Wow. I'm done with you. You should be embarrassed.BJC said:
If you are not going to tell me yourself who and/or what you are in addition to your are being a an Aggie, why would I assume anything about who and/or what you are if I do not know you personally?
Do you know how I know you are talking from a base of pure ignorance? That was literally his point lol. The only people who think a man saying we are more than just our race and brothers are the racists here. Wtf is wrong with you pinkos these days?BJC said:
Nice deflection, but he could have just said, "Aggie" to make his point more valid. He did not and he embarrassed us Aggies, Texas A&M, and made himself appear to be racist (whether he is or not).
Perception may not always be reality, but optics cannot be overlooked.
Name-calling is not becoming of you....TxAg2012WC said:Do you know how I know you are talking from a base of pure ignorance? That was literally his point lol. The only people who think a man saying we are more than just our race and brothers are the racists here. Wtf is wrong with you pinkos these days?BJC said:
Nice deflection, but he could have just said, "Aggie" to make his point more valid. He did not and he embarrassed us Aggies, Texas A&M, and made himself appear to be racist (whether he is or not).
Perception may not always be reality, but optics cannot be overlooked.
Just like TAMC vs TAMU?haybob15 said:
We need to have a real discussion about Texas Aggie vs. Texas A&M Aggie.
WTF?Eagle78 said:
Even if he said "blackie" that's not necessarily racist. It depends on context and tone. Plus I would add I've heard black folks call caucasians "whitey" innumerable times over my life and no one has ever said that was racist.
haybob15, I will go next:haybob15 said:BJC said:Just like TAMC vs TAMU?haybob15 said:
We need to have a real discussion about Texas Aggie vs. Texas A&M Aggie.
Sure. I'll go first. One rhymes and the other doesn't.
BJC said:haybob15, I will go next:haybob15 said:BJC said:Just like TAMC vs TAMU?haybob15 said:
We need to have a real discussion about Texas Aggie vs. Texas A&M Aggie.
Sure. I'll go first. One rhymes and the other doesn't.
1. As a black African-American Former Student I cannot in good conscience sing:
"We are the Aggies, the Aggies are we...we're from Texas A-M-C", (rhyme)
because I would have been forbidden to attend the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas due to state law (during Jim Crow).
2. As a black African-American Former Student I am at liberty to sing:
"We are the Aggies, the Aggies so true...we're from Texas A-M-U", (rhyme)
because I voluntarily attended and graduated from Texas A&M University as state law permitted (after Jim Crow).
Jarrin' Jay,Jarrin' Jay said:BJC said:haybob15, I will go next:haybob15 said:BJC said:Just like TAMC vs TAMU?haybob15 said:
We need to have a real discussion about Texas Aggie vs. Texas A&M Aggie.
Sure. I'll go first. One rhymes and the other doesn't.
1. As a black African-American Former Student I cannot in good conscience sing:
"We are the Aggies, the Aggies are we...we're from Texas A-M-C", (rhyme)
because I would have been forbidden to attend the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas due to state law (during Jim Crow).
2. As a black African-American Former Student I am at liberty to sing:
"We are the Aggies, the Aggies so true...we're from Texas A-M-U", (rhyme)
because I voluntarily attended and graduated from Texas A&M University as state law permitted (after Jim Crow).
Totally understandable, though the same would have held for any public U. I am presuming. I prefer AMC but that is just because I'm old school, I would also like us to sing both verses of the War Hymn, which doesn't seem to be a popular opinion sadly given how great the lyrics are.
A general comment, it's 2020, Americans collectively need to drop the vernacular of African-American, unless one was born in Africa and then became an American citizen. It's high time we all identify as Americans, not African / Irish / Italian / British / German / Mexican - American, etc., etc. It would (or could / should) help if people chose not to identify themselves as some kind of separate class. You are an American with a different colored skin than I have as an American. No big deal. I get it that skin color can be used as an identifier, just like hair color, height, weight, etc. but that is different than saying X-American. My 2 pesos.
