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Bolsheviks

Hard to believe they killed the kids as well.

I've always wondered why didn't they leave Russia before things got out of hand
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Irish_Man said:

Bolsheviks

Hard to believe they killed the kids as well.

I've always wondered why didn't they leave Russia before things got out of hand

There were plans for the Romanovs to go to exile in the UK but for reason never fully revealed the plan was nixed at the last minute by George V with the tacit approval of the government. KGV was afraid that the anti-monarch fever seen all over the continent would converge on an exiled Czar who was one of the most autocratic and unpopular monarchs left in a Europe completely upended in turmoil.
Absolutely no one suspected that the socialist animals would murder the entire family since the truth about socialism and socialists in general was not known at the time. The civilized folks in the UK did not understand the base animalistic cruel primitive bloodlust that infected the 1917 revolution even though they should have taken notes from across the channel a century before at what the frogs did during their revolution. The British Royal family did understand what can happen when the floodgates are opened and chose not to allow the Romanov lightening rods sanctuary . It has been a moral stain on them for 100 years and one of the most regrettable and tragic episodes in European history.
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Irish_Man said:

Hard to believe they killed the kids as well.
Not when you consider how monarchism works: As soon as one monarch dies, the next in line takes their place. So if you're determined to get rid of a monarchy, you take out the whole line of succession.

Now, killing the servants too...that's just plain bloodthirst.
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The Original AG 76 said:

Irish_Man said:

Bolsheviks

Hard to believe they killed the kids as well.

I've always wondered why didn't they leave Russia before things got out of hand

There were plans for the Romanovs to go to exile in the UK but for reason never fully revealed the plan was nixed at the last minute by George V with the tacit approval of the government. KGV was afraid that the anti-monarch fever seen all over the continent would converge on an exiled Czar who was one of the most autocratic and unpopular monarchs left in a Europe completely upended in turmoil.
Absolutely no one suspected that the socialist animals would murder the entire family since the truth about socialism and socialists in general was not known at the time. The civilized folks in the UK did not understand the base animalistic cruel primitive bloodlust that infected the 1917 revolution even though they should have taken notes from across the channel a century before at what the frogs did during their revolution. The British Royal family did understand what can happen when the floodgates are opened and chose not to allow the Romanov lightening rods sanctuary . It has been a moral stain on them for 100 years and one of the most regrettable and tragic episodes in European history.


I'm not defending the Bolsheviks, but the bolded is an interesting belief given the war that Nikolas was instrumental in causing the war that led to the revolution which overthrew him.
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He was no more instrumental than all the major players at the beginning of the war, and less so than some, but I'm not surprised that you leapt at the chance to straighten us out regarding the good deeds of the Bolsheviks.
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Presley OBannons Sword
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I read it
Sapper Redux
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Presley OBannons Sword said:

I read it


Then please point out where I defended the Bolsheviks?
Presley OBannons Sword
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Your post was the equivalent of saying "with all due respect" and then insulting someone.

It's not like your posting history is a secret. You defend the left every chance you get.
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Presley OBannons Sword said:

Your post was the equivalent of saying "with all due respect" and then insulting someone.

It's not like your posting history is a secret. You defend the left every chance you get.


No, it wasn't. It was taking issue with part of his statement given the history of the Tzar's policies, police and supporters. There's a reason there was a revolution in Russia. And I'm not defending the Bolsheviks. It'd be nice if you could recognize the existence of a spectrum of belief rather than "right good, left bad."
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What would Nicky's legacy be if he had been exiled instead of killed?

I think he'd be seen today as a Russian Kaiser Wilhelm II. A fool who couldn't run a country or win a war.

The Bolsheviks turned him into a martyr.
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commando2004 said:

What would Nicky's legacy be if he had been exiled instead of killed?

I think he'd be seen today as a Russian Kaiser Wilhelm II. A fool who couldn't run a country or win a war.

The Bolsheviks turned him into a martyr.

I think he is already generally viewed as someone who couldn't run a country or win a war. And I think in a lot of ways he could be seen as a fool, but I think his naivety cost him more than his foolishness. But, maybe those are one in the same. I don't think calling him a Russian Kaiser Wilhelm is accurate though.
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Lot's of interesting opinions here, not sure I shed as many tears for Nicholas as OA76 does, nor do I assign as much blame to him as Watson does.
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BQ78 said:

Lot's of interesting opinions here, not sure I shed as many tears for Nicholas as OA76 does, nor do I assign as much blame to him as Watson does.
Im not so much shedding tears of the Czar as I am condemning the slaughter by the primitive animals. Nicholas was a failed autocrat who badly mismanaged his empire and literally drove the Russian peasants into the arms of the socialists. The fall of the Romanov dynasty and the rise of the various " iks " which morphed into communists IS possibly the greatest tragedy in modern human history. My " moral stain " comment was directed at the British Royal Family ( thought that I made that clear ) for their failure to provide asylum for the Romanov family for purely selfish parochial interests.
Nicholas was one of the 20th century's most tragic figures ( in the classical sense) who is guilty of horrific governing, insane war policies and fatal naivety. But the true sub human criminals of this era were the various " iks" who jockeyed back and forth in a typical socialist blood orgy as they forced the disease of socialism on a prostrate Russia.

And for what its worth ...The Kaiser was a mensa candidate compared to his pathetic Russian cousin.
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Dr. Watson said:

It'd be nice if you could recognize the existence of a spectrum of belief rather than "right good, left bad."




You're barely clinging to the left side of the spectrum about to fall off the scale.

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