Goodbye USS TEXAS

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Maybe I'm a big jerk (ok, probably) but I struggle finding the compassion/empathy to approve of funding a refurb of $35,000,000 on something like this. It has a LOT of history, I get that, but sometimes things have just run their course and need to be "buried". If somehow they could get her to a place where they would like to place her and dry her in (like the Mikasa) then I might be ok with it. But past decisions to place it where it is and now she's gotten to the point that they don't think they can move her.....

Live and learn.
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I have the opinion putting her next to the Lexington would detract from both of them. I have been on the Lex numerous times. It is a great attraction that is good for an afternoon for a family with kids, but that is about it. If you put a second warship next to her most people will come to see one but not both, and attendance for both will not support the cost to maintain them. Lex is already competing with the aquarium next door.

As for inappropriate monuments that detract from the solemnity of certain battlefields, I have the same opinion of the cenotaph at the Alamo
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Chiming in late to concur with the overall shabbiness of the grounds around the SJ monument. Maybe it was on the summer schedule for maintenance when they knew school kids weren't coming, but it looked as cared for as a middle school campus in late July. The large reflecting pond and minimal design features around it definitely give the feel that a 70% funded idea was placed in the middle of the marsh a long time ago and then forgotten.

It's a grandiose structure, but the rest of the area doesn't meet that ambitious approach.

As for the Texas, the cost of maintaining any large structure is high. When it's a 100 year old battleship still afloat, you're looking at long odds.
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The $35mil would be better spent damming off where she sits now. They money they would save from running pumps 24/7 365 could keep it viable as a destination. I've done the monument, museum and Texas in a day. Even had time for lunch at Monument Inn. Museum is underrated and a must see. Reflecting pool should be broken up and used for fill dry docking the Texas.

I don't think she's going anywhere. Still has to undergo seaworthy survey. Might be only option.

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Gator92 said:

The $35mil would be better spent damming off where she sits now. They money they would save from running pumps 24/7 365 could keep it viable as a destination. I've done the monument, museum and Texas in a day. Even had time for lunch at Monument Inn. Museum is underrated and a must see. Reflecting pool should be broken up and used for fill dry docking the Texas.

I don't think she's going anywhere. Still has to undergo seaworthy survey. Might be only option.




Except, damed off or not, she's rusting away, and nearly sank recently. When her lower hull gives way, it will be a damned off wreck.

If we're not willing to repair her and land lock her, we might as well tow her 50 miles off corpus and sink her, and let those of us who dive have a way to enjoy the wreck for a while.
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50 miles off CC is pretty deep for recreational diving. Near the Clipper or the Port M Liberty Ships might be a lot more accesable and in better water.

I hope they are able to save her and keep her on the upper Texas Coast.
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pagerman @ work said:

Ag In Ok said:

She belongs next to the Lexington in Corpus.
Nope, given that the Lex doesn't belong in Corpus to begin with.
?? The navy base there was for pilot training. Why would it not go there?
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agracer said:

pagerman @ work said:

Ag In Ok said:

She belongs next to the Lexington in Corpus.
Nope, given that the Lex doesn't belong in Corpus to begin with.
?? The navy base there was for pilot training. Why would it not go there?
Because it operated for years (decades?) out of Pensacola, which is also the birthplace of Naval Aviation and the location of the National Naval Aviation Museum, to which it would have been an excellent pairing.
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You're right, it would leave her more to the tech divers, although it may reduce looting.

I wish the clipper was more accessible, there's only one outfit going out for a short window now.
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The Scuba Shack out of McAllen makes trips to the clipper pretty regularly in the summer. Look em up and ask for John class of 92'. He keeps his boat in one of my slips in PI. It is a really good dive later in the summer, and through the fall.

In the early fall lots of interesting life hangs out there. The other group that goes is not much fun, dont recommend them at all.
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Appreciate the recommendation, the other group didn't seem particularly welcoming, there's a few of us that have been really keen on the clipper and any rigs left in the area.
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Call John 956 cinco cero uno 3483. You will enjoy diving with him.
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pagerman @ work said:

agracer said:

pagerman @ work said:

Ag In Ok said:

She belongs next to the Lexington in Corpus.
Nope, given that the Lex doesn't belong in Corpus to begin with.
?? The navy base there was for pilot training. Why would it not go there?
Because it operated for years (decades?) out of Pensacola, which is also the birthplace of Naval Aviation and the location of the National Naval Aviation Museum, to which it would have been an excellent pairing.
. Fair point.
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I just received this in an email from the Dreadnaught (newsletter of the Battleship Texas Foundation) that has an FAQ section that addresses some of the questions brought up on this thread.

I thought it might be interesting to some.
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FUNDS

What happened to all the money that has been raised in the past?
The 2007 and the 2015 legislature appropriations have been spent to make much needed structural repairs to the Texas. These repairs have also helped position the Texas, along with other preparations, to make the journey to the dry dock.

