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No to pods or 3 perm rivals

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hldr
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Hello -- Longtime lurker and former poster at agtimes.

I see much talk about pod system or 3 permanent rivals type scheduling. This will inherently favor some teams aka traditional powers and conference favorites. There is a too much chance for pod loading and sos mismatches. The most fair alignment would be a 2 division system of 9 conference games. 7 games within division and rotating 2 crossdivision. everyone plays each other every 4 years. Furthermore rank the divisions based on historical performance 1-8 and have the 2 cross division games "seeded" so that someone from the west doesnt play bama and georgia in the same season.

something like this:

1 bama
2 georgia
3 auburn
4 gator
4 vols
3 cocks
2 uk
1 vandy


1 lsu
2 A&M
3 land thieves
4 rebels
4 tu
3 state
2 arky
1 mizzou

Debate the ranking to your liking but in this scenario lsu and mizzou would play bama and vandy in year one. then in year two it would rotate georgia and kentucky. etc etc. this would keep cross division matchups interesting and level out sos to a degree. At the end of year 4 the home away location would flip. At the end of year 8 adjustments could be made.

I believe the only notable permanent game that isnt retained in this system in lsu - fla. not sure how much real history is there or if its a more recent thing.

Biggest concern is avoiding a system that has some teams playing completely softer schedules in a pod such as lsu, arky, rebel, state - which basically gives lsu an advantage. It will be hard to get it right in a pod or three permanent game scenerio without benefitting someone. And guess what ---- it wont be us!!!

Fire away
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Relative team strength will change. A few years ago, Auburn was a second tier team and Kentucky was essentially tied with Vandy. By all means, make sure nothing like Bama, Vandy, Mizzou, Miss St. happens, but as long as there are two upper tier teams and two lower tier teams in each pod (as there were in the sample pods presented when the tu/ou additions were announced) that will be fine.
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My only concern with the pods and "sticky" rivals (nothing is permanent after all) is all of them emphasize previous regional history and mention Texas, OU, Arkansas or Mizzou. At least with the non-pod sticky rivals at least I see some innovation and mentions of LSU at least.

I'd rather have basketball-style scheduling with a hard requirement we see every team home and home every four years. Put the best anticipated games in the upcoming schedule each year. Fold in maybe a single, long-term rivalry. Get those schools familiar with each other and don't let anyone hide from competition. Skew scheduling to best available games. And make sure the path validates the championship game and the winner being truly best.
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there should be no divisions. Just 3 permanent rivals and you rotate everyone else. top 2 at them end go to the championship.

Our rival should be LSU, tu. and probably Arkansas.
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Arrakis ecologist said:

there should be no divisions. Just 3 permanent rivals and you rotate everyone else. top 2 at them end go to the championship.

Our rival should be LSU, tu. and probably Arkansas.


Bana, LSU, and Auburn…
hldr
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so when ou ends up with tu, mizzou, and kentucky???

or

mizzou gets ou, arky, vandy??


just seem loaded to me and that ou gets a much easier path but hopefully it will all work out in the end.
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Pods aren't going to happen

It will be 3 permanent opponents
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We will be playing tu every year whether you like it or not. Most likely 3 permanent rivals and rotating the rest.
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greg.w.h said:

Arrakis ecologist said:

there should be no divisions. Just 3 permanent rivals and you rotate everyone else. top 2 at them end go to the championship.

Our rival should be LSU, tu. and probably Arkansas.


Bana, LSU, and Auburn…
What does my major have to do with this?
#FJB
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Since when does college football scheduling have anything what so ever to do with being fair? The SEC will do what they believe will generate the most revenue- short & long term.
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vander54 said:

We will be playing tu every year whether you like it or not. Most like 3 permanent rivals and rotating the rest.
If we are going to be in conference together we should play every year and we would as described in the op.
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Not calling you out. Just a general statement for the never again crowd.
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You don't make these decisions based on where teams are today. Bama used to be a very average team before Saban. Florida and Tenn were juggernauts. The problem with divisions is that it takes forever to rotate around and play everyone on the other side. Adding teams makes that problem worse. It already hardly feels like we are in the same conference as GA for example.
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Might need 4 permanents in Arky, sip, corndog and land thief every year… Unfortunately.
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Don't think OU will be our rival. Could see tu, Arky, and LSU
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Coaches aren't going to agree to 9 games until playoff is expanded, just too much of a meet grinder and they like their jobs.
hldr
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rootube said:

You don't make these decisions based on where teams are today. Bama used to be a very average team before Saban. Florida and Tenn were juggernauts. The problem with divisions is that it takes forever to rotate around and play everyone on the other side. Adding teams makes that problem worse. It already hardly feels like we are in the same conference as GA for example.
the permanent cross div rival has been a kludge for us especially. When we entered the SEC I believe we had to play mizzou for several years til they could fix the schedule. But, if bama and auburn moved east and mizzou came west with tu and ou then cross div rivalry wouldn't be necessary. swampcat might complain about losing bama and gator annually but they would swap them in alternating years so every year they would get one of the two.

