The logistics are crazy. The athletics teams will need a major overhaul. USC/UCLA MEN have volleyball and water polo Big 10 doesn't . Big 10 has Gymnastics ,Ice Hockey, Lacrosse, Swimming and Diving and wrestling. those schools don't . USC/UCLA WOMEN have beach volleyball and the Big 10 doesn't. Big 10 WOMEN have Lacrosse, field hockey and water polo and those schools don't . Title IX? Traveling expenses. Game time slots for football game? The non football schools will drain money from the budget. The new TV revenue will really have to make sense for this to work. I don't see it.

That's silly of course. It's based on future projected revenue.

You realize they said that about us, right? Sending our volleyball, baseball, softball teams to Florida and Georgia was just gonna kill it all. We didn't have a gymnastics team to fit in with the SEC. Disaster, would never work. Same thing you just said.

The message board warrior argument defending that, was that sending them to Florida/Georgia, vs Ames Iowa and Manhattan KS wasn't different. Do it.

So now, you think spending 60 extra minutes on a plane is different for all the fringe teams?

Or a hundred by the end of the upcoming Big Ten contract some experts project…

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You realize they said that about us, right? Sending our volleyball, baseball, softball teams to Florida and Georgia was just gonna kill it all. We didn't have a gymnastics team to fit in with the SEC. Disaster, would never work. Same thing you just said.

The message board warrior argument defending that, was that sending them to Florida/Georgia, vs Ames Iowa and Manhattan KS wasn't different. Do it.

So now, you think spending 60 extra minutes on a plane is different for all the fringe teams?

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Their closest road games to Nebraska are going to be like our going to South Carolina.

It's not the same situation. They'll push through it because of the $ but it's going to be a really ****ty travel schedule no matter how they do it

As for TV, 3 time zones is going to make for an interesting viewing schedule for some folks. No way around that. The SEC is wholly within 2 time zones with most division games within the same one.

For minor sports they have belonged to MPSF for years https://mpsports.org/ to compete regionally at the highest level. I could see them expanding in some sports and competing in B1G in others.

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Fact. LAX is a dealbreaker.

Football and basketball pay for EVERYTHING. Baseball has the possibility to join those two in certain parts of the country but need more scholarships.

https://mpsports.org/

Thanks

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As for TV, 3 time zones is going to make for an interesting viewing schedule for some folks. No way around that. The SEC is wholly within 2 time zones with most division games within the same one.

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And they got the money bc FOX/ESPN knows who's is watching what, when. I've watched 100 "PAC12 After Dark" games. So have most people here. The OSU/Mich people will watch those late visiting games. The Californians won't watch the early visiting games, but they weren't watching anything anyway.

The new Big 10 is not going to be in any
way swayed by the baseball/softball/swimming/gymnastics teams.

If FOX didn't know who was watching what, where, and when, they wouldn't be offering the Big10 more than what the SEC does, and sitting in on all these moves.

And football drives it all, no one cares how long our swimmers sit on a plane.

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Football and basketball pay for EVERYTHING. Baseball has the possibility to join those two in certain parts of the country but need more scholarships.

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And the Alston decision plus transformation frees up scholarships but puts further pressure via Title IX on other men's sports. And university budgets until baseball produces more revenue.

ESPN and the SEC conference office have made meaningful progress on increasing the standing and value of SEC men's basketball. Softball potentially is a money maker from TV revenue if you can match audiences with content (but if you've seen the lackluster ad content on most streaming services and noticed the collapse of both broadcast eyeballs and cable/streaming subscriber numbers you have to wonder whether the revenue as a whole can be carried by college sports….see aggiehawg's comments on why Broules felt the NFL and NBA in Texas was permanently impinging the SWC ticket revenue and likely limiting media revenue as a side effect.)

We are living the infamous "Chinese" blessing/curse: may you live in interesting times…

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If baseball was paying for one damn thing, CWS games wouldn't be at 1PM on a Tuesday.

No baseball team legit makes money. Maybe 1 or 2 Basketball teams do. Kentucky football makes 10 times what Kentucky basketball makes

I've said for years that football needs to break from all other sports. Let there be super conferences spread all across the country, who cares, huge money and 6-7 road games. All the other sports, go back to truly regional conferences, better competition, better local support, and far less expenses. There's no reason for womens soccer to be going to Florida for games when there's 8 schools within a couple hour drive that are just as competitive they could be playing.

How come water polo isn't a big money sport? Probably just hasn't been marketed right. And no tailgating traditions. This could be remedied.

I would think USC/UCLA are/were planning on the B1G grabbing a couple more from the west coast, ie Oregon/Washington.

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I would think USC/UCLA are/were planning on the B1G grabbing a couple more from the west coast, ie Oregon/Washington.

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If they were, should have locked that down.

The Big69 must work!

