I'm Class of '94. I can remember 1984 (7th grade for me) and undefeated BYU complaining that they weren't getting to play for a national title. They were 12-0 and had started the season at #3 Pitt. That was the only ranked opponent they played that year, and Pitt finished 1984 3-7-1.

BYU has been pulling this sh** (playing no one, winning, and then complaining when they're left out) for decades.

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Here's Sagarin's conference rank. notice where the Big cupcake is, below the ACC. Neither of those leagues should have a team in the playoff. Maybe Miami since they actually proved they can beat a good team. Only thing Tech has proven is they beat the 2nd best team in the worst P4 conference who is also inflated from W&L's against cupakes. BYU has literally not beaten anyone.

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The Big 12 dominated the ACC head-to-head this season. Sagarin's ratings are a mess here.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Here's Sagarin's conference rank. notice where the Big cupcake is, below the ACC. Neither of those leagues should have a team in the playoff. Maybe Miami since they actually proved they can beat a good team. Only thing Tech has proven is they beat the 2nd best team in the worst P4 conference who is also inflated from W&L's against cupakes. BYU has literally not beaten anyone.

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The Big 12 dominated the ACC head-to-head this season. Sagarin's ratings are a mess here.

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You beat UNC and Stanford, two dumpster fires. Baylor did have a quality win over an overrated SMU. But you also lost to what ended up being a barely above average GT team.

Dominated is a weird word.

Your two best teams beat Oregon State and Stanford. You're 4th best team needed a miracle to beat Oregon State. Your 3rd best team beat a dumpster fire UCLA who fired their coach before conference play began. Your 5th place team who is apparently number 18 in the country played a terrible Kansas State as their non-conference game.. and barely won. Your "quality win" 6th best team lost to Mississippi State. Your 7th best team did beat an extremely overrated Iowa. Congrats on that.

Literally nobody in the top half of your conference, unless you consider Cincinatti who beat a mediocre Nebraska, attempted games against traditional powers, the top half of either the Big 10 or SEC, or anyone who would be considered top 20 in the country.

Your conference is a joke.

AI summary:

In the 2025 season, the Big 12 dominated the ACC in their non-conference matchups, going
6-1 against the ACC, with Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, BYU, and UCF securing wins, while Georgia Tech was the lone ACC victor. Key results included Baylor beating SMU, West Virginia over Pitt, and TCU defeating North Carolina twice, showcasing the Big 12's strength as they vied with the ACC for the #3 Power conference spot.
Big 12 Wins vs. ACC:

• Baylor 48, SMU 45 (Sep 6, 2025)
• West Virginia 31, Pittsburgh 24 (Sep 13, 2025)
• TCU 48, North Carolina 14 (Sep 1, 2025)
• TCU 35, SMU 24 (Sep 20, 2025)
• BYU 27, Stanford 3 (Sep 6, 2025)
• UCF 34, North Carolina 9 (Sep 20, 2025)

ACC Win vs. Big 12:

• Georgia Tech 27, Colorado 20 (Aug 29, 2025)

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Your two best teams beat Oregon State and Stanford. You're 4th best team needed a miracle to beat Oregon State. Your 3rd best team beat a dumpster fire UCLA who fired their coach before conference play began. Your 5th place team who is apparently number 18 in the country played a terrible Kansas State as their non-conference game.. and barely won. Your "quality win" 6th best team lost to Mississippi State. Your 7th best team did beat an extremely overrated Iowa. Congrats on that.

Literally nobody in the top half of your conference, unless you consider Cincinatti who beat a mediocre Nebraska, attempted games against traditional powers, the top half of either the Big 10 or SEC, or anyone who would be considered top 20 in the country.

Your conference is a joke.

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This is a very confusing reply to my message that the Big 12 dominated the ACC.

Oregon State doesn't play in the ACC. Kansas State is in the Big 12. Mississippi State is in the SEC. Iowa is in the B1G.

My assertion was only that the Big 12 dominated the ACC. That's true by any reasonable measure.

It's absolutely true. But what you're really saying is that the BDF is less of a garbage conference than the ACC. Neither one is a legitimate power conference. We're down to two of those.