. Think about it then. Under your reasoning just referring to a person as black or as white is racist. It all depends on context and tone as to whether the description is racist or not. It may well be racist but not necessarily so.ColoradoMooseHerd said:WTF?Eagle78 said:
Even if he said "blackie" that's not necessarily racist. It depends on context and tone. Plus I would add I've heard black folks call caucasians "whitey" innumerable times over my life and no one has ever said that was racist.
Both situations are racist by a white person or a black person. Just because you did not complain or someone else did not complain to you does not make it "okay"
soto11,soto11 said:
I do not understand all the criticism of Mr. Leroy when the athletes used purposefully intimidating physical posturing of an elderly man. No way he did not feel threatened.
Their captured dialogue. From political board.
Ke'Shun Brown: Say it again I will slit you, I promise.
Infinite Tucker: **** all these pennies. Good luck to my dick.
And all y'all can complain about is "blaggies."
soto11 said:
I do not understand all the criticism of Mr. Leroy when the athletes used purposefully intimidating physical posturing of an elderly man. No way he did not feel threatened.
Their captured dialogue. From political board.
Ke'Shun Brown: Say it again I will slit you, I promise.
Infinite Tucker: **** all these pennies. Good luck to my dick.
And all y'all can complain about is "blaggies."
That is literally the point he was making. Do us all a favor and actually watch the whole video before you rant ad nauseam justifying your defense of a player telling another aggie he is going to stab him, simply because you care more about the player due to your own racism.BJC said:Name-calling is not becoming of you....TxAg2012WC said:Do you know how I know you are talking from a base of pure ignorance? That was literally his point lol. The only people who think a man saying we are more than just our race and brothers are the racists here. Wtf is wrong with you pinkos these days?BJC said:
Nice deflection, but he could have just said, "Aggie" to make his point more valid. He did not and he embarrassed us Aggies, Texas A&M, and made himself appear to be racist (whether he is or not).
Perception may not always be reality, but optics cannot be overlooked.
Liberal communist? I am very much far from being that due to my being an unaffiliated voter who votes on individual interests (such as lower property taxes, firearm rights, etc.) as opposed to party lines which is anathema to a staunch political party member.
I could be wrong, but it seems like that it probably troubles you that I am also very much just as much of a Fightin' Texas A&M Aggie as you, but my loyalty is with Texas A&M the institution itself, not some Old Ag who is nothing more than a (much older) Former Student. You can deflect and spin it how you want, but you still have to wonder what in the world was he thinking when he said, "blaggie" (as you would say it), when it had the strongest possibility of phonetically sounding like a racial epithet? Instead he should have said "Aggie" which would have validated his point even more and spared him the subsequent scrutiny that he has brought on all of us due to the bad optics via bad phonetics.
If you do not want to be perceived as a racist, then it would behoove you to not at least sound like one or even come close to that; again, a grossly missed opportunity by an Old Army Ag to show leadership to New Army Ags in a time of crisis.
So you think calling someone Blackie or Whitey is the same as calling someone Black or White? Either you are only being a troll or you are a dumbassEagle78 said:. Think about it then. Under your reasoning just referring to a person as black or as white is racist. It all depends on context and tone as to whether the description is racist or not. It may well be racist but not necessarily so.ColoradoMooseHerd said:WTF?Eagle78 said:
Even if he said "blackie" that's not necessarily racist. It depends on context and tone. Plus I would add I've heard black folks call caucasians "whitey" innumerable times over my life and no one has ever said that was racist.
Both situations are racist by a white person or a black person. Just because you did not complain or someone else did not complain to you does not make it "okay"
sotexag79 said:
Grace for saying "I will slit you" to a person 3 times your age? Or essentially saying fu to a person 3 times your age trying to have constructive dialogue. The elderly man was very calm in his presentation and demeanor. Give me a break.
These guys acted like thugs. The constant "excusing " of these entitled athletes is making matters worse. They should be held accountable for their actions.
