Amelia Earhart - latest theory

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Watched the History Channel special tonight. Some intriguing assertions.

Most interesting was that the show's aircraft crash investigator appeared to have an Aggie Ring. His name is Dan Hampton, and there is a Dan Hampton '86, USAF officer listed on the AFS site.
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Saw the ring also - was a short & quick shot but was typically
distinctive!!
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Cardiac Saturday said:

Saw the ring also - was a short & quick shot but was typically
distinctive!!
http://www.history.com/specials/amelia-earhart-the-lost-evidence/tracking-amelias-flight-path
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Years ago I was watching a show hosted by Robert Stack part of the "Unsolved Mysteries" series that had a a segment on Earhart. They had an interview with a soldier (or Marine) who had served on Saipan. He claimed he and a buddy came across a hangar with a 1937 Lockheed in it. They were accosted by MPs and escorted out of the area and warned not to talk about it.
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My uncle fought at Saipan and told my dad a similar story. He didn't actually see anything but that was the scuttlebut at the time. I can remember being a kid in the 60's and talking about her disappearance and my dad always said she died on Saipan.
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So I wasted an hour looking for her on the beach at Majuro, Marshall Islands in1946 !
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The film said the image "may hold the key to solving one of history's all-time greatest mysteries" and suggested it disproved the widely accepted theory that Earhart and Noonan disappeared over the western Pacific on 2 July 1937 near the end of their attempt at a history-making flight around the world.

But serious doubts now surround the film's premise after a Tokyo-based blogger unearthed the same photograph in the archives of the National Diet Library, Japan's national library.

The image was part of a Japanese-language travelogue about the South Seas that was published almost two years before Earhart disappeared. Page 113 states the book was published in Japanese-held Palau on 10 October 1935.

The caption beneath the image makes no mention of the identities of the people in the photograph. It describes maritime activity at the harbour on Jabor in the Jaluit atoll the headquarters for Japan's administration of the Marshall Islands between the first world war and its defeat in the second world war.

The caption notes that monthly races between schooners belonging to local tribal leaders and other vessels turned the port into a "bustling spectacle".

Kota Yamano, a military history blogger who unearthed the Japanese photograph, said it took him just 30 minutes to effectively debunk the documentary's central claim.

"I have never believed the theory that Earhart was captured by the Japanese military, so I decided to find out for myself," Yamano told the Guardian. "I was sure that the same photo must be on record in Japan."

Yamano ran an online search using the keyword "Jaluit atoll" and a decade-long timeframe starting in 1930.

"The photo was the 10th item that came up," he said. "I was really happy when I saw it. I find it strange that the documentary makers didn't confirm the date of the photograph or the publication in which it originally appeared. That's the first thing they should have done."
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The so-called History Channel is crap ...
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My favorite BSC Amerlia Earhart theory:

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3. She assumed a fake identity and lived until 1982 in New Jersey.

What do a retired Air Force colonel, a Catholic priest, and a Hollywood producer have to do with Amelia Earhart? They all believe she was secretly rescued from a Japanese prison, returned to the U.S., and assumed the identity of banker Irene Bolam until her death in 1982.

In 2003, Col. Rollin Reineck published Amelia Earhart Survived, an incendiary book that relied on former Seton Hall president and Catholic priest James F. Kelley's claims that he had helped bring Earhart back to the U.S. after the Japanese surrendered in 1945. The book also included Hollywood producer Tod Swindell's photo-overlays, which "proved" that Earhart and Bolam's features were "congruent."

The book built on an earlier work, Amelia Earhart Lives (1970), whose authors, Maj. Joe Gervais and Joe Klaas, were sued by Bolam for $1.5 million. They settled the case out of court.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/8-crazy-conspiracy-theories-about-aviator-amelia-earharts-demise
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I'm sure this is bogus. First of all, this is what Amelia looked like more or less from behind. Her hair is cut much shorter than the woman in the photo, and this pic was taken right before she left:



Secondly, the Japanese-killed-Amelia line argues for a Japanese hostility towards America that was bordering on ISIS evil. In fact, Japan was not particularly hostile to America, and until FDR's oil embargo on them, they constantly pursued ways to ingratiate themselves with the U.S.

From the standpoint of the Japanese Foreign Minister (remember, in 1937, Tojo was still years away from being Prime Minister), they would have loved nothing better than to rescue her and become heroes in America. This would soften American criticism of their "intervention" in China and play into the hands of the isolationists. Rescuing Amelia would have done more for Japan by far than any sort of anti-spying vendetta they may have had.

