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If Clemson beats ND by 14 or less, do we jump them?

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Randall Floyd
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Assuming we win out, Bama beats FL, OSU is eligible...

That game looks like our only path in unless OSU drops a game
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No. The narrative will be they were closer against Clemson than we were against Bama. Plus they will have beaten partial Clemson which will compare to Florida and UNC which will compare to Auburn. In that scenario we could have used a non-conference season so we would be beating 7-3 LSU and 7-3 Auburn, etc.... instead of teams devalued because they are .500.
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It's not going to be by a certain point total... it's going to be the overall appearance of ND against a full strength Clemson. History says that the ACC champ game is basically a play in game and the loser is out.

However, with COVID affecting so many things, it's not out of the question that it ends up being 2 ACC and 2 SEC teams this year.

Our worst case scenario is still a 9-1 Florida beating a 10-0 Bama. If that happens, Florida and Bama are both guaranteed to be in, because Bama has looked so strong and we lost bad to them...
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Just throwing it out there but it isn't impossible for notre dame to beat Clemson again. In their first game the backup threw for approximately 450 yards and multiple touchdowns. I am not saying Lawrence would not have been better but if memory serves me correctly the issues Clemson has with notre dame is they could not stop notre dame offense. Not quarterback play. Clemson would and should be favored but I would not be shocked to see notre dame win again. Which would be good for the Ags assuming we win out.
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We need either a Notre Dame win or Clemson to win by a bunch.

1 loss Notre Dame will be ranked higher than 1 loss A&M, unless they get absolutely killed.

2 loss Clemson will be behind us.

If the Clemson barely beats ND, both will be ranked higher afterwards
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On that note, this is an interesting thought:

If Clemson beats ND, let's say, by a last second FG and Florida beats Bama, then obviously we are out. But, who gets the 4th spot at that point? ND? Bama?

What a mess.
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WhataMaroon88 said:

On that note, this is an interesting thought:

If Clemson beats ND, let's say, by a last second FG and Florida beats Bama, then obviously we are out. But, who gets the 4th spot at that point? ND? Bama?

What a mess.


Florida, Clemson, Bama, ND.
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EKUAg said:

WhataMaroon88 said:

On that note, this is an interesting thought:

If Clemson beats ND, let's say, by a last second FG and Florida beats Bama, then obviously we are out. But, who gets the 4th spot at that point? ND? Bama?

What a mess.


Florida, Clemson, Bama, ND.
Yeah I think so... would def push tOSU and A&M out.
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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

Just throwing it out there but it isn't impossible for notre dame to beat Clemson again. In their first game the backup threw for approximately 450 yards and multiple touchdowns. I am not saying Lawrence would not have been better but if memory serves me correctly the issues Clemson has with notre dame is they could not stop notre dame offense. Not quarterback play. Clemson would and should be favored but I would not be shocked to see notre dame win again. Which would be good for the Ags assuming we win out.


I believe Clemson had 3 starters out on defense due to covid. Everyone focuses on Lawrence's absence, but the Clemson D at full strength will likely make more of an impact in the rematch
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The answer imo is no. A one
Loss Clemson gets in over one loss A & M, especially since the one loss was without their star QB. Had we played Bama closer then it's more arguable but we didn't.

It's a good point that Clemson was missing more than just Lawrence. Having said that they would have won with Lawrence.
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No really just about points, but game control so I believe original question is misleading.

Say Clemson is clearly better team and up 38-17 and ND gets garbage TD with under 2 minutes to play. If you look at score in the paper you might not think it was that bad but in reality, Clemson dominated.
Randall Floyd
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March - Well stated...

That's really the question as a likely scenario is Clem beats ND by a TD or two...Say 34-27...If that happens, looks like from the responses that will keep us out.

The likely, almost only, path in is if ND beats Clemson, Bama over FL, we win out
merch
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If happens the way I illustrated it, you cannot put ND ahead of ATM.

If it is close throughout and it is 14 point Clemson win that is really tough call but would tend to agree Committee would love ND in playoff.

