I am deeply frustrated and quite angry that the SEC allowed Ou and tu to beg for admittance.
The sips have not been good since Mack left and ou can't win in the playoffs.

Once it is a done deal amd they are on our schedule I pray we depants them for the first couple of years and then find a way to win 9 of 12 onward.

They have lost relevance and everyone knows it. Crawling into our SEC shadow and validating our move will not be enough. When the SEC kindly tells them to sit down and be quiet every time they ask for a bathroom pass it will be glorious.

Jimbo is going to run off Sark and Riley as the fans incessantly demand an SEC coach.

Our game will be known as Vendetta and folks will claim the towel should have been thrown. but
The state of Texas original and oldest SEC program will continue to thrive...alone.

kcuF them!!

2025 minus 2021 = 4 years

Unless the Big XII-II collapses before 2025--and I doubt the 8 BDF teams who are not the sips nor the land thieves will want to lose current conference revenue before that time--then there will be no changes to the SEC until after the current freshman class is scheduled to graduate.

Quite a bit can change in college football in the next four years before the sips and land thieves ever make it to the SEC. Until then, let's just focus on supporting our Aggies winning on the gridiron.

Gig 'em!

Conclusion: I am feeling the hate...... and I'm liking it!



disclaimer: It is best if tu & ou stay away from the SEC, but they aren't, so let's get on with it.

I've always found it odd that Mack Brown gets such accolades for being such a "class act" in 1999.

I'm sure he's a good guy and all, but what kind of monster would you have to be to respond differently?

there is no way texas and ou stay until the GoR expires. Most likely the conference implodes after this season or they pay the buy out, second most likely is they stay for next season but no way it goes beyond that.

Where did I claim to think realignment is about football???!

I am discussing their irrelevance and their admittance that we were right, and what I hope occurs moving forward.

LatinAggie1997 said:

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Where did I claim to think realignment is about football???!

I am discussing their irrelevance and their admittance that we were right, and what I hope occurs moving forward.

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I'll quote your post for you. It's full of references to winning games.

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I am deeply frustrated and quite angry that the SEC allowed Ou and tu to beg for admittance.
The sips have not been good since Mack left and ou can't win in the playoffs.

Once it is a done deal amd they are on our schedule I pray we depants them for the first couple of years and then find a way to win 9 of 12 onward.

They have lost relevance and everyone knows it. Crawling into our SEC shadow and validating our move will not be enough. When the SEC kindly tells them to sit down and be quiet every time they ask for a bathroom pass it will be glorious.

Jimbo is going to run off Sark and Riley as the fans incessantly demand an SEC coach.

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You in fact are basing your opinion of worth to the SEC based solely on winning games in the recent past. Which is fine, it's your opinion, but that belies what you just claimed.

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there is no way texas and ou stay until the GoR expires. Most likely the conference implodes after this season or they pay the buy out, second most likely is they stay for next season but no way it goes beyond that.

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Where is this $160M coming from and what leads you to believe that the member institutions that are owed that money will back off that number by one penny?

That buyout money is more than any of them will see anytime soon. If I were them, I would just send invoices to Norman and Austin and not move an inch until its paid in full.

TxAgswin said:

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jb6092 said:

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there is no way texas and ou stay until the GoR expires. Most likely the conference implodes after this season or they pay the buy out, second most likely is they stay for next season but no way it goes beyond that.

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Where is this $160M coming from and what leads you to believe that the member institutions that are owed that money will back off that number by one penny?

That buyout money is more than any of them will see anytime soon. If I were them, I would just send invoices to Norman and Austin and not move an inch until its paid in full.

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I agree unless the B1G and the Pac 12 decide to expand immediately, the leftover 8's best option is to just sit and try to collect on the buyout. I do think the $80 million gets negotiated downward some. No one including ESPN will want litigation to go forward and they'll work it out.

Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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TxAgswin said:

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jb6092 said:

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there is no way texas and ou stay until the GoR expires. Most likely the conference implodes after this season or they pay the buy out, second most likely is they stay for next season but no way it goes beyond that.

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Where is this $160M coming from and what leads you to believe that the member institutions that are owed that money will back off that number by one penny?

That buyout money is more than any of them will see anytime soon. If I were them, I would just send invoices to Norman and Austin and not move an inch until its paid in full.

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I agree unless the B1G and the Pac 12 decide to expand immediately, the leftover 8's best option is to just sit and try to collect on the buyout. I do think the $80 million gets negotiated downward some. No one including ESPN will want litigation to go forward and they'll work it out.

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What is there to litigate?

Only in college athletics can the breaching party be the plaintiff.

TxAgswin said:

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What is there to litigate?

Only in college athletics can the breaching party be the plaintiff.