If Amelia had spied on Japanese outposts, either intentionally or by accident, all she would have seen was Japan pouring concrete bunkers and fortifying these islands, which Japan had captured from Germany in WWI. But this was a 25 year process and was no secret in the U.S.

The bottom line is that the Japanese did not develop a fever-pitch hate of westerners or anything that would have provoked them to risk murdering someone famous until WWII actually commenced.
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I suspect a pathology in the conspiracy, similar to what drives the JFK conspiracy nuts.

For baby boomers, JFK was a perfect demigod who was somehow chosen by providence to be a great leader and transform America, blah blah blah. This guy, to put it simple, is just to important to be killed by a snivelling halfwit failed communist like Lee Harvey Oswald. They subconsciously believe that destiny is something meaningful in history and this "truth" overwhelms the physics of bullet velocities. JFK was meant to be great. How could he have been killed in such a senseless and stupid way?

I think the same thing's going on with some Amelia people. She represents the "truth" that women can do anything. Not to mention that the trip was hazardous and borderline stupid regardless of one's gender, they can't accept the possibility that she just got freakin' lost and crashed, which is the Occam's Razor outcome.
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aalan94 said:

. This guy, to put it simple, is just to important to be killed by a snivelling halfwit failed communist like Lee Harvey Oswald. They subconsciously believe that destiny is something meaningful in history and this "truth" overwhelms the physics of bullet velocities. JFK was meant to be great. How could he have been killed in such a senseless and stupid way?


Oh Jeez...now you have done it. Prepare for incoming.
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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

So I wasted an hour looking for her on the beach at Majuro, Marshall Islands in1946 !


Well this deserves more detail!
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Found the episode to be very interesting, but have no expertise to evaluate the photo concerning proportions and overlays, as explained by their experts.

Something new was the lady from somewhere in the US that said she heard Earhart's transmissions saying she was on Mili Atoll. You just don't come up with a "Mili Atoll" story in the 1930s. Want to explore that a bit more.

Have tried to read what I could concerning Fred Noonan and the equipment he had available to him for the journey. He had an impressive resume.

I first went island jumping in that part of the world around 35 years ago (in a C-130). Pretty much the only reliable tool I had to get a fix was a sextant. Always wondered what happened. As far as I can recall, the closest I ever got to Howland Island was Kwajalein.

Flying around the big pond, DRing, and then trying to get a fix every hour or so, in the 1930s, had to be most challenging. I'm wondering how Fred got a good time hack for his celestial computations.

Even if they got awfully close to the destination, without an NDB or some other radio beacon guidance and without a good ground mapping radar, it's awfully hard to see those atolls, even when you're very very close.

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It's old news that people in the US reported hearing radio calls from Earhart for a few days after she disappeared.

I have no idea of the veracity of those reporting, but if the lady they mentioned really did mention Mili Atoll, that's fascinating. Of course, it assumes that Earhart somehow knew she was on Mili Atoll.
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aalan94 said:

I suspect a pathology in the conspiracy, similar to what drives the JFK conspiracy nuts.
No question ...

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The men who lead such expeditions and each school of Earhart theory have strikingly similar views of their universe: They each think they know the truth about what happened to Amelia Earhart and are one piece of evidence away from proving it to the world. And they wish other folks would stop spouting bogus theories in public.

"This is like fundamentalist ministries of the Deep South," Gillespie said. "This guy's got the ministry of the laying on of hands. And this guy's got the snakes. And this guy's got the speaking in tongues. It gets really passionate and everybody ends up screaming at each other."
That's probably the best metaphorical description one is likely to get regarding the Earhart conspiracy frame of mind ... LOL

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Had not heard of Dan Hampton '86 prior to the show.

Bad ass Wild Weasel, chest full of medals, mercenary after AF career, damn fine aviator, American & Aggie, best selling author of non fiction and fiction. Think I'll order one of his novels.

Some day I hope they find the airframe, a la Titanic.

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If this pic turns out to be something other than what the history channel said it is, the history channel should be taken off the air and also forced to close its twitter account.


At one time I lived that channel and tales of the gun was great to watch.
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Well, well, well......

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/11/536620463/japanese-blogger-points-out-timeline-flaw-in-supposed-earhart-photo



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A Japanese military history buff has found library records showing a photo supposedly depicting Amelia Earhart survived a crash landing in 1937 was actually published two years before the famous aviator vanished.