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It's absolutely true. But what you're really saying is that the BDF is less of a garbage conference than the ACC. Neither one is a legitimate power conference. We're down to two of those.

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I am only saying what I said: that Sagarin's rankings are screwed up.

But if the rest of that makes you feel better, then yay for you.

I'm a Tech grad. I hate the Big 12. But that's where we play, and the hand we've been dealt. It seems to give you some pleasure somehow, which is weird to me, but whatever.

We're destroying the Big 12 this year and are ranked #4 in the nation. IDGAF how you feel about that. Take it up with AP, CP, FPI, SP+, and the CFP committee if you don't like it.

I said precisely what I meant to say. Nothing more.

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In the first matchup against Tech they didn't score until 7 min left in the 4th Q, and only crossed the 50 yard line 2 or 3 times.

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And A&M was down 30-3 to 4-8 SC at the half. What's your point?

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I am only saying what I said: that Sagarin's rankings are screwed up.

But if the rest of that makes you feel better, then yay for you.

I'm a Tech grad. I hate the Big 12. But that's where we play, and the hand we've been dealt. It seems to give you some pleasure somehow, which is weird to me, but whatever.

We're destroying the Big 12 this year and are ranked #4 in the nation. IDGAF how you feel about that. Take it up with AP, CP, FPI, SP+, and the CFP committee if you don't like it.

I said precisely what I meant to say. Nothing more.

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I completely agree with what you're saying. The Big 12 is the (distant) 3rd best conference in the country, and the ACC is the 4th. I didn't look at the Sagarin's rankings, and I don't care to.

Your school is currently 4th, and mine is 7th. I take zero pleasure in that, I assure you. As far as "IDGAF how you feel about that," why would I think you care what I think? The committee certainly doesn't care what I think.

If I had my way, Tech would be 7th, and the current 5/6/7 would become 4/5/6. It wouldn't really affect A&M. At #6, we'd still have a first round home game.

I think it's ridiculous for a team as untested at Tech to be getting a bye in the playoffs. It's just one more tough game that they don't have to play. But that's only my two cents, and I'm not hurt in you don't care, I assure you.

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Small market team means less money….. hate how money drives it all. Takes away how hard programs work to become relevant. Just would take a few coaches to step up and this whole thing could change, except they get paid much more than they used to also!

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They are as much a small market team as ND. They have a worldwide following due to being the flagship institution of the LDS Church. Every Mormon I ever knew was a BYU fan...whether or not they ever went there.

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Pardon the derail here, but I'm not. And I take offense to the presumption that we all follow BYU

And by virtue of both my wife and I being Ags, my 20-year-old son and Aggie superfan is headed to Provo in four weeks, following two years in what I would consider a mission into the Heart of Darkness, with all of his A&M clothing.

And we're not just talking Aggie football. Aggie baseball (Below is the 2023 Stanford Regional versus Cal State Fullerton, his first and only baseball game. The expression is disbelief as he points to Schlossnagle and expressed how close we were to a team and coach he views as celebrities), basketball, WBB, softball, soccer, we're closely following the volleyball team right now, and anything Aggie related.



So, ah, we're no fans of the Cougars.

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Bag said:

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ahead of Alabama? beat #5 Georgia, #16 Vandy, #14 Mizzou, #11 Tenn
ahead of Oklahoma? beat #22 Auburn, #15 Michigan, #14 Tenn, #4 Alabama
ahead of Notre Dame? beat #20 USC, #22 Pitt
ahead of Vandy? beat #10 LSU, #11 South Carolina, #15 Mizzou, #19 Tenn

BYU beat #23 Utah


UNT is 11-1, shoudl they be ranked higher than all 2 loss teams?

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They beat #15 Utah on the road, and #22 Arizona on the road. Pitt? Seriously?

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UNT is group of 5, that's apples and oranges regardless of other 1-loss vs 2-loss records

It is kinda weird that Tech has gotten the benefit of the doubt regarding the weak conference schedule while BYU hasn't. Not to mention Tech's loss is far worse.

