Not exactly history but I thought this video was just excellent in its attention to detail. Starts with a hypothetical incident that spirals to a full fight between the USS Reagan and China.
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Imagined Fight Between US Carrier and China
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Last: 2 yr ago by Eliminatus
Reminds me of the old game Harpoon. Going to be tough sledding for naval assets in the South China Sea.
I don't buy we'd transverse the South China Sea without more escorts
I have no idea as I know little about the navy but he at least gave a reason for why that was in the video. Not sure if his reason would ever happen.BQ_90 said:
I don't buy we'd transverse the South China Sea without more escorts
Well hell, I certainly am not going to buy anything from China now.
Burrus86 said:
Well hell, I certainly am not going to buy anything from China now.
Oof, good luck with that.
Color me skeptical that a 35 knot skyscraper can survive any peer conflict now. Missile tech is just too far down the road.
Not a naval expert by any means, but carriers today remind me a bit of battleships before WWII. Everyone was convinced that with a few tweaks they were still the centerpieces of naval warfare and they quickly found out otherwise. They still had a vital role, but they were no longer indispensable.
Hard to say you are wrong. Carrier groups are still going to have great value for us when showing up off the coast of most nations though. Just not China maybe.
I also wonder after watching that video twice how good the Chinese stuff actually is? My experiences in China were all very enlightening. So many things were just facades. Looked good until you dug a little deeper or stood a little closer.
I also wonder after watching that video twice how good the Chinese stuff actually is? My experiences in China were all very enlightening. So many things were just facades. Looked good until you dug a little deeper or stood a little closer.
Madman said:
Hard to say you are wrong. Carrier groups are still going to have great value for us when showing up off the coast of most nations though. Just not China maybe.
I also wonder after watching that video twice how good the Chinese stuff actually is? My experiences in China were all very enlightening. So many things were just facades. Looked good until you dug a little deeper or stood a little closer.
I'm sure their military capabilities are somewhat exaggerated. Though to quote whoever the hell actually said it, "Quantity has a quality all its own." My own experience in war taught me that you don't need to be extremely sophisticated to cripple an adversary. Particularly when they are playing on your turf.
Russia in WW2 was a perfect example of this. Throw enough bodies and bullets against a problem, and eventually the dam breaks.
Stive said:
Russia in WW2 was a perfect example of this. Throw enough bodies and bullets against a problem, and eventually the dam breaks.
True, though I think we give the Nazis too much credit and Soviets too little in that conflict.
This. The carrier was overcome at the end after the Chinese threw everything at it. In reality, more escorts and likely a second carrier group from the northeast would be involved in the engagement.BQ_90 said:
I don't buy we'd transverse the South China Sea without more escorts
Scenario has been wargamed to death for decades now. From the feared ASM swarms of communist Russia to drone clouds today.
As of now, with drone and missile tech still not quite what it will be in the next ten years, Can a near peer kill off all of our carriers? Extremely doubtful. Can they kill some? Extremely feasible and even probable in a full scale kinetic war.
The PR win alone would make it worth it. To sink a modern American carrier is the current David/Goliath story I think. And resource wise it it would also be always worth it if pulled off. Even if an attacker loses well into the double digit numbers of attack craft. An American carrier is the culmination of a stupid amount of tech and experience that cannot be replaced in a short time.
I do think that the modern super carrier is aging and will likely be phased out in my lifetime. Just way too much tied up in a single ship that will be increasingly hard to defend as the years go by. Still, nothing projects our power as readily as a carrier strike force and will continue to be a mainstay for some time.
As of now, with drone and missile tech still not quite what it will be in the next ten years, Can a near peer kill off all of our carriers? Extremely doubtful. Can they kill some? Extremely feasible and even probable in a full scale kinetic war.
The PR win alone would make it worth it. To sink a modern American carrier is the current David/Goliath story I think. And resource wise it it would also be always worth it if pulled off. Even if an attacker loses well into the double digit numbers of attack craft. An American carrier is the culmination of a stupid amount of tech and experience that cannot be replaced in a short time.
I do think that the modern super carrier is aging and will likely be phased out in my lifetime. Just way too much tied up in a single ship that will be increasingly hard to defend as the years go by. Still, nothing projects our power as readily as a carrier strike force and will continue to be a mainstay for some time.
JW
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