What happened to the dry berth project?
We extensively researched and vetted the dry berth project as a potential viable option for the future of the Battleship Texas. Unfortunately, the cost of the dry berth had reached an estimated $100 million, and we were unable to secure the necessary funds. After several years attempting to pursue this option, it was taken off the table by Texas Parks and Wildlife in search of a solution that was more fundable. At the time, the only two options were dry berth or scrapping the ship, a $30 million cost for an unthinkable solution. The current plan was developed as an alternative to scrapping or dry berthing the ship, and was fully funded by the legislature.

REPAIR AND RESTORATION

What is getting repaired? Will it cost the whole $35 million?
All available funds will be used. Priority one is to address the issues with the hull. The constant leaks require continuous pumping out of the water. In addition, we must get to a point where new leaks stop threatening the ship and we can stop the cost of dealing with those leaks. We also hope to replace the entire deck and paint the ship. The Battleship Texas Foundation will also be launching a Capital Campaign to raise additional funds.

What is the timeline for repairs?
The ship is currently undergoing preparations to prepare for transportation. Starting on September 1st, the ship will be closed to the public to allow for more preparations to take place. We are targeting mid-December 2019 for when the ship will leave for repairs, but will not move her until all necessary preparations are made. Once she is towed to a dry dock, the restoration process will take approximately 1 year.

TOWING

I've heard she can't be moved because the Coast Guard has placed restrictions on her. Is this true?

This is untrue. In fact, engineering has been shared with the Coast Guard and they were impressed with what they saw. While engineering still has some additional work that needs to be completed, there is no doubt that Coast Guard approval will be granted.

What is the risk of the ship sinking during transportation?
No one involved in this effort would consider moving the ship a foot if it can not be done safely. Engineering has been very thorough and, while there is still more work to be done on this front, we will not put the ship at risk.

PERMANENT LOCATION

Why does the ship have to go out of state for repairs? Will she return?
The Texas will need to leave the state for repairs because there is not a dry dock in Texas that can accommodate her. Once the repairs are completed, there is one place and one place only that the Texas belongs in the great state that bears her name.

Where will the ship live once she is repaired?
We have been given a great gift to repair and restore this magnificent ship so that she is around for generations to come. With that being said, we want the ship to be easily accessed so that she can be experienced by more people than ever. At this time, no permanent location has been determined. There are multiple locations who have expressed an interest in becoming the home of the Texas. Once due diligence has been completed and a new home has been selected, we will let you know.

If the ship moves to the coastline, what type of hurricane protection will she get? Also, what about protection from salt water?
Again, no decision has been made in regard to where the Texas will call home. Part of that decision will certainly be driven by all issues including weather concerns and long-term maintenance, which has always been an issue for the Texas. Anyone that has visited in recent years is well aware of the condition of the ship. The goal is to return her to reasonable condition and maintain her moving forward.

Why move the ship from where it has been for 71 years?
The simple truth is economics. The Battleship Texas in its current location does not draw enough paid visitors annually to produce the required funds to maintain her. Operations lose money, requiring the state to subsidize her, in addition to funding the constant cost of leaks. Added to the $60 million funded in the last four years for major repairs, the state is no longer willing to subsidize the ship. The ship must be in a location where she can be accessed by many more people and sustain herself financially.

What will happen to the San Jacinto Monument and Battleground?
Our first priority is the survival of the Texas. Long before the Texas arrived in La Porte, the battleground and monument were there. The grounds will remain a compelling and important part of Texas history, but one that is unteathered to that of the Battleship Texas. Any questions about the future of the battleground and monument can be directed to the Texas Historical Commission, who will be in charge of both starting on September 1st.

What criteria will you use to pick the new site?
The most important thing is finding a location that allows a greater number of people to experience the ship. The goal is preservation and the ability to present the Texas in a location that will come and visit the ship.
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Why do I get the feeling the estimate of one year for dry dock repairs is way optimistic?
RGV AG
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Agree......
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Disagree with the idea that she needs to be towed to deep water and sank, but also disagree with the current state of affairs the State has placed her care in. I think it's garbage that the State of Texas has not done something relatively simple and permanent to preserve and maintain the Texas. A permanent dry dock type facility would be expensive up front, but the long term maintenance costs would be significantly less than the annual expenditures now.

I'm a sucker for history, and the Texas has a story that few other ships in the naval fleet have ever had. Turning her into a scuba dive attraction would be a shame IMO, but that's just me. I'd like to see the state spend the money now to do what is needed to be done the right way. No issue with moving her from Pasadena to somewhere more tourist friendly. I live in the area and don't make the trip to San Jacinto - the grounds themselves are interesting, and I have no issues with the petrochem industry we have - but they don't go together well and it's just not a great tourist destination.

Park her up on Pelican Island near TAMUG and let the maritime academy have a role in the maintenance or something similar, but scuttling her isn't an option for me personally.
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How about putting her in Baytown just to the southeast side of Fred Hartman. Very easy access just off 146 and where future 99 will tie in.
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Quad Dog said:

I always thought having the Texas at San Jacinto was a little out of place and that Seawolf Park in Galveston would be a good spot for it.
Problem is the ship may not survive a hurricane...
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