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The History Channel tells NPR it has "a team of investigators exploring the latest developments about Amelia Earhart and we will be transparent in our findings.

"Ultimately historical accuracy is most important to us and our viewers,"
spokeswoman Kirby Dixon said in a statement.

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Darned Russians!!!
Hey Nav
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The Japanese are cunning and sneaky. They could have easily fabricated the publication date.
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Obviously the work of the famous Russian spy, Richard Sorge. He was in Japan in the 30's
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Old Jock 1997 said:

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

So I wasted an hour looking for her on the beach at Majuro, Marshall Islands in1946 !


Well this deserves more detail!
Navy ! Aerologist ( weatherman S2/c - part of Op. Crosroads - atomic tests - our weather same as Eniwetok and Bikini 200 miles north) Some people thought she might have crashed in the Marshalls . Didn't find a trace, of course .

We used to have Navy pilots wanting weather info on route to Hawaii - I wondered if they had lost their mind.

Side note - a seaplane nicknamed the " Marshall Mars " carrying about a hundred Navy guys or gals came by about every two weeks from Guam. some time later it exploded on a trip from Pearl to Frisco . I had wanted to fly on it when on way to discharge instead of 3 weeks on a troopship.

Just looked it up - NOAA magazine re: finding sunk plane - 1950 - no loss of life - apparently crash landed not too far from Pearl - then exploded'
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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

Old Jock 1997 said:

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

So I wasted an hour looking for her on the beach at Majuro, Marshall Islands in1946 !


Well this deserves more detail!
Navy ! Some people thought she might have crashed in the Marshalls . Didn't find a trace, of course .

We used to have Navy pilots wanting weather info on route to Hawaii - I wondered if they had lost their mind.

Side note - a seaplane nicknamed the " Marshall Mars " carrying about a hundred Navy guys or gals came by about every two weeks from Guam. some time later it exploded on a trip from Pearl to Frisco . I had wanted to fly on it when on way to discharge instead of 3 weeks on a troopship.

Just looked it up - NOAA magazine re: finding sunk plane - 1950 - no loss of life - apparently crash landed not too far from Pearl - then exploded'
The Mars planes are pretty damn cool.




I believe there is only 1 still flying at this point.
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Irish_Man said:

If this pic turns out to be something other than what the history channel said it is, the history channel should be taken off the air and also forced to close its twitter account.


At one time I lived that channel and tales of the gun was great to watch.
they did this with the Escape from Alcatraz/Anglin Brothers doc they did too.

skewed all the facts to the narrative they were pushing. the narrative that they escaped. had facial recognition "experts" and all.

i'm waiting for their next doc "Proof that Franklin D. Roosevelt was really John Wilkes Booth".

and now they are advertising this Jack the Ripper in America program too.
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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

Irish_Man said:

If this pic turns out to be something other than what the history channel said it is, the history channel should be taken off the air and also forced to close its twitter account.


At one time I lived that channel and tales of the gun was great to watch.
they did this with the Escape from Alcatraz/Anglin Brothers doc they did too.

skewed all the facts to the narrative they were pushing. the narrative that they escaped. had facial recognition "experts" and all.

i'm waiting for their next doc "Proof that Franklin D. Roosevelt was really John Wilkes Booth".

and now they are advertising this Jack the Ripper in America program too.
one of the reasons I still have cabe and the more expensive package is in order to get the various " nazi channels" but they are all getting worse and worse. They still do have SOME occasional very good shows and series and I really enjoy watching the " classics" like World At War that they also show but they are almost to the point where it just aint worth it. I really have to wonder about the mentality of the types that watch Alien Ancient Nazi Egyptians on Oak Island Searching For BigFoot garbage that they now spew forth for hours and hours.
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The oak island thing was kind of interesting for a few shows but I couldn't hang on watching a show that would materialize into nothing.
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[#realDonaldTrump]Remember when the History Channel was real history? Now it's just disinformation, Sad! Amelia Earhart: The Lost Evidence, Disgraceful![/#realDonaldTrump]
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Alien Ancient Nazi Egyptians on Oak Island Searching For BigFoot
Best got dam show on TV.
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I still wonder "What happened to Amelia".
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FWIW, Amy Adams made a fine Amelia Earhart in Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian ...

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BrazosBendHorn said:

FWIW, Amy Adams made a fine Amelia Earhart in Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian ...




Yeah she did!
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