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I am not a lawyer, but I imagine it will go something like this:

Leftover 8 schools: OK, you're leaving, OU and Texas? Pay us our $160 million.

OU/Texas: No.

Leftover 8 schools: We'll sue.

OU/Texas: Talk to our lawyers.

Letters and phone calls ensue. Disney gets involved while being careful to avoid legal missteps.

Leftover 8 schools/OU/Texas: Let's talk about a lower number.

Deal gets worked out.

Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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TxAgswin said:

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What is there to litigate?

Only in college athletics can the breaching party be the plaintiff.

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I am not a lawyer, but I imagine it will go something like this:

Leftover 8 schools: OK, you're leaving, OU and Texas? Pay us our $160 million.

OU/Texas: No.

Leftover 8 schools: We'll sue.

OU/Texas: Talk to our lawyers.

Letters and phone calls ensue. Disney gets involved while being careful to avoid legal missteps.

Leftover 8 schools/OU/Texas: Let's talk about a lower number.

Deal gets worked out.

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If the leftovers don't have a landing spot that pays them what they make in the BigXII thru 2025, why would they settle for less to let OU and Texas out early? They don't lose Jack crap by making them stay in the conference until the GOR expires.

Stinky T said:

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If the leftovers don't have a landing spot that pays them what they make in the BigXII thru 2025, why would they settle for less to let OU and Texas out early? They don't lose Jack crap by making them stay in the conference until the GOR expires.

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Because even a discount will be better than protracted litigation that will tie up the energy of your key administrators with a settlement years in the horizon. And FOX and ESPN will get dragged into it so they will be motivated to help the two sides come together to end the disagreement.

The $80 million won't be the actual buyout figure. I have no inside information but that's my belief.

Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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Stinky T said:

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If the leftovers don't have a landing spot that pays them what they make in the BigXII thru 2025, why would they settle for less to let OU and Texas out early? They don't lose Jack crap by making them stay in the conference until the GOR expires.

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Because even a discount will be better than protracted litigation that will tie up the energy of your key administrators with a settlement years in the horizon. And FOX and ESPN will get dragged into it so they will be motivated to help the two sides come together to end the disagreement.

The $80 million won't be the actual buyout figure. I have no inside information but that's my belief.

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What they lose by ending the GOR will be way more than what litigation would cost. OU and Texas don't exactly have a position of strength in that litigation. There are going to be real damages to the other 8. I doubt they just bend over and take it just because you and others want them to.

Stinky T said:

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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Stinky T said:

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If the leftovers don't have a landing spot that pays them what they make in the BigXII thru 2025, why would they settle for less to let OU and Texas out early? They don't lose Jack crap by making them stay in the conference until the GOR expires.

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Because even a discount will be better than protracted litigation that will tie up the energy of your key administrators with a settlement years in the horizon. And FOX and ESPN will get dragged into it so they will be motivated to help the two sides come together to end the disagreement.

The $80 million won't be the actual buyout figure. I have no inside information but that's my belief.

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What they lose by ending the GOR will be way more than what litigation would cost. OU and Texas don't exactly have a position of strength in that litigation. There are going to be real damages to the other 8. I doubt they just bend over and take it just because you and others want them to.

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OK, man. I guess we'll see.

Ghost of Bizbee said:

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Much less about the game and much more about how Texas politicks behind closed doors.

They are a cancer to any conference, and that's not gonna change.

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This is the correct bigger concern.

Stinky T said:

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What they lose by ending the GOR will be way more than what litigation would cost. OU and Texas don't exactly have a position of strength in that litigation. There are going to be real damages to the other 8. I doubt they just bend over and take it just because you and others want them to.

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I just thought of another angle. Maybe some actual lawyers can chime in if they know. I recall LSU bailing out of an agreed series with A&M during the SWC days and Aggies saying LSU owed A&M millions for the breach.

Why didn't LSU have to pay up? Sovereign immunity? Something else?

I think what will happen is that the remaining 8 will

a) be searching for new landing spot quickly

b) ask 8 other schools going with them pronto and negotiate a lower buyout. Be the 2nd conference with 16

Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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Stinky T said:

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What they lose by ending the GOR will be way more than what litigation would cost. OU and Texas don't exactly have a position of strength in that litigation. There are going to be real damages to the other 8. I doubt they just bend over and take it just because you and others want them to.

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I just thought of another angle. Maybe some actual lawyers can chime in if they know. I recall LSU bailing out of an agreed series with A&M during the SWC days and Aggies saying LSU owed A&M millions for the breach.

Why didn't LSU have to pay up? Sovereign immunity? Something else?

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Because A&M replaced them with another game. There was not a lot to be claimed in damages. How are the remaining 8 going to replace what is lost in TV money? I'll answer it for you - they can't.

Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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Stinky T said:

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What they lose by ending the GOR will be way more than what litigation would cost. OU and Texas don't exactly have a position of strength in that litigation. There are going to be real damages to the other 8. I doubt they just bend over and take it just because you and others want them to.

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I just thought of another angle. Maybe some actual lawyers can chime in if they know. I recall LSU bailing out of an agreed series with A&M during the SWC days and Aggies saying LSU owed A&M millions for the breach.

Why didn't LSU have to pay up? Sovereign immunity? Something else?

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Contract had an out that allowed them to substitute an "equivalent" opponent. They offered UL Monroe. Of course that was not acceptable but in the end it was cheaper than legal fees to collect the $250K penalty.

Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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TxAgswin said:

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What is there to litigate?

Only in college athletics can the breaching party be the plaintiff.

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I am not a lawyer, but I imagine it will go something like this:

Leftover 8 schools: OK, you're leaving, OU and Texas? Pay us our $160 million.

OU/Texas: No.

Leftover 8 schools: We'll sue.

OU/Texas: Talk to our lawyers.

Letters and phone calls ensue. Disney gets involved while being careful to avoid legal missteps.

Leftover 8 schools/OU/Texas: Let's talk about a lower number.

Deal gets worked out.

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I'm not a lawyer either, so maybe one can come in and explain what the lawyers would be talking about.

What would be a plausible defense to simply not paying your contractual obligations?

Well, A&M didn't pay 100% of theirs, right?

Well, if I'm the BFD, I say "I'm not falling for that **** again. Look where it got me. Pay up if you wanna leave. I have a contract."

I'm disappointed in our leadership. Or should I say our leaderlessship. Knowing Texas A&M's creed, character , and honor it is evident those leading our institution are snowflake socialist who could not make a stand when it was needed.

Our hero's at the Alamo are puking from the ground With TAMU's history of leadership throughout their history, their decision is and insult and a turn of their backs on TAMU!

Everyone of those communist must be removed !!!'

Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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LatinAggie1997 said:

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Where did I claim to think realignment is about football???!

I am discussing their irrelevance and their admittance that we were right, and what I hope occurs moving forward.

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I'll quote your post for you. It's full of references to winning games.

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I am deeply frustrated and quite angry that the SEC allowed Ou and tu to beg for admittance.
The sips have not been good since Mack left and ou can't win in the playoffs.

Once it is a done deal amd they are on our schedule I pray we depants them for the first couple of years and then find a way to win 9 of 12 onward.

They have lost relevance and everyone knows it. Crawling into our SEC shadow and validating our move will not be enough. When the SEC kindly tells them to sit down and be quiet every time they ask for a bathroom pass it will be glorious.

Jimbo is going to run off Sark and Riley as the fans incessantly demand an SEC coach.

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You in fact are basing your opinion of worth to the SEC based solely on winning games in the recent past. Which is fine, it's your opinion, but that belies what you just claimed.

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Good grief you are next level touched.

You actually believe you KNOW what I'm thinking on a tangential topic?!

I made a comment. I listed facts and hopes.
Nowhere in this post do I allude to an opinion on worth as it relates to the SEC decision. I did explain that sippy knows we were right and that they should follow. I did mention sippy hasn't been good for a while. I did mention I hope we annihilate them for a long time. I did mention I hope Jimbo runs off their coaches. None of that, zero, pertains to why I believe the SEC allowed them into the conference.

Stinky T said:

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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TxAgswin said:

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What is there to litigate?

Only in college athletics can the breaching party be the plaintiff.

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I am not a lawyer, but I imagine it will go something like this:

Leftover 8 schools: OK, you're leaving, OU and Texas? Pay us our $160 million.

OU/Texas: No.

Leftover 8 schools: We'll sue.

OU/Texas: Talk to our lawyers.

Letters and phone calls ensue. Disney gets involved while being careful to avoid legal missteps.

Leftover 8 schools/OU/Texas: Let's talk about a lower number.

Deal gets worked out.

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If the leftovers don't have a landing spot that pays them what they make in the BigXII thru 2025, why would they settle for less to let OU and Texas out early? They don't lose Jack crap by making them stay in the conference until the GOR expires.

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Well I am an attorney, and if the Big Dumpster Fire were my clients, I would include legal interest on the $160 million amount from date of demand, attorneys fees, court costs, AND any other damages/ penalties allowed by state/ federal law &/or stipulated in the agreement. That way, protracted litigation (irrespective if Disney is involved) still keeps the meter running; accordingly, only t.u./ ou have an incentive to settle- especially since the contractual amount isn't in dispute.

TxAgswin said:

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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TxAgswin said:

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What is there to litigate?

