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Would OU have more or less success in the SEC?

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Than us?



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Better
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Well, Oklahoma is a better program, so I don't see why anyone would suggest they'd do worse.
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OU would do better than A&M in the SEC
OU would do worse in the SEC than in the big12-4+2
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Way better. If we went 21-19 they'd be at least 27-13
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They would be trading Kansas and Iowa states for Mississippis and Arkansas. Their win total would decrease.

However if they made a playoff run they would fare much better than BDF.

That being said, we don't want OU in the conference they don't bring enough money and would bring everyone else's revenue down. That and the little b*tches habitually tried to undermine us so they should rot in their conference hell.

Expand east not west and don't feed the finebaum troll.
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hunter2012 said:

They would be trading Kansas and Iowa states for Mississippis and Arkansas. Their win total would decrease.

However if they made a playoff run they would fare much better than BDF.

That being said, we don't want OU in the conference they don't bring enough money and would bring everyone else's revenue down. That and the little b*tches habitually tried to undermine us so they should rot in their conference hell.

Expand east not west and don't feed the finebaum troll.
This plus we play a tough recruiting game with OU for the recruits in this area. No need to make it any tougher.
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This is a joke. Oklahoma is an infinitely better football program than Texas A&M. They would have fared significantly better than us.
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The ship has sailed on OU going to the SEC. They had their shot and blew it, staying tied to OSU and daddy sip.
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Interesting, but pointless question. They are Bill Murray from Groundhog Day. Win the BDF every year, subsequently get smoked in the CFP. Wake up next year, do it all over again.
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The Aggies would fare better than the Sooners. Way better. In fact, the only time we faced them as an SEC team we smoked them silly.
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ccatag said:

The Aggies would fare better than the Sooners. Way better. In fact, the only time we faced them as an SEC team we smoked them silly.


Well we kind of had that Johnny Something-or-other. Can't remember his name...
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hunter2012 said:

That being said, we don't want OU in the conference they don't bring enough money and would bring everyone else's revenue down.
I've always found this an interesting assertion given the SEC has 8 schools in states with 5 million or less people...with Alabama and Mississippi carrying two schools each (the state of Mississippi with less than 3 million people)...plus a 9th team being a small private school...but Oklahoma with 4 million people plus all their national success would be a drain to what the SEC has going for it.

I understand the argument that a larger state's local population gives you a nice starting point, but isn't the SEC itself an example that other factors are at play?

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Better. The only reason we smoked them in the Cotton Bowl is because of Manziel. We failed to capitalize on EVERYTHING that went right during 2012-2013 and are right back at mediocre.
Shooz in Katy
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This would be a great Clay Travis mailbag question.
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Schu2000 said:

Interesting, but pointless question. They are Bill Murray from Groundhog Day. Win the BDF every year, subsequently get smoked in the CFP. Wake up next year, do it all over again.

I wish we could get smoked in the CFP once.
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OU knows how to win. A&M knows how to lose.
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Schu2000 said:

Interesting, but pointless question. They are Bill Murray from Groundhog Day. Win the BDF every year, subsequently get smoked in the CFP. Wake up next year, do it all over again.


Yeah it must suck to be them.

Aggie fans would have killed for that kind of success when we were in the Big 12. At least they made the CFP. They're so far ahead of us right now and it's a damn shame considering we had the upper hand after 2012. But of course we pissed it away
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No doubt, OU would do better.
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TXAggie2011 said:

hunter2012 said:

That being said, we don't want OU in the conference they don't bring enough money and would bring everyone else's revenue down.
I've always found this an interesting assertion given the SEC has 8 schools in states with 5 million or less people...with Alabama and Mississippi carrying two schools each (the state of Mississippi with less than 3 million people)...plus a 9th team being a small private school...but Oklahoma with 4 million people plus all their national success would be a drain to what the SEC has going for it.

I understand the argument that a larger state's local population gives you a nice starting point, but isn't the SEC itself an example that other factors are at play?




It is but it's the fact that they were starting points or foundation for the league getting a network. Adding OU alone would not change the paradigm and only upgrade Oklahoma from a out of conference state rate to an in-state rate.

The only way they would be worth it is if adding them would allow the SECN to increase their out of conference state rate. But they do not have enough of a national following that alone, their viewship vs murder's row indicates such. Even as a "national power" they don't move the needle enough for viewer strapped ESPN to raise the rates on the rest of the country.

Additionally, merchandise sales does not help the rest of the league either. What good are they if they generate additional millions of it wont be split amongst the conference?
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Old Rivalries Forum

And it doesn't really matter as they're never actually going to be a member of the SEC.
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They may do better in the first five years compared to A&M's first 5 years, but they would do worse than their last 5 years in the Big 12.
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Oklahoma is a football school. Their Heisman Trophy winners, National Championships, the overall won / loss record, Bowl wins, and their Conference Championships and legendary head coaches clearly state their case. We aren't close.
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There is absolutely zero reason to believe A&M and OU coming at the same time would result in A&M having the better record. And their alumni are capable of going "oh that's bad" and getting it changed.