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ahead of Alabama? beat #5 Georgia, #16 Vandy, #14 Mizzou, #11 Tenn
ahead of Oklahoma? beat #22 Auburn, #15 Michigan, #14 Tenn, #4 Alabama
ahead of Notre Dame? beat #20 USC, #22 Pitt
ahead of Vandy? beat #10 LSU, #11 South Carolina, #15 Mizzou, #19 Tenn

BYU beat #23 Utah


UNT is 11-1, shoudl they be ranked higher than all 2 loss teams?

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You're really going to pretend like Vandy beat a top ten team in LSU and an 11th ranked team in USC?

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Small market team means less money….. hate how money drives it all. Takes away how hard programs work to become relevant. Just would take a few coaches to step up and this whole thing could change, except they get paid much more than they used to also!

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They are as much a small market team as ND. They have a worldwide following due to being the flagship institution of the LDS Church. Every Mormon I ever knew was a BYU fan...whether or not they ever went there.

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Yeah, but BYU doesn't have a hit sports movie featuring a hobbit playing on their defense.

Tramp96 said:

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Small market team means less money….. hate how money drives it all. Takes away how hard programs work to become relevant. Just would take a few coaches to step up and this whole thing could change, except they get paid much more than they used to also!

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They are as much a small market team as ND. They have a worldwide following due to being the flagship institution of the LDS Church. Every Mormon I ever knew was a BYU fan...whether or not they ever went there.

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It's estimated there are around 17.5 million Mormons vs. 1.3 billion Catholics.

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If they win this weekend the rest should take care of itself and they'll be in the Loffs.

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Loffs? How cute.

Someone has to serve as the buffer between Miami and ND, or else the committee has to make Miami higher due to the H2H. If BYU wins, then the committee is just gonna have to sacrifice ND, but that's their own fault for being 10-2 and not in a conference to prove themselves.

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tk for tu juan said:

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In the first matchup against Tech they didn't score until 7 min left in the 4th Q, and only crossed the 50 yard line 2 or 3 times.

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And A&M was down 30-3 to 4-8 SC at the half. What's your point?

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The point seems clear to me. What's exceedingly vague is comparing it to a game A&M WON by scoring 28 straight (should have been 35) in the second half.

I didn't watch the entirety of the Tech-BYU game but it was a mismatch. BYU doesn't have a complete offense, their passing game is antique.

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Your two best teams beat Oregon State and Stanford. You're 4th best team needed a miracle to beat Oregon State. Your 3rd best team beat a dumpster fire UCLA who fired their coach before conference play began. Your 5th place team who is apparently number 18 in the country played a terrible Kansas State as their non-conference game.. and barely won. Your "quality win" 6th best team lost to Mississippi State. Your 7th best team did beat an extremely overrated Iowa. Congrats on that.

Literally nobody in the top half of your conference, unless you consider Cincinatti who beat a mediocre Nebraska, attempted games against traditional powers, the top half of either the Big 10 or SEC, or anyone who would be considered top 20 in the country.

Your conference is a joke.

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This is a very confusing reply to my message that the Big 12 dominated the ACC.

Oregon State doesn't play in the ACC. Kansas State is in the Big 12. Mississippi State is in the SEC. Iowa is in the B1G.

My assertion was only that the Big 12 dominated the ACC. That's true by any reasonable measure.

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I covered the games your top teams played. Which was literally nobody.

Your league ****ing blows.

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In the first matchup against Tech they didn't score until 7 min left in the 4th Q, and only crossed the 50 yard line 2 or 3 times.

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And A&M was down 30-3 to 4-8 SC at the half. What's your point?

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A&M won that game you mensa. BYU got laughed out of the room.

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ahead of Alabama? beat #5 Georgia, #16 Vandy, #14 Mizzou, #11 Tenn
ahead of Oklahoma? beat #22 Auburn, #15 Michigan, #14 Tenn, #4 Alabama
ahead of Notre Dame? beat #20 USC, #22 Pitt
ahead of Vandy? beat #10 LSU, #11 South Carolina, #15 Mizzou, #19 Tenn

BYU beat #23 Utah


UNT is 11-1, shoudl they be ranked higher than all 2 loss teams?

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You're really going to pretend like Vandy beat a top ten team in LSU and an 11th ranked team in USC?