Only in college athletics can the breaching party be the plaintiff.

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I am not a lawyer, but I imagine it will go something like this:

Leftover 8 schools: OK, you're leaving, OU and Texas? Pay us our $160 million.

OU/Texas: No.

Leftover 8 schools: We'll sue.

OU/Texas: Talk to our lawyers.

Letters and phone calls ensue. Disney gets involved while being careful to avoid legal missteps.

Leftover 8 schools/OU/Texas: Let's talk about a lower number.

Deal gets worked out.

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I'm not a lawyer either, so maybe one can come in and explain what the lawyers would be talking about.

What would be a plausible defense to simply not paying your contractual obligations?

Well, A&M didn't pay 100% of theirs, right?

Well, if I'm the BFD, I say "I'm not falling for that **** again. Look where it got me. Pay up if you wanna leave. I have a contract."

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They let us out with a reduced buyout because the BigXII media partners agreed to keep the rest of the members' payout unchanged. That is not very likely to happen this time.

If cow and OU want to negotiate a settlement and get out early, it is actually going to be MORE than the 2 year ~ $72 mill. exit fee., likley substantially more. t.u. and OU have forfeited their share of Big 12 distributions until they exit the conference. That is an additional $72 mill. per year total between the two of them, each year.

The Big 12 members should stand pat and collect every penny and hold them hostage until 2025, which they can do even if they expand with new members though that would impact the yearly $ but not the exit fee penalty.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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If cow and OU want to negotiate a settlement and get out early, it is actually going to be MORE than the 2 year ~ $72 mill. exit fee., likley substantially more. t.u. and OU have forfeited their share of Big 12 distributions until they exit the conference. That is an additional $72 mill. per year total between the two of them, each year.

The Big 12 members should stand pat and collect every penny and hold them hostage until 2025, which they can do even if they expand with new members though that would impact the yearly $ but not the exit fee penalty.

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Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
:-)

The Big 12 Conference, Inc., Bylaws

Jarrin' Jay said:

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If cow and OU want to negotiate a settlement and get out early, it is actually going to be MORE than the 2 year ~ $72 mill. exit fee., likley substantially more. t.u. and OU have forfeited their share of Big 12 distributions until they exit the conference. That is an additional $72 mill. per year total between the two of them, each year.

The Big 12 members should stand pat and collect every penny and hold them hostage until 2025, which they can do even if they expand with new members though that would impact the yearly $ but not the exit fee penalty.

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Ding! Yessir!

And the Big 12 - 2 - 2, or the LDF (Little Dumpster Fire) can go shopping with tu's money. Go on offense. Nothing to lose here. I wonder if South Bend would be interested in getting $100 million check and basically run the conference the same way the sips did.

Is that outside the box? Yes. Am I drunk? Yeah, a little.

TxAgswin said:

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I've always found it odd that Mack Brown gets such accolades for being such a "class act" in 1999.

I'm sure he's a good guy and all, but what kind of monster would you have to be to respond differently?

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Mike Leach

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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Stinky T said:

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What they lose by ending the GOR will be way more than what litigation would cost. OU and Texas don't exactly have a position of strength in that litigation. There are going to be real damages to the other 8. I doubt they just bend over and take it just because you and others want them to.

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I just thought of another angle. Maybe some actual lawyers can chime in if they know. I recall LSU bailing out of an agreed series with A&M during the SWC days and Aggies saying LSU owed A&M millions for the breach.

Why didn't LSU have to pay up? Sovereign immunity? Something else?

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Yes, LSU bailed out of playing A&M because they had lost like 5 out of last 6 or 7 games between the two. They were tired of losing to the Aggies.

LatinAggie1997 said:

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I am deeply frustrated and quite angry that the SEC allowed Ou and tu to beg for admittance.
The sips have not been good since Mack left and ou can't win in the playoffs.

Once it is a done deal amd they are on our schedule I pray we depants them for the first couple of years and then find a way to win 9 of 12 onward.

They have lost relevance and everyone knows it. Crawling into our SEC shadow and validating our move will not be enough. When the SEC kindly tells them to sit down and be quiet every time they ask for a bathroom pass it will be glorious.

Jimbo is going to run off Sark and Riley as the fans incessantly demand an SEC coach.

Our game will be known as Vendetta and folks will claim the towel should have been thrown. but
The state of Texas original and oldest SEC program will continue to thrive...alone.

kcuF them!!

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Everything I've heard seems to indicate the SEC was the instigator behind the scenes of this move not the other way around? In the immortal words of one of your very own: "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it,"

LatinAggie1997 said:

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I am deeply frustrated and quite angry that the SEC allowed Ou and tu to beg for admittance.

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Shouldn't you be deeply frustrated that A&M voted "yes" to allow them in?