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You realize they said that about us, right? Sending our volleyball, baseball, softball teams to Florida and Georgia was just gonna kill it all. We didn't have a gymnastics team to fit in with the SEC. Disaster, would never work. Same thing you just said.

The message board warrior argument defending that, was that sending them to Florida/Georgia, vs Ames Iowa and Manhattan KS wasn't different. Do it.

So now, you think spending 60 extra minutes on a plane is different for all the fringe teams?

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College Station to Gainesville is 980 miles
Los Angeles to NYC (Rutgers) is 2,800 miles.

A 3x distance factor is a little different.

All of the above aside, it's simply a bad fit. UCLA and USC combined draw about 40k for home games. Their "base" is apathetic and when the network starts getting numbers for a late night Big10 game on the west coast and realize they're paying big money for that crap show heads will roll.

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All of the above aside, it's simply a bad fit. UCLA and USC combined draw about 40k for home games. Their "base" is apathetic and when the network starts getting numbers for a late night Big10 game on the west coast and realize they're paying big money for that crap show heads will roll.

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One of the reasons I think the potential ad revenue may be overblown. Sure advertisers pay good money for exposure in large markets but only if the eyeballs actually are watching.

Might as well be spending money on the Watching Paint Dry Network.

The prediction is that the PAC regional networks (if the PAC still exists) will be streaming only in a future rights deal.

From USC/UCLA thread.

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The events of the last few days left the Pac-12's future in doubt. I can't help but wonder about the conference's woeful decision under former commissioner Larry Scott in late 2018 to reject ESPN's offer to extend their current media rights deal and take over management and distribution of the Pac-12 Networks. That deal would have extended into the 2030s and locked USC and UCLA into the conference.


At the time Scott said he thought it was best to wait to the end of the current deal. He didn't want the conference to miss out on what might be a much larger windfall in the next round of media rights negotiations. Now, the Pac-12 finds itself in a scramble.

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I remember when the Big East turned up their noses at a new contract worth a billion years back. Thought they would get a better deal if they held out. Didn't work out well for them.

Now, having ESPN take on the management and distribution for network might have cost some money but not when put into comparison with the numbers generated by much greater distribution. The lack of carriage has been the biggest issue since the PAC Network was formed. Bad business model.

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The logistics are crazy. The athletics teams will need a major overhaul. USC/UCLA MEN have volleyball and water polo Big 10 doesn't . Big 10 has Gymnastics ,Ice Hockey, Lacrosse, Swimming and Diving and wrestling. those schools don't . USC/UCLA WOMEN have beach volleyball and the Big 10 doesn't. Big 10 WOMEN have Lacrosse, field hockey and water polo and those schools don't . Title IX? Traveling expenses. Game time slots for football game? The non football schools will drain money from the budget. The new TV revenue will really have to make sense for this to work. I don't see it.

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The decision is only being driven by football, the rest doesn't matter. The will have to deal with it or compete in other leagues / conferences for their sport.

Really for the two LA schools only football and basketball should make the switch, all the other teams should compete in CA and on the west coast. But I've argued that model even for the SEC as well.

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I would think USC/UCLA are/were planning on the B1G grabbing a couple more from the west coast, ie Oregon/Washington.

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If they were, should have locked that down.

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I think there has been a B1G pause to gauge the Notre Dame response meter with respect to the USC/UCLA add, and with respect to the possible development of 2 major conferences.

As anyone who has been alive for several decades would know, the Do-Nothing Domers are unmoved and without response, according to recent press releases.

The B1G should go ahead and sign up Oregon/Washington, and wait to see how North Carolina and Virginia can free themselves. Because both of those want B1G, whether we like it or not.

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I would think USC/UCLA are/were planning on the B1G grabbing a couple more from the west coast, ie Oregon/Washington.

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If they were, should have locked that down.

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I think there has been a B1G pause to gauge the Notre Dame response meter with respect to the USC/UCLA add, and with respect to the possible development of 2 major conferences.

As anyone who has been alive for several decades would know, the Do-Nothing Domers are unmoved and without response, according to recent press releases.

The B1G should go ahead and sign up Oregon/Washington, and wait to see how North Carolina and Virginia can free themselves. Because both of those want B1G, whether we like it or not.

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Everyone in the B1G would take a haircut by adding Ducks and Huskies. Need over 140 million in combined revenue to carry their weight.

Right now they combine for 50 million per year.

Read the article in the tweet.

Prior to the USC-UCLA desertion, the ex-President of Fox Sports Network anticipated the Pac-12 would land a media deal in the neighborhood of $500 million per-year.

The new valuation is a gut punch: https://t.co/28CPJAb7FF

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) July 3, 2022

That's worth taking the time to read.

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That's worth taking the time to read.

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It is interesting, even more so because the guy doing the analysis has such an extensive background doing just those deals in the past from Fox's perspective.

People always say that numbers don't lie but they sure can be massaged and bent a lot in the future estimated revenue stage.