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that is what they were ranked when they played, it is the only fair way to do this.

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If they win this weekend the rest should take care of itself and they'll be in the Loffs.

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The point is they shouldn't have to win this weekend to be in the playoffs.

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why? please state your case

who should they currently be rankled higher than?

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Every 2 loss team.

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What you are describing is called STANDINGS, not RANKINGS.

There is no national STANDINGS because not all wins and losses are created equal.

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An auto disqualifier from the playoff should be losing to the same team twice (see Texas last year).

How can you claim a national championship if you lost to the same team twice already? Clearly you aren't the best team in the country.

I'm not arguing them VS ND or Miami - just saying if they lose then the comparisons don't matter. If they win, they'll be in and the comparisons don't matter.

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NFL teams can lose to the same team twice in the regular season and still make the playoffs and have a chance to win a Super Bowl

Sometimes it's just not a favorable matchup vs a certain team

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Bag said:

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ahead of Alabama? beat #5 Georgia, #16 Vandy, #14 Mizzou, #11 Tenn
ahead of Oklahoma? beat #22 Auburn, #15 Michigan, #14 Tenn, #4 Alabama
ahead of Notre Dame? beat #20 USC, #22 Pitt
ahead of Vandy? beat #10 LSU, #11 South Carolina, #15 Mizzou, #19 Tenn

BYU beat #23 Utah


UNT is 11-1, shoudl they be ranked higher than all 2 loss teams?

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You're really going to pretend like Vandy beat a top ten team in LSU and an 11th ranked team in USC?

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that is what they were ranked when they played, it is the only fair way to do this.

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Sorry, couldn't disagree more. Preseason rankings have way too much impact and, this year especially, were shown to be absolute ass.

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An auto disqualifier from the playoff should be losing to the same team twice (see Texas last year).

How can you claim a national championship if you lost to the same team twice already? Clearly you aren't the best team in the country.

I'm not arguing them VS ND or Miami - just saying if they lose then the comparisons don't matter. If they win, they'll be in and the comparisons don't matter.

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NFL teams can lose to the same team twice in the regular season and still make the playoffs and have a chance to win a Super Bowl

Sometimes it's just not a favorable matchup vs a certain team

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Until CFB is structured like the NFL with clear equal sized conferences and divisions, where winning your division is the clear decider of playoffs, and there is no committee, its irrelevant.

At the end of the day, a team who loses to another team twice was never going to win it all unless relying on someone else to knock that team out, while also winning all of their other games against similarly talented teams.

If Georgia loses to Alabama, I would argue they had two chances to prove themselves and failed. I'd be ok with them being booted. Some would argue that its unfair A&M and Ole Miss get to sit at home then. Well, A&M and Ole Miss were never given the chance to prove themselves over each other or over Georgia. If we had it setup where each conference has a 4-team playoff before going to a 4 team CFP, then it would all settle inside the conferences with the losers failing to prove themselves against the top of their league.

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An auto disqualifier from the playoff should be losing to the same team twice (see Texas last year).

How can you claim a national championship if you lost to the same team twice already? Clearly you aren't the best team in the country.

I'm not arguing them VS ND or Miami - just saying if they lose then the comparisons don't matter. If they win, they'll be in and the comparisons don't matter.

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NFL teams can lose to the same team twice in the regular season and still make the playoffs and have a chance to win a Super Bowl

Sometimes it's just not a favorable matchup vs a certain team

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Cool. If you can't over come that matchup, you aren't the best team in the country and I think you should be excluded from consideration from the college football playoff.

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NyAggie said:

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An auto disqualifier from the playoff should be losing to the same team twice (see Texas last year).

How can you claim a national championship if you lost to the same team twice already? Clearly you aren't the best team in the country.

I'm not arguing them VS ND or Miami - just saying if they lose then the comparisons don't matter. If they win, they'll be in and the comparisons don't matter.

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NFL teams can lose to the same team twice in the regular season and still make the playoffs and have a chance to win a Super Bowl

Sometimes it's just not a favorable matchup vs a certain team

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Until CFB is structured like the NFL with clear equal sized conferences and divisions, where winning your division is the clear decider of playoffs, and there is no committee, its irrelevant.