In this format you play everyone every 4 years and there is no cherry picking 3 permanent rivals. I saw one corndog suggest their three would be pig, ole miss, and state. another cake walk was ou getting tu, mizzou and kentucky (maybe it was vandy).
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Aren't three permanent rivals and pods the same thing?
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No. In a pod all the teams play each other but with three permanent rivals they can mix and match. So we can have tu, Arky, and LSU as rivals but tu can have us, OU, and Arky.
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fightintxaggie10 said:

Aren't three permanent rivals and pods the same thing?
yes
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A 9 game schedule with the goal of playing every team home and away every 4 years is easy. 3 teams you play every year
And the other 12 you play every other year alternating home and away. 36 total games but that means some rivalries won't happen every year. And some years you get a tougher schedule due to changes in the relative strengths of teams.

A sample year 1 schedule for Texas Ags:
Home - Bama, Ark, ou, Kent, Vandy
Road - Aub, Florida, tu, miss state.

Year 2
Home - Aub, Georgia, Tenn, SC
Road - Bama, Ark, LSU, miss, Mizzu

We would play Bama, auburn and Ark every year.
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A is A said:

fightintxaggie10 said:

Aren't three permanent rivals and pods the same thing?
yes

No
vander54
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No they aren't
CapCityAg89
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Hate this idea. Gainesville, Nashville only once every eight years?! Have we ever even played in Lexington? In 10 years?

3+6 is an easy winner. LSU, Texas and Pig every year. An away game at every sec school every four years. That last obviously gives a student the ability to hit every school if they'd like.
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15 game schedule with BDF style championship game or GTFO!
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nbaker2022 said:

A is A said:

fightintxaggie10 said:

Aren't three permanent rivals and pods the same thing?
yes

No


Same but different
MaroonStain
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LSU Florida is in jeopardy. Little t tigers want to play sips every year. Let these two be rivals.

Ags versus Auburn as West rivals and Ags versus SCar as cross division rivals works for me.
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Bonzer103 said:

nbaker2022 said:

A is A said:

fightintxaggie10 said:

Aren't three permanent rivals and pods the same thing?
yes

No


Same but different


Not the same and different
greg.w.h
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

greg.w.h said:

Arrakis ecologist said:

there should be no divisions. Just 3 permanent rivals and you rotate everyone else. top 2 at them end go to the championship.

Our rival should be LSU, tu. and probably Arkansas.


Bana, LSU, and Auburn…
What does my major have to do with this?
You figure out what makes the most money…
hldr
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CapCityAg89 said:

Hate this idea. Gainesville, Nashville only once every eight years?! Have we ever even played in Lexington? In 10 years?

3+6 is an easy winner. LSU, Texas and Pig every year. An away game at every sec school every four years. That last obviously gives a student the ability to hit every school if they'd like.
that's understandable if you are the type who goes to all away games. And hey --- you guys do keep the lights on at Kyle. But, id say those types are a small number -- but i do know and tailgate with some that do.

In the end - I think 9 games is inevitable.
West Point Aggie
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Jesus Elizabeth Christ…how many threads about the same ****ing thing can there be?'
Let’s Go Brandon!
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I don't really care about pods; but...

1. A&M and Texas should play every year
2. The SEC should play a minimum of 9 conference games per year
3. SEC teams should be allowed only 1 non-P5 opponent per year (no more FCS games)

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vander54 said:

Bonzer103 said:

nbaker2022 said:

A is A said:

fightintxaggie10 said:

Aren't three permanent rivals and pods the same thing?
yes

No


Same but different


Not the same and different


Not the same. Very different.

In a pod, if we had Texas, lsu, and Arkansas, all 3 would play each other as well.

In a permanent rival setting, we would be most likely to play Texas, lsu, and Arkansas. Texas would likely play us, Oklahoma , one other team (id guess Arkansas), but not lsu. We wouldn't play Oklahoma. Lsu would play bama for sure, likely Arkansas and us, but not Texas and ou
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