TxAg2012WC said:That is literally the point he was making. Do us all a favor and actually watch the whole video before you rant ad nauseam justifying your defense of a player telling another aggie he is going to stab him, simply because you care more about the player due to your own racism.BJC said:Name-calling is not becoming of you....TxAg2012WC said:Do you know how I know you are talking from a base of pure ignorance? That was literally his point lol. The only people who think a man saying we are more than just our race and brothers are the racists here. Wtf is wrong with you pinkos these days?BJC said:
Nice deflection, but he could have just said, "Aggie" to make his point more valid. He did not and he embarrassed us Aggies, Texas A&M, and made himself appear to be racist (whether he is or not).
Perception may not always be reality, but optics cannot be overlooked.
Liberal communist? I am very much far from being that due to my being an unaffiliated voter who votes on individual interests (such as lower property taxes, firearm rights, etc.) as opposed to party lines which is anathema to a staunch political party member.
I could be wrong, but it seems like that it probably troubles you that I am also very much just as much of a Fightin' Texas A&M Aggie as you, but my loyalty is with Texas A&M the institution itself, not some Old Ag who is nothing more than a (much older) Former Student. You can deflect and spin it how you want, but you still have to wonder what in the world was he thinking when he said, "blaggie" (as you would say it), when it had the strongest possibility of phonetically sounding like a racial epithet? Instead he should have said "Aggie" which would have validated his point even more and spared him the subsequent scrutiny that he has brought on all of us due to the bad optics via bad phonetics.
If you do not want to be perceived as a racist, then it would behoove you to not at least sound like one or even come close to that; again, a grossly missed opportunity by an Old Army Ag to show leadership to New Army Ags in a time of crisis.
You are literally just a racist defending another racist.
Except you did call him a racist. These are your words on page 4:BJC said:TxAg2012WC said:That is literally the point he was making. Do us all a favor and actually watch the whole video before you rant ad nauseam justifying your defense of a player telling another aggie he is going to stab him, simply because you care more about the player due to your own racism.BJC said:Name-calling is not becoming of you....TxAg2012WC said:Do you know how I know you are talking from a base of pure ignorance? That was literally his point lol. The only people who think a man saying we are more than just our race and brothers are the racists here. Wtf is wrong with you pinkos these days?BJC said:
Nice deflection, but he could have just said, "Aggie" to make his point more valid. He did not and he embarrassed us Aggies, Texas A&M, and made himself appear to be racist (whether he is or not).
Perception may not always be reality, but optics cannot be overlooked.
Liberal communist? I am very much far from being that due to my being an unaffiliated voter who votes on individual interests (such as lower property taxes, firearm rights, etc.) as opposed to party lines which is anathema to a staunch political party member.
I could be wrong, but it seems like that it probably troubles you that I am also very much just as much of a Fightin' Texas A&M Aggie as you, but my loyalty is with Texas A&M the institution itself, not some Old Ag who is nothing more than a (much older) Former Student. You can deflect and spin it how you want, but you still have to wonder what in the world was he thinking when he said, "blaggie" (as you would say it), when it had the strongest possibility of phonetically sounding like a racial epithet? Instead he should have said "Aggie" which would have validated his point even more and spared him the subsequent scrutiny that he has brought on all of us due to the bad optics via bad phonetics.
If you do not want to be perceived as a racist, then it would behoove you to not at least sound like one or even come close to that; again, a grossly missed opportunity by an Old Army Ag to show leadership to New Army Ags in a time of crisis.
You are literally just a racist defending another racist.
TxAg2012WC you may want to put the race card down, as I have never said nor will I say that the Old Ag, despite his verbal gaffe, is a racist. For your information I did watch the whole video several times and I heard both the Old Ag try to make his point and the Young Ags try to make their point as well. Simply put, despite the tensions all the Old Ag could have said to the Young Ags, was,
"Are you an Aggie?"
...and left it at that. His well-intentioned but bungled attempt to add on extras to emphasize the point by saying a term that was too ambiguous to be interpreted as non-racial due to the phonetics and optics did himself, his cause, and the perception of our collegiate alma mater absolutely no favors. Again, a grossly missed opportunity to be a leader by example on the Old Ag's part.