The real question is whether they would have hired someone like Sumlin and retained them as long as they we have retained Sumlin without at least a CCG, CFP, or NC. I think they're struggling in the Big 12(-2-2+1+1) and they gave up a meaningful rivalry with Nebraska to choose one with Texas (they claim Texas was always their biggest rival, but the RRV happened at State Fair time and by the end of the season in the Big Eight it was always them and Nebraska.)

Things change of course: Nebraska and Oklahoma are states with relatively lower population v. when they were powerhouses and both could draw from around the country. Both struggle with that. Oklahoma is in a really difficult circumstance which Fox has alleviated by forming a network within their regional networks to monetize their relatively superior national following vis-a-vis everyone but Texas. The numbers aren't awful, but it isn't SECN or even LHN numbers (though they probably bank more of it in the athletic department than Texas.) Nebraska hasn't exactly disappeared in the Big Ten, but their big dog status is less "pronounced" than in the Big Eight (won't comment on their status in the Big 12...they left because they really disliked the Texas schools joining with the south division schools to win all the arguments.)

I suspect Oklahoma would have felt the same way, they likely would have kept their annual game with Texas (in spite of Texas not having the availability to play us annually), and I wonder if they would have been as dissatisfied with the SEC...or shall we say "meh"...as Nebraska seems to be in the Big Ten. But I expect both programs to eventually thrive in a different conference than the Big 12. I prefer Oklahoma not join the SEC. But that has more to do with the sensation that the fans mostly disdained us and considered Texas a superior rival.

We have good conference mates now. We need to focus on enjoying what we got. Oklahoma isn't relevant to the SEC as far as anyone can demonstrate or discern
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The only way they would be worth it is if adding them would allow the SECN to increase their out of conference state rate. But they do not have enough of a national following that alone, their viewship vs murder's row indicates such. Even as a "national power" they don't move the needle enough for viewer strapped ESPN to raise the rates on the rest of the country.
To be clear, I'm not predicting or arguing for OU, but your assertions still seem questionable to me. 2016, I can go further back if needed.


Week 1: 11am kickoff with Houston, 3.5 rating on ABC. 3rd best in nation.

Week 2: 8pm kickoff with Ohio State, 3.4 rating on Fox. 3rd best in nation.

Week 5: 4 pm kickoff with TCU, 1.3 rating on Fox. 7th best in nation.

Week 6: 11 am kickoff with Texas. 1.7 rating on Fox. 7th best in nation.

Week 7: 11 am kickoff with Kansas State. 1.2 rating on ESPN. 8th best in nation (7th on Saturday).

Week 8: 7 pm kickoff with Texas Tech. 1.4 rating on Fox. 7th best in nation.

Week 10: 6:30 Thursday kickoff with Iowa State. 1.44 million viewers on ESPN. (12th most viewers for week.) (1st on Thursday. Colorado-UCLA comparable drew 536 thousand viewers on FS1).

Week 12: 7pm kickoff with West Virginia. 2.3 rating on ABC. 3rd best in nation.

Week 14: 11:30 am kickoff with Oklahoma State. 3.1 rating. 5th best in nation. (3rd best on Saturday).
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BTKAG97 said:

They may do better in the first five years compared to A&M's first 5 years, but they would do worse than their last 5 years in the Big 12.

Getting "up" and ready to play in 2or3 games is a whole lot different than getting up for 6or7 games.
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And to answer the Feinbaum's question, we went 6-11 against them playing in the same division in the same conference.

We lost games by 30 points, 45 points, 21 points, 77 points, 28 points, 38 points, and 55 points.

In other words, we lost by 28 points or more as many time as we won and we lost by 21-plus points more than we won.

Outside of that period, we're still 6-8, including the Johnny Manziel Cotton Bowl.

Put them in the same circumstances again and it seems difficult to argue they'd not be more competitive than we would.

No doubt we've made some major infrastructure investments you hope can make A&M more competitive.
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You know the answer to the question when one set of fans start using TV ratings as an indicator of success...
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Schu2000 said:

Interesting, but pointless question. They are Bill Murray from Groundhog Day. Win the BDF every year, subsequently get smoked in the CFP. Wake up next year, do it all over again.
OU has beaten bama more recently than the ags granted not cfp but s a NY6
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TXAggie2011 said:

77 points


TOO SOON!
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ccatag said:

The Aggies would fare better than the Sooners. Way better. In fact, the only time we faced them as an SEC team we smoked them silly.


That was one game with a once in a lifetime athlete on our team. If we would have played OU last year, or the year before, or the year before that they would have beaten our asses like they always do. It's a good thing they aren't on our schedule this year either, because they would also beat our asses.

Their program is a perennial winner, and when they are down they fix it. Our program is a perennial underachiever with a few exceptions.

Just callin' a spade a spade.
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If ou goes into the SEC with Kyler, well, I'm not sure if they would do better than us.
To 1,000,000 touchdowns ...and beyond
Inspector Javert
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Stoops >>>>> summy

End of thread
Meximan
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Inspector Javert said:

Stoops >>>>> summy

End of thread
You don't get to EOT your own post.
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I think they'd do about the same...For every win against Arky, Ole Miss and MSU, they'd lose to Bama, Auburn and LSU.
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