***USMNT 2019***

I Am Mine
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It's probably because of the sun, but lol.



PatAg
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They also are most likely having this discussion between physical training sessions too, so tired/sore.

Still funny though
I Am Mine
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The future is US.

Zardes and Arriola.

Not Pulisic and McKennie or Adams or Boyd any other Eurobased player.



Am I reading to much into this, or is this just an MLS marketing ploy that the MLS is as good for Americans as playing overseas?
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the sad thing is that the MLS has been great...for other Concacaf teams. the MLS best aren't Americans.
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Furlock Bones said:

the sad thing is that the MLS has been great...for other Concacaf teams. the MLS best aren't Americans.
US fans have been underwriting the development of CONCAAF players willing to work for MLS, USL, etc on the cheap. Hard to know if it's a feature or a bug
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tysker said:

Furlock Bones said:

the sad thing is that the MLS has been great...for other Concacaf teams. the MLS best aren't Americans.
US fans have been underwriting the development of CONCAAF players willing to work for MLS, USL, etc on the cheap. Hard to know if it's a feature or a bug
yep. Houston Dynamo are a prime example.
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I think you're reading into it too much.
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OregonAggie said:

I think you're reading into it too much.
Probably so but if those two are the future of our tea,m, we're in trouble.
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I Am Mine said:

OregonAggie said:

I think you're reading into it too much.
Probably so but if those two are the future of our tea,m, we're in trouble.
Keep in mind that marketing/social media probably has little to no interaction with the actual coaching staff.

I think we all know the future of the USMNT starts in Germany.
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fig96 said:

I Am Mine said:

OregonAggie said:

I think you're reading into it too much.
Probably so but if those two are the future of our tea,m, we're in trouble.
Keep in mind that marketing/social media probably has little to no interaction with the actual coaching staff.

I think we all know the future of the USMNT starts in Germany.


I guess they're marketing the MLS children.
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tysker said:

Furlock Bones said:

the sad thing is that the MLS has been great...for other Concacaf teams. the MLS best aren't Americans.
US fans have been underwriting the development of CONCAAF players willing to work for MLS, USL, etc on the cheap. Hard to know if it's a feature or a bug
As much as I resonate with this, I also think that we should be beating everyone but Mexico regardless of whether we develop their players for them. The aforementioned Houston Dynamo now employs what, four Honduran starters, but those guys didn't make the World Cup. We spanked them 6-0 in Arena's first game as coach, and drew 1-1 in the away leg.

The other CONCACAF nations should not be a long-term threat to the US. Most of our issues are self-inflicted.

As far as the benefits of MLS for Americans, I think it's hard to imagine that not having a healthy domestic league would be preferable for the development of the sport and its players in our country. Kids need to grow up in a place where soccer is a bigtime, aspirational sport. That wasn't the case when I was young. This is better, the game is on the rise here, and it will continue to grow over time.
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I agree but saying the MLS is a premier league doesn't make it so.

And that what I feel the USSF is doing.
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Bryan98 said:

tysker said:

Furlock Bones said:

the sad thing is that the MLS has been great...for other Concacaf teams. the MLS best aren't Americans.
US fans have been underwriting the development of CONCAAF players willing to work for MLS, USL, etc on the cheap. Hard to know if it's a feature or a bug
As much as I resonate with this, I also think that we should be beating everyone but Mexico regardless of whether we develop their players for them. The aforementioned Houston Dynamo now employs what, four Honduran starters, but those guys didn't make the World Cup. We spanked them 6-0 in Arena's first game as coach, and drew 1-1 in the away leg.

The other CONCACAF nations should not be a long-term threat to the US. Most of our issues are self-inflicted.

As far as the benefits of MLS for Americans, I think it's hard to imagine that not having a healthy domestic league would be preferable for the development of the sport and its players in our country. Kids need to grow up in a place where soccer is a bigtime, aspirational sport. That wasn't the case when I was young. This is better, the game is on the rise here, and it will continue to grow over time.


Totally agree. But currently much of the league has found superior value in foreign players from Honduras/Jamaica etc that are more than willing to play for significantly less money. And why not? They get to come to the US and live a better life. I would bet there are a number of US players every year trying to decide do I keep plugging away making 40K a year or go get a job.

My post was more of an acknowledgement of where the league currently is rather than a right/wrong post.
I Am Mine
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Just a reminder.

A dominating performance is going to happen tonight and all it means is Guyana sucks.
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Thanks
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I Am Mine said:

Just a reminder.

A dominating performance is going to happen tonight and all it means is Guyana sucks.
Well at least a dominating performance is better than a 1-nil squeaker. They need some success in the system to gain confidence even if it is only Guyana.
fig96
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MLS minimum is around 56k and average nonDP salary is 345k per their latest survey. These guys aren't struggling to pay the rent anymore.
I Am Mine
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ja86 said:

I Am Mine said:

Just a reminder.

A dominating performance is going to happen tonight and all it means is Guyana sucks.
Well at least a dominating performance is better than a 1-nil squeaker. They need some success in the system to gain confidence even if it is only Guyana.


A 1 nil squeaker is reason to be very concerned.
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What do y'all think?

Furlock Bones
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fig96 said:

MLS minimum is around 56k and average nonDP salary is 345k per their latest survey. These guys aren't struggling to pay the rent anymore.
think the point still stands. you're going to get significantly more people from other concacaf nations to play for less money.
PatAg
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We should every player with the team, right now, that will matter going forward
Maybe next gold cup isn't as important, but we are trying to establish a system and see who fits in it
PatAg
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I also imagine the MLS might enact a rule similar to what England did, where a percentage of your team has to be American.

I also don't think anyone is arguing the MLS is a tier 1 league, but I personally think it's on par with the 2nd tier leagues. The advantage to playing in a European 2nd tier league is the possibility of league play, more exposure to the top tier, and once you are over there it's easier to move to another league.
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Furlock Bones said:

fig96 said:

MLS minimum is around 56k and average nonDP salary is 345k per their latest survey. These guys aren't struggling to pay the rent anymore.
think the point still stands. you're going to get significantly more people from other concacaf nations to play for less money.
Theoretically this is true early on, but it's not like a player who excels is going to settle for less money on his next contract.

Might a player from a less developed nation be willing to take less up front? Maybe, but I don't think it amounts to any significant difference than an early career American player who isn't ready or good enough to go overseas.

Now, does having a very accessible league with a lot of development benefit players from other nations more? That's a different question.
 
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