Much to your dismay, I, as a black African-American Former Student, have never defended nor condoned bigotry, violence against anyone, nor foolishness of any kind and, to be honest, I will not start now just because my responses to this easily avoidable controversy do not fit your narrative of wanting to cast in a negative light the Current Students protesting there exercising their First Amendment to protest as well as the Former Students there exercising their First Amendment rights to defend Governor Ross' statue. On a side note, I could care less about statues...
Despite the rising tensions there, no violence from either side occurred so to me it was nothing more than a heated exchange of words from opposing sides of a controversial issue amongst our peer Aggies. My loyalty is to the betterment of our collegiate alma mater and sometimes dialogue (no matter how uncomfortable) has to take place for progress to happen. It happened when Senator Gaines helped support the Morrill Act of 1862 in the 1870s, when Governor Ross had to step in and save the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas in the 1890s, and when General Rudder had to step in and transform the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas into Texas A&M University in the 1960s...
Make no mistake, we are the beneficiaries of progress and now we have a chance to lead from the front for future generations of Aggies despite our differences.
TXAg2012WC wishing for past days of the AMCT does not make an individual Aggie a racist; it just at the very least makes him nostalgic, as to a time where you do not have to be as verbally discerning as you have to be currently at TAMU. Again, I never ever drew any card from the deck regarding this Old Ag and I would advise you to do the same regarding the Young Ags. It was just mutual dialogue of opposing sides of an issue amongst Aggies, nothing more.TxAg2012WC said:Except you did call him a racist. These are your words on page 4:BJC said:TxAg2012WC said:That is literally the point he was making. Do us all a favor and actually watch the whole video before you rant ad nauseam justifying your defense of a player telling another aggie he is going to stab him, simply because you care more about the player due to your own racism.BJC said:Name-calling is not becoming of you....TxAg2012WC said:Do you know how I know you are talking from a base of pure ignorance? That was literally his point lol. The only people who think a man saying we are more than just our race and brothers are the racists here. Wtf is wrong with you pinkos these days?BJC said:
Nice deflection, but he could have just said, "Aggie" to make his point more valid. He did not and he embarrassed us Aggies, Texas A&M, and made himself appear to be racist (whether he is or not).
Perception may not always be reality, but optics cannot be overlooked.
Liberal communist? I am very much far from being that due to my being an unaffiliated voter who votes on individual interests (such as lower property taxes, firearm rights, etc.) as opposed to party lines which is anathema to a staunch political party member.
I could be wrong, but it seems like that it probably troubles you that I am also very much just as much of a Fightin' Texas A&M Aggie as you, but my loyalty is with Texas A&M the institution itself, not some Old Ag who is nothing more than a (much older) Former Student. You can deflect and spin it how you want, but you still have to wonder what in the world was he thinking when he said, "blaggie" (as you would say it), when it had the strongest possibility of phonetically sounding like a racial epithet? Instead he should have said "Aggie" which would have validated his point even more and spared him the subsequent scrutiny that he has brought on all of us due to the bad optics via bad phonetics.
If you do not want to be perceived as a racist, then it would behoove you to not at least sound like one or even come close to that; again, a grossly missed opportunity by an Old Army Ag to show leadership to New Army Ags in a time of crisis.
You are literally just a racist defending another racist.
TxAg2012WC you may want to put the race card down, as I have never said nor will I say that the Old Ag, despite his verbal gaffe, is a racist. For your information I did watch the whole video several times and I heard both the Old Ag try to make his point and the Young Ags try to make their point as well. Simply put, despite the tensions all the Old Ag could have said to the Young Ags, was,
"Are you an Aggie?"
...and left it at that. His well-intentioned but bungled attempt to add on extras to emphasize the point by saying a term that was too ambiguous to be interpreted as non-racial due to the phonetics and optics did himself, his cause, and the perception of our collegiate alma mater absolutely no favors. Again, a grossly missed opportunity to be a leader by example on the Old Ag's part.
