GeorgePlimpton said:
He doesn't want to play in the NFL anymore. How is that not clear to everyone at this point?
He has a problem, he's an addict...this would have happened no matter what team he played for.hangman said:
The sad part is he probably would be a pretty good NFL quarterback if he hadn't played for the terrible Cleveland Browns.
Blaming the Browns is something out of 2015. By this point it should be very clear that he has some problems, and the idea that he would've been successful elsewhere is grasping at straws.hangman said:
The sad part is he probably would be a pretty good NFL quarterback if he hadn't played for the terrible Cleveland Browns.
If he had wanted an NFL career, he could have. IMO, just as you said, he's not really interested in pursuing an NFL career. He has the tools and physical ability, but other things are his priority for the time being. I'm sure having wealthy parents figures heavily into the equation. Sad, at least for me, because I would have liked to see him play in the NFL.rbcs_2 said:
Isn't it obvious to all that he's not interested in pursuing a career in the NFL?
If Ozzy Osbourne and Anna Nicole Smith could land reality TV shows, Johnny could.Yell Practice said:
Don't know if Johnny can get it all together enough now for a TV personality.
BRabbit8 said:
Love Johnny, but he's done.
GeorgePlimpton said:Blaming the Browns is something out of 2015. By this point it should be very clear that he has some problems, and the idea that he would've been successful elsewhere is grasping at straws.hangman said:
The sad part is he probably would be a pretty good NFL quarterback if he hadn't played for the terrible Cleveland Browns.
Frankly, I'm not sure why people on this board give a **** about whether he plays football again. We should be hoping only for him to get his life right and get away from these issues he's had the last several years. He's battling real demons and wistfully talking about whether he can play football again seems pretty trivial at this point. This is much bigger than playing a sport anymore.
I respectfully disagree with the libertarian view that all lifestyles are are equally valid and no one can judge whether they are admirable or not. Moral relativism is why our society is crumbling from within. I propose that we can tell the difference between a life well lived and a life wasted on self indulgence and excess.Lateralus Ag said:GeorgePlimpton said:Blaming the Browns is something out of 2015. By this point it should be very clear that he has some problems, and the idea that he would've been successful elsewhere is grasping at straws.hangman said:
The sad part is he probably would be a pretty good NFL quarterback if he hadn't played for the terrible Cleveland Browns.
Frankly, I'm not sure why people on this board give a **** about whether he plays football again. We should be hoping only for him to get his life right and get away from these issues he's had the last several years. He's battling real demons and wistfully talking about whether he can play football again seems pretty trivial at this point. This is much bigger than playing a sport anymore.
What is "wrong" with his life? Not your opinion or some moral standard you have set for yourself (and obviously set for others) but what about Johnny's life is bad?
What issues has he had? Not issues that you have with the way he lives, but real issues? He has one domestic altercation with a BSC woman. And the jury is still out (based on the limited information we have) about which one of them instigated the incident.
He isn't going around hurting people that you know of. He isn't embezzeling millions of dollars from investors. He isn't creating ponzi schemes like Madoff or lying to the SEC, the American people, or his investors like Arthur Andersen or Enron.
He just decided he didn't want to play a game you think is amazing. He drinks and does drugs and that really doesn't hurt anyone. It is his life to live and he doesn't need you telling him that he has "issues" to solve or that he is living his life "wrong".
I wouldn't live my life the way he does. And I would have loved to have his talent and ability. But what I want for my life has absolutely no bearing on what he wants for his life.
No, it is a too common attitude, especially with the advent of the internet, to project your values and morals on others in a display of normative hubris.
It is the height of arrogance to base the value of others on your own character or moral standard.
LtZogg said:I respectfully disagree with the libertarian view that all lifestyles are are equally valid and no one can judge whether they are admirable or not. Moral relativism is why our society is crumbling from within. I propose that we can tell the difference between a life well lived and a life wasted on self indulgence and excess.Lateralus Ag said:GeorgePlimpton said:Blaming the Browns is something out of 2015. By this point it should be very clear that he has some problems, and the idea that he would've been successful elsewhere is grasping at straws.hangman said:
The sad part is he probably would be a pretty good NFL quarterback if he hadn't played for the terrible Cleveland Browns.
