Let's see how this goes

Not to derail, but we haven't heard from RC on the picks by the CFP committee. Do y'all think we will?

okay, Castiglione cycled off, so that's good

Maybe there is a grassy knoll on his daily commute? (joke)

Shoefly! said:

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Not to derail, but we haven't heard from RC on the picks by the CFP committee. Do y'all think we will?

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He posted on premium about the process.

Shoefly! said:

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Not to derail, but we haven't heard from RC on the picks by the CFP committee. Do y'all think we will?

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RC is too nice of a guy to have been on there. It sounds like he agreed with ND getting in over us according to his post on premium.

Shoefly! said:

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Not to derail, but we haven't heard from RC on the picks by the CFP committee. Do y'all think we will?

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No, why would we? He wasn't supposed to be in the room while we were discussed. You want to hear that he likes us or something? "This just in... former A&M head coach R.C. Slocum likes A&M." Admittedly pretty hard hitting stuff.

If you read Texags, you would know that in college fb, every week is a playoff, so just go undefeated as a P5 school, and you will be in the playoffs.

This should make no difference, and he wasn't on this past year and it didn't matter.

They should have just kept the BCS ranking system when they went to playoffs. The committee has picked the exact same way the BCS system would have every year anyway. But to think the decision should be left to just a few people in a closed room is insane.

The chair rigged the process. The first vote was to bid bama and Clemson. The second vote was to narrow the last 2 down to A&M, tOSU, and ND. That way, rc was not in the room to point out the weaknesses of the other 2.

They never had a honest discussion about how hollow NDs "signature " win over Clemson was or how weak tOSUs schedule was.

And yes, we better believe cdc will do anything to screw us. He must be stopped at all cost, should we get close.

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I have to admit I started this thread hoping you'd drop by. For the record you are 100% correct and no one should forget the general nature of this

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The people's champ.

24 team playoff and we can stop this nonsense once and for all.

rootube said:

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24 team playoff and we can stop this nonsense once and for all.

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That.... is stupid. Do we really need an 8-4 PAC team in the playoffs? There is a HUGE drop off in quality from the top 4 to outside the top 10.

It will expand to 8 and 8 only and have a ranking qualification, P5 champs, highest ranked G5 team, + 2 at-large but all will have to be ranked in Top 12 or 14. The CFP is not going to let a 9-3 PAC or little 12 champ in if they are ranked #16...

Even at 8, although there will be some upsets, it is going to be extremely rare that 8 beats 1 or 7 beats 2, it will play out that the Top 5 teams win 95%+ of the first round CFP games.

Re: Del Conte being on the CFP committee. I have always felt that in addition to having to recuse if you are affiliated with a school (re: RC and A&M), you should also be recused if you are a direct rival of a team under consideration, and that could be determined not solely on if those teams play but also if there is proximity of 120 miles or less (i.e. cow or baylor to A&M, UCLA to USC, Mich. to Mich. State, etc.). Somewhat like Olympic scoring, remove two votes and the rest should stand as independent, in theory.

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rootube said:

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24 team playoff and we can stop this nonsense once and for all.

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That.... is stupid. Do we really need an 8-4 PAC team in the playoffs? There is a HUGE drop off in quality from the top 4 to outside the top 10.

It will expand to 8 and 8 only and have a ranking qualification, P5 champs, highest ranked G5 team, + 2 at-large but all will have to be ranked in Top 12 or 14. The CFP is not going go let a 9-3 PAC or little 12 champ on if they are ranked #16...

Even at 8, although there will be some upsets, it is going to be extremely rare that 8 beats 1 or 7 beats 2, it will play out that the Top 5 teams win 95%+ of the first round CFP games.

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Agree with 8. Disagree with auto bids for conference champs.

But eight removes substantial power from the committee. It also provides more weight to other polls simply by comparison.

The real issue is how to correctly rank the -0 records. Ohio State was much better than the ACC schools and at least one of them (Clemson delivering a later loss arguably was the better team) deserved be there. But if we are honest the lack of inter conference games among the P5 was a source of tremendous lack of perspective and the committee used that to seed arguably the best traditional schools with the much larger audiences. The NCAA MBB selection committee does the same thing but it is to keep peace with the Basketball P6 conferences while maximizing revenue.

The CFP is owned by the P5 conferences. The selection committee is accountable only to those conferences but defense against anti-trust charges is important hence the GoF distribution and the notional semi invite and actual NY6 invite.

Merely expanding will cure a lot. Just a little. Being forced by fan expectations also helps. Most of the schools are public and therefore accountable to the public in the states where they are funded in part by local taxpayers.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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rootube said:

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24 team playoff and we can stop this nonsense once and for all.

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That.... is stupid. Do we really need an 8-4 PAC team in the playoffs? There is a HUGE drop off in quality from the top 4 to outside the top 10.

It will expand to 8 and 8 only and have a ranking qualification, P5 champs, highest ranked G5 team, + 2 at-large but all will have to be ranked in Top 12 or 14. The CFP is not going to let a 9-3 PAC or little 12 champ in if they are ranked #16...