Much to your dismay, I, as a black African-American Former Student, have never defended nor condoned bigotry, violence against anyone, nor foolishness of any kind and, to be honest, I will not start now just because my responses to this easily avoidable controversy do not fit your narrative of wanting to cast in a negative light the Current Students protesting there exercising their First Amendment to protest as well as the Former Students there exercising their First Amendment rights to defend Governor Ross' statue. On a side note, I could care less about statues...
Despite the rising tensions there, no violence from either side occurred so to me it was nothing more than a heated exchange of words from opposing sides of a controversial issue amongst our peer Aggies. My loyalty is to the betterment of our collegiate alma mater and sometimes dialogue (no matter how uncomfortable) has to take place for progress to happen. It happened when Senator Gaines helped support the Morrill Act of 1862 in the 1870s, when Governor Ross had to step in and save the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas in the 1890s, and when General Rudder had to step in and transform the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas into Texas A&M University in the 1960s...
Make no mistake, we are the beneficiaries of progress and now we have a chance to lead from the front for future generations of Aggies despite our differences.
"As a black African-American Former Student, I have neither heard of nor did hear the term, "blaggie", during my time as a Current Student at TAMU and the fact that there are so many of our peer Ags defending this errant Former Student (as well as his backpedalling) is very telling of the progress that we have really made as Aggies. The errant Former Student was trying to be cute but his verbal error made him reveal his true ugly side and an utter embarrassment to our alma mater. I would not be surprised that he still wishes for the past days of the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (1876-1963) instead of enjoying the current progress made by Texas A&M University (1963-present)."
Hmmmmm. I admire your attempts to obfuscate the truth, but unfortunately for you, you didn't edit your previous posts.
You can parrot words about not condoning bigotry, but alas, it rings hollow when you are actively practicing that very act. You call a man racist for explicitly trying to say we are all equal, while praising another man for threatening to stab a pensioner. The only reason? The color of their skin. People are wising up to these tricks hombre.
. How black and white you are in your thinking. Must be very easy going through life with such a simplistic perspective on things. Edit: Let me add this. When people use those words it is probable that the expression is racist. But there is a difference between probable and definitive. To know if it is definitively a racist expression you again have to know context and tone. Racist expression is a matter of intent. It turns on state of mind. You try to make it simpler than it really is. Perhaps because you've been influenced by concepts of political correctness.ColoradoMooseHerd said:So you think calling someone Blackie or Whitey is the same as calling someone Black or White? Either you are only being a troll or you are a dumbassEagle78 said:. Think about it then. Under your reasoning just referring to a person as black or as white is racist. It all depends on context and tone as to whether the description is racist or not. It may well be racist but not necessarily so.ColoradoMooseHerd said:WTF?Eagle78 said:
Even if he said "blackie" that's not necessarily racist. It depends on context and tone. Plus I would add I've heard black folks call caucasians "whitey" innumerable times over my life and no one has ever said that was racist.
Both situations are racist by a white person or a black person. Just because you did not complain or someone else did not complain to you does not make it "okay"
TxAg2012WC,TxAg2012WC said:
"The errant Former Student was trying to be cute but his verbal error made him reveal his true ugly side and an utter embarrassment to our alma mater. I would not be surprised that he still wishes for the past days of the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (1876-1963) instead of enjoying the current progress made by Texas A&M University (1963-present)."
Seriously. Those are your words. So the question is are you a liar, a ******, or racist? Because you are straight up lying to everyone on here. Keep hiding behind your faux civility, but those actually paying attention see through your incredibly thin veneer.
In your last comment you talk about "cooler heads." Are those cooler heads the player that literally threatened to stab an old man? Why is the old bro a racist but the player wanting to stab an old guy a cooler head? You're strangely critical of a clunky anti racist phrasing, but cool with a black man wanting to kill an old dude. Seriously, no words of criticism of a direct threat of violence from you yet. Condem it and admit you were wrong. Amything else shows youre nothing but an f-ing racist. It may appear to be hyperbole, but it's the literal truth. You think people are idiots. The jig is up hombre, we are waking up.
Edit: and apparently as its censored here, the starred word is a word for stupid that starts with r. I'd hate for you to take the worst potential interpretation and call me a racist like you did to that old man.
