a potential hire of a coach (Jimbo), an FSU coach w no bowl game coming off a 4-8 season (if they lose to Florida, a team Sumlin beat).
Sumlin potentially coming off a 3 game win streak, on way to Belk Bowl, and a QB that looks to be the future of a team returning 17 starters in 2018 and a stellar recruiting class.

Throw in the fact that Jimbo is 0-3 vs Dabo (Clemson coming to Kyle Field in 2018) in past 3 seasons.
To boot we have to pay Sumlin and staff $10+ million and have an interim coach for bowl game and signing period.
Jimbo may win 10 games on average but the ACC provides a couple conference cupcake wins that the SEC doesn't have on schedules. Jimbo best season was with the help of Winston, something Sumlin critics would discount for him had we won with Johnny.

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a potential hire of a coach (Jimbo), an FSU coach w no bowl game coming off a 4-8 season (if they lose to Florida, a team Sumlin beat).
Sumlin potentially coming off a 3 game win streak, on way to Belk Bowl, and a QB that looks to be the future of a team returning 17 starters in 2018 and a stellar recruiting class.

Throw in the fact that Jimbo is 0-3 vs Dabo (Clemson coming to Kyle Field in 2018) in past 3 seasons.
To boot we have to pay Sumlin and staff $10+ million and have an interim coach for bowl game and signing period.
Jimbo may win 10 games on average but the ACC provides a couple conference cupcake wins that the SEC doesn't have on schedules. Jimbo best season was with the help of Winston, something Sumlin critics would discount for him had we won with Johnny.

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There are at least two SEC cupcakes every year. And three out of conference cupcakes. It's why Sumlin's record looks fairly decent. Truth is it's not.

And Jimbo has his program at 3 wins in late November.
His program has deteriorated since Jameis left.

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a potential hire of a coach (Jimbo), an FSU coach w no bowl game coming off a 4-8 season (if they lose to Florida, a team Sumlin beat).
Sumlin potentially coming off a 3 game win streak, on way to Belk Bowl, and a QB that looks to be the future of a team returning 17 starters in 2018 and a stellar recruiting class.

Throw in the fact that Jimbo is 0-3 vs Dabo (Clemson coming to Kyle Field in 2018) in past 3 seasons.
To boot we have to pay Sumlin and staff $10+ million and have an interim coach for bowl game and signing period.
Jimbo may win 10 games on average but the ACC provides a couple conference cupcake wins that the SEC doesn't have on schedules. Jimbo best season was with the help of Winston, something Sumlin critics would discount for him had we won with Johnny.

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The total records of the P5 (ignoring cupcakes) teams Sumlin has beaten:
0.45

The total records of the P5 (ignoring cupcakes) teams Sumlin has lost to:
0.65

Analysis: Sumlin beats bad teams, loses to good teams.

Wake Forest, Syracuse, Duke, Virginia are cupcakes.
in the past decade these are not bowl teams. The SEC is loaded with bowl teams, w 10 teams going bowling in 2016 alone

Good thing Jimbo isn't our target!

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Wake Forest, Syracuse, Duke, Virginia are cupcakes.
in the past decade these are not bowl teams. The SEC is loaded with bowl teams, w 10 teams going bowling in 2016 alone

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In the SEC all you have to do to go bowling is win three conference games to go along with your three cupcakes. It's the easiest conference in the country to go bowling.

Sumlin has some very good wins.
3 wins at Auburn, 1 at Tuscaloosa (very few can say that, period),
4-0 vs Carolina, 6-0 against Arkansas (some of those teams were 9-3 w wins over LSU)
2 road wins vs Ole Miss, Tennessee when ranked top ten,
win over WVU and OU, UCLA and ASU both decent PAC12 programs when he was an underdog.
Mississippi State when they had Das Prescott as a senior QB. and he has never turned in a 4-8 season like Jimbo. always 8 wins minimum is an achievement for an SEC coach

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Wake Forest, Syracuse, Duke, Virginia are cupcakes.
in the past decade these are not bowl teams. The SEC is loaded with bowl teams, w 10 teams going bowling in 2016 alone

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1 of those "bowl teams" from the SEC in 2016 was 5-7 Miss St... who Sumlin lost to


Keep swinging!

if you are arguing that the ACC top to bottom is better than the SEC top to bottom since 2012 I can't help you

And I don't think Fisher would be any better than Sumlin. I'm just pointing out Sumlin's record is worse than it looks.

and i would argue the opposite. Especially considering A&M joined the SEC only 6 years ago, and poorly equipped coming out of the big 12 as a program that normally won 6-7 games max since 2001

a 6-6 SEC team is equivalent to a 9-3 ACC team on a regular basis.

