2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup

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Group A , which features Mexico, Canada, Martinique and Cuba will open play on June 15 at the Rose Bowl in Los Angeles. The group's second matchday will come on June 19 at Broncos Stadium at Mile High in Denver, with the final round of matches played June 23 at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte.

Group B , featuring Costa Rica, Haiti, Nicaragua and Bermuda, will play its opening matches on June 16 at Estadio Nacional de Costa Rica in San Jose, with the second round of matches to be played at Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Texas on June 20 . The final round of matches will take place at Red Bull Arena in Harrison, New Jersey on June 24 .

Group C matches will begin on June 17 , with Honduras, Jamaica, El Salvador and Curacao all taking the field in Kingston, Jamaica at Independence Park. The group will move to BBVA Compass Stadium Houston for the second round of matches on June 24 while Banc of California Stadium in Los Angeles will host the third round of matches on June 25 .

The U.S. national team headlines Group D , which will be the last group to start play June 18 at Allianz Field in Minneapolis, Minnesota. The USA will be joined by Panama, Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana with the group moving to FirstEnergy Stadium in Cleveland for their second round of matches on June 22 . Group play will then close with Group D's final matchday at Children's Mercy Park in Kansas City on June 26 .

The knockout rounds will begin on June 29 at Houston's NRG stadium with two quarterfinal matches, while the other two quarterfinals will be played June 30 in Philadelphia.

The semifinals are set to be held July 2 in Glendale, Arizona and July 3 in Nashville, with the final set to take place July 7 in Chicago.
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did they screw us over? We should still win the group, but sure seems like we got the hard one.

Looks like no potential US games in Texas
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You're right. The USMNT will play group games in Minnesota, Cleveland, and Kansas City. Knockout round games would take the U.S. team to Philadelphia and Nashville before the final in Chicago.

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Dang, that's a bad draw. Maybe the only way it could have been worse is El Salvador instead of T&T in pot 3? But that's a maybe (and tbh I know nothing about pot 4).

I don't think we'll skate through this one with nine points.
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I'm planning on going to the game in Kansas City.
aggiesoccer#1fan
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Why does CONCACAF refuse to use le drapeau martiniquais?

deadbq03
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Draw might not be as bad as it looks. I'd argue that Honduras got the worst draw (and perhaps rightly so since they are the worst 1 seed) and Costa Rica got the best by a wide margin.

The numbers support this: in current CONCACAF and FIFA ratings, Honduras' 3 opponents are hardest. With the FIFA ratings, it's hardest by a large margin... all three of their opponents should've been seeded one pot better. Also to make matters worse, Honduras has the bad fortune of having to play Jamaica in Jamaica.

Costa Rica shows the opposite: in both sets of rankings, all three of their opponents should've been seeded one pot worse (or not qualified).

For fellow nerds...
Country - CONCACAF Rating(Rank), FIFA Rating(Rank amongst CONCACAF teams)

Group A:
Canada - 1502(#6), 1314(#8)
Martinique - 1328(#12), NA(#NA)
Cuba - 1163(#13), 961(#22)
Average - 1331(#10.3), 1137.5(#15)*

Group B:
Haiti - 1392(#10), 1223(#11)
Nicaragua - 1081(#14), 1120(#13)
Bermuda - 955(#20), 959(#23)
Average - 1142.7(#14.7), 1100.7(#15.7)

Group C:
Jamaica - 1473(#7), 1391(#4)
El Salvador - 1424(#9), 1344(#6)
Curacao - 1069(#15), 1296(#9)
Average - 1322(#10.3), 1343.7(#6.3)

Group D:
Panama - 1558(#5), 1327(#7)
T&T - 1335(#11), 1258(#10)
Guyana - 955(#20), 959(#23)
Average - 1282.7(#12), 1181.3(#13.3)

aggiesoccer#1fan
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MLS did some similar calculations...

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/04/10/which-2019-concacaf-gold-cup-group-hardest
deadbq03
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Thanks for the link... I had forgotten all about the ELO ratings. It's a better system than FIFA. It's a bit odd that the author chose to use FIFA rankings but then substituted ELO for Martinique - would've been better to just use ELO across the board - or current CONCACAF even (because it's different now than when they were put in draw pots).

I ran the ELO numbers and the results are interesting. They clearly show that the USA has an easier road than Mexico and Honduras... and it's surprising how close those two groups are. Costa Rica still has the easiest road, by far.

Group A:
Canada - 1557(#6)
Martinique - 1464(#11)
Cuba - 1334(#13)
Average - 1451.7(#10)

Group B:
Haiti - 1521(#9)
Nicaragua - 1299(#16)
Bermuda - 1224(#20)
Average - 1348(#15)

Group C:
Jamaica - 1536(#7)
El Salvador - 1528(#8)
Curacao - 1310(#15)
Average - 1458(#10)

Group D:
Panama - 1571(#5)
T&T - 1432(#12)
Guyana - 1190(#22)
Average - 1397.7(#13)

Our numbers are pulled down by having the worst team in the competition in our group... which I don't really count as a good thing because they become free points for the 2/3 seeds too. There's a good chance Cuba can get an upset or two. Guyana doesn't have a prayer.
Pahdz
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The US has no games in Texas for a reason...I'll give you some guesses.

Got tickets months ago for the game up here at Allianz, stoked for it, just wish it wasn't against Guyana.
aggiesoccer#1fan
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That reason might apply to World Cup qualifying, but it didn't prevent the USMNT from making an appearance in Texas in each of the last four Gold Cups.
PatAg
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aggiesoccer#1fan said:

That reason might apply to World Cup qualifying, but it didn't prevent the USMNT from making an appearance in Texas in each of the last four Gold Cups.
yep, and those games were well attended, especially their semi and mexico's semi.

and the US crowd was loud in our game at JerryWorld
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