Even at 8, although there will be some upsets, it is going to be extremely rare that 8 beats 1 or 7 beats 2, it will play out that the Top 5 teams win 95%+ of the first round CFP games.

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That's the point - let the play on the field actually determine it, not a bunch of stiffs in a room that lobby and finagle to keep blue bloods relevant.

I simply fail to understand why there is so much push against an actual playoff in literally the only NCAA sport that doesn't have a legitimate playoff. It is truly a mystery to me.

I like auto bids for conference champs. That puts high value on being a conference champion, and makes each CCG that much more important in the overall playoff picture. Winning your conference is a big deal, even in conferences that are down. There should be a reward for it IMO, just like there is in other sports.

If a conference champ isn't up to muster, they will be shown the door early in the playoffs as a result. And if a 9-3 team gets hot at the end of the season and runs the table, then they deserve to be national champions. Same as in basketball or baseball or any other sport out there.

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I like auto bids for conference champs. That puts high value on being a conference champion, and makes each CCG that much more important in the overall playoff picture. Winning your conference is a big deal, even in conferences that are down. There should be a reward for it IMO, just like there is in other sports.

If a conference champ isn't up to muster, they will be shown the door early in the playoffs as a result. And if a 9-3 team gets hot at the end of the season and runs the table, then they deserve to be national champions. Same as in basketball or baseball or any other sport out there.

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There is no way that Oregon this years should have been deserving of the playoff spots and the underlying assumption about automatic bids is false. Not all conferences are created equal. Teams that skate on Arizona or Kansas St should not get in over the SECW runner up just based on schedule alone.

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ADs should not be on the playoff committee.

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Agree. No currently employed member of any institution should be on the committee at all. At least make it appear to be impartial and neutral. As it stands, it isn't anywhere close.

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I wouldn't mind if it was made up of NFL scouts, as they likely are most interested in quality football, and certainly have watched many games.

It didn't matter. They were going to rig for the result with or without RC. RC could have forced them to look at him and refuse to answer or give a false answer to his questions, but they had their eyes on the prize.

RC decided to keep his powder dry. Did it do it strategically or out of fear? We'll probably never know.

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schmellba99 said:

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I like auto bids for conference champs. That puts high value on being a conference champion, and makes each CCG that much more important in the overall playoff picture. Winning your conference is a big deal, even in conferences that are down. There should be a reward for it IMO, just like there is in other sports.

If a conference champ isn't up to muster, they will be shown the door early in the playoffs as a result. And if a 9-3 team gets hot at the end of the season and runs the table, then they deserve to be national champions. Same as in basketball or baseball or any other sport out there.

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There is no way that Oregon this years should have been deserving of the playoff spots and the underlying assumption about automatic bids is false. Not all conferences are created equal. Teams that skate on Arizona or Kansas St should not get in over the SECW runner up just based on schedule alone.

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Agree to disagree. Conference championships should have significant weight and meaning, and from that point on the play on the field makes the determination as to who makes it to the next round and who doesn't.

There is, and always has been, way too much human bias in D1 football rankings. Enough with that garbage. Again, I don't see how anybody can look at literally every other sport and see how their playoff systems work - and have worked forever and a day - and then say "welp! Won't work in D1 football, let's keep doing the same old stupid argument year in and year out!".

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Isn't this the type of thing we're worried about Del Conte doing?

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Yes. He will politic however he can to keep us out.

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hunter2012 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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I like auto bids for conference champs. That puts high value on being a conference champion, and makes each CCG that much more important in the overall playoff picture. Winning your conference is a big deal, even in conferences that are down. There should be a reward for it IMO, just like there is in other sports.

If a conference champ isn't up to muster, they will be shown the door early in the playoffs as a result. And if a 9-3 team gets hot at the end of the season and runs the table, then they deserve to be national champions. Same as in basketball or baseball or any other sport out there.

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There is no way that Oregon this years should have been deserving of the playoff spots and the underlying assumption about automatic bids is false. Not all conferences are created equal. Teams that skate on Arizona or Kansas St should not get in over the SECW runner up just based on schedule alone.

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Agree to disagree. Conference championships should have significant weight and meaning, and from that point on the play on the field makes the determination as to who makes it to the next round and who doesn't.

There is, and always has been, way too much human bias in D1 football rankings. Enough with that garbage. Again, I don't see how anybody can look at literally every other sport and see how their playoff systems work - and have worked forever and a day - and then say "welp! Won't work in D1 football, let's keep doing the same old stupid argument year in and year out!".

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Could not agree more. It solves the problem of non P5 teams, it solves the problem of conference strength disparities, and the problems are all settled where they belong on the field and not in a committee. It creates more and actual meaningful games in the postseason. We literally created a system to ensure Notre Dame does not get left out and then scratch our heads when they get in when they shouldn't. Stop the insanity now.

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Isn't this the type of thing we're worried about Del Conte doing?

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Yes. He will politic however he can to keep us out.

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All day long. For a recruiting advantage (or minimizing disadvantage) whether he cares about any rivalry or not.

It cannot be good he's there.