ND has somewhat Johnny like QB...his improvisational skills can get him in trouble though. If he is off or risks don't pan out, Clemson could win big. If he plays ok, not likely ND gets blown out, but not likely they win either.
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I think we've got a good shot. Their win at home over ND kinda loses A LOT of credibility when Clemson wins by 14 at a neutral site with their QB back.
NyAggie
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Quote:

1 loss Notre Dame will be ranked higher than 1 loss A&M, unless they get absolutely killed.


You can't say that with absolute certainty. No one really knows what the committee will do in that scenario: we think that's how it could play out but the committee just might consider that a play in game with the loser out
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No
A&M is not jumping a 1 loss Notre Dame

If you think that's possible you have not followed college football very long

BigSneezy
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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

Just throwing it out there but it isn't impossible for notre dame to beat Clemson again. In their first game the backup threw for approximately 450 yards and multiple touchdowns. I am not saying Lawrence would not have been better but if memory serves me correctly the issues Clemson has with notre dame is they could not stop notre dame offense. Not quarterback play. Clemson would and should be favored but I would not be shocked to see notre dame win again. Which would be good for the Ags assuming we win out.


Yes it is. It's impossible. It was a two OT game without Lawrence. There's absolutely no way ND wins. You can wish, hope and pray. But it's not gonna happen.

But if it does, I will happily eat crow.
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Aggie said:

No
A&M is not jumping a 1 loss Notre Dame

If you think that's possible you have not followed college football very long


If ND's loss is by 50 to Clemson then maybe
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Not unless we win the rest of our games by 25+ points. And even then would need ND losing by 25+.
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ND could in fact best Clemson again. Easy to blame the loss on Lawrence but his absence was not a factor.

What was a factor was Clemson's inability to run the football, to take care of the football and to stop ND's offense.

Clemson will be favored in the rematch due to neutral site and "return of Lawrence" but result is not forgone, in my view.
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ND must beat Clemson for that scenario to work out.
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InMyOpinion
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Go Syracuse !!! The still play ND this weekend right?
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If we control Auburn, we could see an eventual final CFP ranking of Bama, Clemson, Texas A&M and Ohio St in that order. In other words the committee could already have us in the top 4 whereby it will be Ohio St the team that would benefit the most from a Clemson beat down of Notre Dame.
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Maybe it's because I've been an Aggie for over 40 years now, but let's just take the one game at a time. Looking forward several games and assuming that they're all wins hasn't been too productive of an excercise in the past.
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WhataMaroon88 said:

It's not going to be by a certain point total... it's going to be the overall appearance of ND against a full strength Clemson. History says that the ACC champ game is basically a play in game and the loser is out.

However, with COVID affecting so many things, it's not out of the question that it ends up being 2 ACC and 2 SEC teams this year.

Our worst case scenario is still a 9-1 Florida beating a 10-0 Bama. If that happens, Florida and Bama are both guaranteed to be in, because Bama has looked so strong and we lost bad to them...


The play in game argument is flawed. We've never had 2 teams with only 1 loss come out of a championship game. This will be a new data point.
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knoxtom said:

If the Clemson barely beats ND, both will be ranked higher afterwards
The worst thing that could happen, regardless who wins, is a close game.
Ian Neff
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I understand that anything can happen. I get it.

But people who think Florida can actually beat BAMA are seeing things that I don't.

The chances of ND winning against a Lawrenced Clemson are far better.

Y'all better brace yourselves. We have a really good chance at this.

Unless of course we lose to Auburn. Which is, according to some on this board, is a likely outcome.

I'm telling you if that happens......

Apocalypse - and not the good kind. Nothing short of an Internet Meggido.
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Media and ncaa wants ND in. I think the playoff committee has historically done a good job blocking out a lot of that noise, but in this case, unless ND wins or they get boat raced (3 td or more), we aren't jumping.

I also read the big 10 is looking to change their rules so Ohio state gets in the big 10 championship game even if Michigan has too much COVID to play... so a 6-0 Ohio state fresh off a beat down of a ranked (but not very good) big 10 west team and name brand will likely keep them in top 4...

I think bama will beat Florida.

There are paths, but we need at least one event, each of which I consider unlikely, to occur. And unfortunately, I think our best chance is ND beating Clemson again with Trevor in the game, which I would not bet on...
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Clemson Tigers will SMOKE ND in rematch by at least 21! Mark it down.
ashley
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There is no way we look like a no. 4 team.
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