 51-game qualifier.
Wemby led the NBA in total blocks. He should still be considered the NBA blocks leader.

Wemby's 176 blocks divided by 58 games would be 3.03, dwarfing Walker Kessler's 2.4.


I had a preseason bet on Wemby to lead the league in blocks that I'd love to see rise from the dead
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I've made a new thread for the TexAgs NBA playoffs pickem contest for anyone interested. Thanks!

PICKEM THREAD
Guitarsoup
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Chicago is getting smoked. 71-47 at halftime.
Guitarsoup
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Coby White disappeared (5-20 shooting) and so did their $90M man Patrick Williams, who had 2 rebounds and 0 points in 14 minutes.

Heat vs Hawks. Hope Herro has it in him to do it again against Atlanta.
Enzo The Baker
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Mavs also up big at half time. Good thing for the Spurs.
flashplayer
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Yes. Crossing fingers and knocking on wood….best case scenario still very much in play.

Soup - is what I just read about Memphis pick being lottery protected this year true? As in, they get to keep the pick this year if they throw the next game but give it up if they win the prize of being Oklahoma City's 1st round punching bag?
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Enzo The Baker said:

Mavs also up big at half time. Good thing for the Spurs.
If Mavs and Heat both get the 8th seed, it would be the best possible scenario.

8. Spurs
9. Suns (tie)
9. Blazers (tie)
11. Bulls
12. Kings (tie)
12. Hawks (tie)
14. Grizzlies

The Kings pick would be a 93% chance of landing at 12 or better. It is protected 1-12 and if it is 13+, it goes to the Hawks.

Hawks and Kings are tied, so we would need to flip a coin to see who is 12 and who is 13.

If that Kings pick (for Kevin Huerter) stays in Sacramento this year, then the Hawks only have the Lakers pick (from AD trade to NOLA then to ATL for DJM) which will be 22nd.

WAY better for us for the Kings to keep their pick and the Hawks only have a bottom 10 pick this year.

Also, the Kings pick is top ten protected next year. If it does not convey next year, it turns into a 2nd.

So pray the Kings get the 12th pick.
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flashplayer said:

Yes. Crossing fingers and knocking on wood….best case scenario still very much in play.

Soup - is what I just read about Memphis pick being lottery protected this year true? As in, they get to keep the pick this year if they throw the next game but give it up if they win the prize of being Oklahoma City's 1st round punching bag?
That's right, there are a few things like that.

If Memphis wins, they lose their 1st rounder. If Memphis loses, they get the 14th slot in the draft and the first rounder they owed to Washington turns into a 2nd round pick next year and a 2nd round pick the following year.


Miami also has a situation like that. I'll let this tweet explain it, because it is a pain:

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