At the end of the day, a team who loses to another team twice was never going to win it all unless relying on someone else to knock that team out, while also winning all of their other games against similarly talented teams.

If Georgia loses to Alabama, I would argue they had two chances to prove themselves and failed. I'd be ok with them being booted. Some would argue that its unfair A&M and Ole Miss get to sit at home then. Well, A&M and Ole Miss were never given the chance to prove themselves over each other or over Georgia. If we had it setup where each conference has a 4-team playoff before going to a 4 team CFP, then it would all settle inside the conferences with the losers failing to prove themselves against the top of their league.

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I see what you are saying, but I don't see it that way

Georgia could lose to Alabama again but still go on to win the whole thing

But I don't think Georgia loses to bama again

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I'm Class of '94. I can remember 1984 (7th grade for me) and undefeated BYU complaining that they weren't getting to play for a national title. They were 12-0 and had started the season at #3 Pitt. That was the only ranked opponent they played that year, and Pitt finished 1984 3-7-1.

BYU has been pulling this sh** (playing no one, winning, and then complaining when they're left out) for decades.

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In defense of all those very good G5 level teams (that BYU used to be), most the top P4 teams don't want to play them when they can feast on Abilene Christian or Samford or La Tech.


The top P4 teams want to play top to very good P4 teams OOC, or they want to play mediocre to bad G5 or FCS schools.


The sad thing is that most A&M fans would rather the team play Sam Houston St or Texas State instead of watching them play UNT or Texas Tech because there is "nothing to gain" by playing those teams and a higher chance of a loss....and that's right! Still, it's a lot less interesting football and the reason why a lot of the top G5 teams don't get scheduled by good P4 teams.

This is my issue with this. If BYU is 11 then no way in hell should Tech be 4. Techs schedule is actually more of a joke than BYUs other than tech beating BYU.

If BYU is 11, then tech should be 10.

And then Sagarins rankings, which I guess are considered gold standard by many, make even less sense with BYU at 20 and tech at 5.

In no world can someone logically say that there are 15 teams between the two.

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It is kinda weird that Tech has gotten the benefit of the doubt regarding the weak conference schedule while BYU hasn't. Not to mention Tech's loss is far worse.

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Tech smoked the rest of the conference outside of the loss. +244 scoring margin in conference, gave up 100 points in 9 conference games. If you are playing in an average/below average conference, this is the expectation that I have for a team to overcome their 1 loss. In comparison, BYU didn't look like they belong on the same field as Tech and have a +81 scoring margin in conference. If you want to be a playoff team, how you win does matter to a point.

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It is kinda weird that Tech has gotten the benefit of the doubt regarding the weak conference schedule while BYU hasn't. Not to mention Tech's loss is far worse.

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Tech smoked the rest of the conference outside of the loss. +244 scoring margin in conference, gave up 100 points in 9 conference games. If you are playing in an average/below average conference, this is the expectation that I have for a team to overcome their 1 loss. In comparison, BYU didn't look like they belong on the same field as Tech and have a +81 scoring margin in conference. If you want to be a playoff team, how you win does matter to a point.

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My expectation for a schedule that dismal is to play someone with a pulse out of conference, or else you are outside of the top 8. They didn't bother.

Regarding how you win.. if Tech goes on to lose in their first playoff game, does it matter that they smoked the Big cupcake? Not one bit. How you win is only relevant when you are in a college playoff system where you let a bunch of morons pick their favorites using anything other than reliable metrics and merit.

Mostly irrelevant to this conversation, but the LDS church has between $200-300B in investments.

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Small market team means less money….. hate how money drives it all. Takes away how hard programs work to become relevant. Just would take a few coaches to step up and this whole thing could change, except they get paid much more than they used to also!

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They are as much a small market team as ND. They have a worldwide following due to being the flagship institution of the LDS Church. Every Mormon I ever knew was a BYU fan...whether or not they ever went there.

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There are 7 million Mormons in the US. Thats a little different from the following that Notre Dame has.

BYU sucks. They played one good team and got completely exposed.

I'm personally pulling for BYU, with absolutely no connection whatsoever to the Church of LDS. I just want the committee to deal with the mess they created.