Frankly, I'm not sure why people on this board give a **** about whether he plays football again. We should be hoping only for him to get his life right and get away from these issues he's had the last several years. He's battling real demons and wistfully talking about whether he can play football again seems pretty trivial at this point. This is much bigger than playing a sport anymore.
What is "wrong" with his life? Not your opinion or some moral standard you have set for yourself (and obviously set for others) but what about Johnny's life is bad?
What issues has he had? Not issues that you have with the way he lives, but real issues? He has one domestic altercation with a BSC woman. And the jury is still out (based on the limited information we have) about which one of them instigated the incident.
He isn't going around hurting people that you know of. He isn't embezzeling millions of dollars from investors. He isn't creating ponzi schemes like Madoff or lying to the SEC, the American people, or his investors like Arthur Andersen or Enron.
He just decided he didn't want to play a game you think is amazing. He drinks and does drugs and that really doesn't hurt anyone. It is his life to live and he doesn't need you telling him that he has "issues" to solve or that he is living his life "wrong".
I wouldn't live my life the way he does. And I would have loved to have his talent and ability. But what I want for my life has absolutely no bearing on what he wants for his life.
No, it is a too common attitude, especially with the advent of the internet, to project your values and morals on others in a display of normative hubris.
It is the height of arrogance to base the value of others on your own character or moral standard.
As far as what is "wrong" with his life: If you don't consider striking a woman for any reason (regardless who instigated it) or the use off illegal drugs "wrong," how about taking millions of dollars from your employer and giving them little to nothing in return for their money? Is there anything wrong with that?
LtZogg said:
So anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot? Funny how you didn't address any of my objections. You're one heck of a debater!
LtZogg said:
I respectfully disagree with the libertarian view that all lifestyles are are equally valid and no one can judge whether they are admirable or not. Moral relativism is why our society is crumbling from within. I propose that we can tell the difference between a life well lived and a life wasted on self indulgence and excess.
As far as what is "wrong" with his life: If you don't consider striking a woman for any reason (regardless who instigated it) or the use off illegal drugs "wrong," how about taking millions of dollars from your employer and giving them little to nothing in return for their money? Is there anything wrong with that?
Holy cow! Who are you, some kind intergalactic comic book villain? Who talks like that?Lateralus Ag said:LtZogg said:
I respectfully disagree with the libertarian view that all lifestyles are are equally valid and no one can judge whether they are admirable or not. Moral relativism is why our society is crumbling from within. I propose that we can tell the difference between a life well lived and a life wasted on self indulgence and excess.
As far as what is "wrong" with his life: If you don't consider striking a woman for any reason (regardless who instigated it) or the use off illegal drugs "wrong," how about taking millions of dollars from your employer and giving them little to nothing in return for their money? Is there anything wrong with that?
But I am a firm believer that education is important and that learning how to think leads to a well-lived life, I will do my best to help you figure out how you failed.
See the above bolded words and phrases. That is all the time I have to spend with you today. If you have anything valid or constructive to discuss about what I said, let me know. I would love to share thoughtful ideas with you.
Peace.
Ian Neff said:
I have a theory that I would like an opinion on. I would like to know the opinion of literally every poster of the Xoo.
I firmly believe that Johnny didn't have the talent to make it in the NFL. And he knew it. So instead of trying to be a role player, great backup utility QB, he chose - CONSCIOUSLY - to give up and take the path of depravity in an effort to be a story of lost opportunity instead of just being not good enough.
Do you agree?
Dumbest one yetIan Neff said:
I have a theory that I would like an opinion on. I would like to know the opinion of literally every poster of the Xoo.
I firmly believe that Johnny didn't have the talent to make it in the NFL. And he knew it. So instead of trying to be a role player, great backup utility QB, he chose - CONSCIOUSLY - to give up and take the path of depravity in an effort to be a story of lost opportunity instead of just being not good enough.
Do you agree?
