Communism / socialism can never last. The only reason the ussr made it that long was that the us built its entire infrastructure in the depression and ww2 and g e it a 'foil' to distract the population during the Cold War.

Human nature completely precludes this moronic ideology from ever working.

it can work only as long as the party has strict and ruthless control over everything, but economic conditions necessarily deteriorate in a straight line until it all falls apart No matter what. There could never be another outcome.

Exactly. Well put.

Communism/Socialism/Marxism eventually will fail, it is just a matter of 'when.'

I will add the scary part - the reason our elites are still pushing it is they think 'this time' robotics/ai/surveillance state will allow greater control and remove the 'workers' from any critical role in production, allowing them to keep the economic situation sufficient for them to keep them in power.

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I will add the scary part - the reason our elites are still pushing it is they think 'this time' robotics/ai/surveillance state will allow greater control and remove the 'workers' from any critical role in production, allowing them to keep the economic situation sufficient for them to keep them in power.

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No one is pushing it. For crying out loud, it's like all sense has left his planet.

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I will add the scary part - the reason our elites are still pushing it is they think 'this time' robotics/ai/surveillance state will allow greater control and remove the 'workers' from any critical role in production, allowing them to keep the economic situation sufficient for them to keep them in power.

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No one is pushing it. For crying out loud, it's like all sense has left his planet.

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What? Your post is making no sense. Are you trying to claim that socialism has not been pushed on the us/western europe? If so, thats the dumbest thing ever posted on the internet.

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I will add the scary part - the reason our elites are still pushing it is they think 'this time' robotics/ai/surveillance state will allow greater control and remove the 'workers' from any critical role in production, allowing them to keep the economic situation sufficient for them to keep them in power.

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No one is pushing it. For crying out loud, it's like all sense has left his planet.

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What? Your post is making no sense. Are you trying to claim that socialism has not been pushed on the us/western europe? If so, thats the dumbest thing ever posted on the internet.

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It is not being "pushed" currently. No. Social democracy is not "socialism." The term has been expanded beyond any sense to mean, "What I don't like is equivalent to Stalin."

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I will add the scary part - the reason our elites are still pushing it is they think 'this time' robotics/ai/surveillance state will allow greater control and remove the 'workers' from any critical role in production, allowing them to keep the economic situation sufficient for them to keep them in power.

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No one is pushing it. For crying out loud, it's like all sense has left his planet.

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What? Your post is making no sense. Are you trying to claim that socialism has not been pushed on the us/western europe? If so, thats the dumbest thing ever posted on the internet.

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His denialism is what is funny. Senator Blumenthal just spoke at a big communist celebration.

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Blumenthal was invited by Communist Party members and ceremony emcees Lisa Bergmann and Ben McManus.

Bergmann, who blamed corporations for the "imperialism that exists in our world that is undermining the labor and environment," introduced Blumenthal at the event, according to the Washington Free Beacon.

"If you are not already part of the Communist Party, we invite you to participate and contribute and join," Bergmann said after Blumenthal's speech concluded. "There's more and more people talking about socialism in this country as it becomes more and more clear that capitalism is not going to work for our future."

McManus similarly urged attendees to "join the Communist Party in this epic time as we make good trouble to uproot systemic racism, retool the war economy, tax the rich, address climate change, secure voting rights, and create a new socialist system that puts people, peace, and planet before profits."
Blumenthal is worth an estimated $100 million, largely because of his wife, who is a member of a New York real estate dynasty. He has come under fire for being "unaware" of all of his investments, including in U.S. Shanghai LLC., a real estate company connected to the Chinese government, according to the Washington Free Beacon.

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(Now, he later lied about not knowing this was a communist event, but again that was an obvious lie.

Some highlights of Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal and his introducer at the Connecticut People’s World Committee, an affiliate of Communist Party USA. pic.twitter.com/w5CvV7tGzy

— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) December 15, 2021

Needless to say, it's being pushed for, not just in Europe, but here.

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What? Your post is making no sense. Are you trying to claim that socialism has not been pushed on the us/western europe? If so, thats the dumbest thing ever posted on the internet.

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I think there has been a shift back towards progressive values here in the U.S in some corners of the democratic party which call for Scandinavian style tax and spend. To claim that is is being "pushed on us" is just hyperbole.

Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, etc all made their play for two presidential cycles and the Democratic party opted for more centrist options.

Anyone saying socialist values is being pushed on us Western Europe frankly needs to get out and see the world a bit more. Huge swaths of Western Europe have gladly embraced the kings of social structure that horrify the current type of conservative voter in the U.S. and have for nearly a century.

Socialism was "pushed" on Western Europe in the wake of World War 2 when Clement Attlee promised a New Jerusalem in 1945 and we had nearly 40 years thereafter of state ownership of corporations, bureaucratic fiat regulating every single trade to the nth degree, and organized labor shutting everything down all the time and screwing everything up for everyone.

The U.S. was not too too different from LBJ to Jimmy Carter. The government regulated and price fixed all sorts of stuff and threw up trade barriers.

We then now had a 30 year period of de-liberalization starting in the Carter era that did spread to Western Europe with most of their economies and government platforms becoming much more conservative and pro-free trade and pro-market.

Now we are swinging back due to the credit crisis and the 10 years of "inequality" ( I hate that term and don't believe in it but there it is).

I say all of the above to reinfornce:

a) no economy in Western Europe or North America has ever really gone whole hog into socialist structures . . .it is more shades of grey in how much they want to incorporate certain aspects

b) It used to be a whole, whole lot more progressive and quasi socialist.

c) Don't confuse the eternal gyration in political attitudes between conservative and progressive ideas as soem sort of regime change.

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Anyone saying socialist values is being pushed on us Western Europe frankly needs to get out and see the world a bit more. Huge swaths of Western Europe have gladly embraced the kings of social structure that horrify the current type of conservative voter in the U.S. and have for nearly a century.

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Am I reading a google translation, or is this a bot?