It proves out in bowl games over the past 6 years. SEC teams have dominated bowl games

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and i would argue the opposite. Especially considering A&M joined the SEC only 6 years ago, and poorly equipped coming out of the big 12 as a program that normally won 6-7 games max since 2001

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And we are no better equipped now than we were then. In fact without Johnny and an all American offensive line we are far worse.

you are reaching if you think Sumlin has a resume of cupcakes. You don't have a #4 CFP ranking without playing serious football teams and w quality performances.

Sumlin has a stellar record against the SEC East w only 1 loss.

SEC west has been a .500 record or so, but that is the case for every West program if you look at the past 6 years save Bama

Right there with you. Typically in college football a lot has to go your way and a little luck on your side to win a natty. Jimbo had things line up perfectly the year they won. Every other year I haven't been impressed with his teams.

Yes his resume is full of cupcakes. Look it up.
Minimum of 4 every year.

SEC West cannibalizes itself every year. You have Bama at the top and 6 teams that are very even after that.
A&M thinks it should be alone with Bama as top dog, but what entitles it to that elite level? a big stadium?

Mr Ed its understood each program has cupcakes. Jimbo has 6 and Sumlin has 4.
Heck Bama has Mercer this weekend.

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SEC West cannibalizes itself every year. You have Bama at the top and 6 teams that are very even after that.
A&M thinks it should be alone with Bama as top dog, but what entitles it to that elite level? a big stadium?

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Top dog? We could start with a 2nd place finish. Sumlin hasn't even accomplished that

The only coach that I would feel completely safe about would be Saban and that is not happening. No one can know for certain whether Sumlin can win 10+ games next year or not. Just like no one can say a certain coach will do better.

I expect him to lose at least one more game this year but I really hope they bring him back for one more chance. If he wins out it should be a no brainer.

I am nervous we are about to fire our third winningest coach of the last 70 years.

UCLA?

we win UCLA big if Starkel had remained in the game.
Mond was deer in headlight and UCLA stacked the box.
Starkel would have tossed a couple touchdowns in that second half

we may be ready to eclipse LSU now that Miles is gone.
If we give Sumlin another year or two that may happen.
Arkansas will be further set back after they change.
Ole Miss is in flux.

We should stick with Sumlin going into 2018 with other teams surrendering for rebuilds

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we may be ready to eclipse LSU now that Miles is gone.
If we give Sumlin another year or two that may happen.
Arkansas will be further set back after they change.
Ole Miss is in flux.

We should stick with Sumlin going into 2018 with other teams surrendering for rebuilds

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Last one:

In 5+ years, Sumlin has beaten 3 teams that finished their seasons with a winning record against P5 competition. The last was Duke

let him go, sumlin is lost cause...he should have been let go 2 years ago., certainly last year.
BMA knows that
Admin knows that

decent Texas high school coach can replicate sumlin body of work at A&M and may do be better than sumlin

At least Jimbo is a football coach.I don't know if Sumlin is. Has had 6 long years to figure it out and next yr would be the same as the last 6 yrs. Pisspoor planning, Pisspoor preforming.

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let him go, sumlin is lost cause...he should have been let go 2 years ago., certainly last year.
BMA knows that
Admin knows that

decent Texas high school coach can replicate sumlin body of work at A&M and may do be better than sumlin

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Then why didn't either of our previous two coaches do what Sumlin has done, in a weaker conference?

It's about this season
Failed to use Hubenak when he could have won against UCLA
Failed to give Starkel back the job when Mond consistently struggled MS State
Failed to use a time out and get aligned to stop Auburn block punt attempt or put Starkel in
Failed to develop a tight end when he has three
Failed to develop a running game

He seems to be Jeb Bush low energy smart good coach but it's time for a change for Coach Sumlin and TAMU