catching cheaters cutting courses or using others to run for them.

Especially upsetting seeing people getting into Boston without a legit run.

Website

We have one prominent one here locally......just sayin'.

Wow. The level of detail that guy went into to nail the cheater is awesome.

happens all too often. so often that i don't even really get mad anymore.

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Wow. The level of detail that guy went into to nail the cheater is awesome.

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pretty much goes into that much detail every time. great site.

Like the most recent girl, I'm amazed people can cheat and then go on to BROADCAST their fake accomplishments.

This LINK has a lady who setup a gofundme (still active) to fund her travel expenses to Boston and gave two TV interviews.

Usually the biggest reason is to get to Boston, but even then people are dumb about it.

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AgEng06 said:

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Wow. The level of detail that guy went into to nail the cheater is awesome.

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pretty much goes into that much detail every time. great site.

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Yeah, the Boston one is amazing for a guy like me who likes data... http://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2017/02/an-inside-look-at-boston-marathon.html

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In the 2014 race, an analysis of her performance showed widely divergent times on the four loops of the bike course, suggesting that she had completed some segments of the course in virtually impossible times faster than the fastest male professionals in the race, officials said.

Ironman barred Miller indefinitely from its races, citing repeated rule violations the harshest penalty given to a competitor in memory. (In recent years, two other athletes have been given two-year suspensions for cutting courses, officials said.) In November, Triathlon Canada announced that Miller would be barred from its races, too, for two years, for "multiple breaches" of its rules. It also barred her from competing for Team Canada outside the country, and stripped her of an award she had previously won, the Triathlon Canada Award of Excellence.

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"There was a crowd of girls who almost hero-worshiped her," said Sheena Harris, a triathlete in Squamish. "She had a full-time job, ran her own business, trained full time she was always killing it."

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Repeat Triathalon Cheater

found the BCS guy.

Looks like he's not running Boston this year.

I hate those people. If you want to run Boston and can't get in, find a charity and raise money.

This story in the New Yorker blows my mind. They still can't figure out how this guy is cheating.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/08/06/marathon-man

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found the BCS guy.

Looks like he's not running Boston this year.

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wow. the splits from the first half to the second half; I mean it's so obvious how is no one else questioning this? I guess they just look at overall time and accept it huh?

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found the BCS guy.

Looks like he's not running Boston this year.

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wow. the splits from the first half to the second half; I mean it's so obvious how is no one else questioning this? I guess they just look at overall time and accept it huh?

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b/c a lot of races just don't care. its sad, but true.

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This story in the New Yorker blows my mind. They still can't figure out how this guy is cheating.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/08/06/marathon-man

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So that guy legit invented a marathon in Wyoming to run (and win). Seems like a good idea to me.

'The West Wyoming Marathon did actually exist. It was set up to accommodate our family trip to that area. In planning our vacation, I launched the website for the race, which was set up with race day registation. Over a dozen people indicated that they would likely come & run. I had a local resident lined up to help out. Race morning I got quite a surprise when no one showed up. I ran anyway. As the only entrant I placed both first and last. The first issue of the results contained only my name. A tech savvy friend convinced me this would look ridiculous & he could add some additional names. After thinking that this would in no way harm any other actual person, I agreed. So yes I am absolutely responsible for that. I regret making this snap decision and I realize I should not have ruined something that was meant to be legitimate.

The reviews of Marathon Guide are good.

http://www.marathonguide.com/races/racedetails.cfm?MIDD=3777100703

A racing buddy just BQd at Dallas.

I ran with his bib last year at the Dallas half and put up a 1:38.

His times are all in the 3:30s-3:40s previously to his 3:23:18. (We know this is boarderline)

He also has several 1:35-1:40 halfs.

I hope we didn't screw him.

a one-off isn't going to trigger anything.

i ran with a friend's bib at chicago one year because she was injured, before i understood what that does to others running (don't do it anymore). I definitely got her a "BQ," but she didn't even try to use it. I doubt it even crossed her mind.

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a one-off isn't going to trigger anything.

i ran with a friend's bib at chicago one year because she was injured, before i understood what that does to others running (don't do it anymore). I definitely got her a "BQ," but she didn't even try to use it. I doubt it even crossed her mind.

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In this case, we are almost the same speed, same age, etc. But I got ya.

Whoa! I stumbled upon this site last week and actually came over here to post it. Glad I searched before I did.

I was captivated by these investigations. Good for them for calling the cheaters out!

What kind of sociopaths cheat on these races, which are meant to be personal achievements?

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Whoa! I stumbled upon this site last week and actually came over here to post it. Glad I searched before I did.

I was captivated by these investigations. Good for them for calling the cheaters out!

What kind of sociopaths cheat on these races, which are meant to be personal achievements?

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Face bragging?

Oh, that's certainly it. But that's seriously some sociopath type stuff. I say put them in prison.

Anyone that cheats in golf or running is a moron.

I cheat in golf all the time, but I'm not going to try and claim results based on my toe wedge or improving a lie.

Spotify has a Runners World podcast that has an episode on this. Absolutely worth a listen!

http://www.runnersworld.com/human-race/episode-12-villains-and-vigilantes

I cheat at golf too. Because I'm awful at it.

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I cheat at golf too. Because I'm awful at it.

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That's why I do it too.

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wangus12 said:

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I cheat at golf too. Because I'm awful at it.

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That's why I do it too.

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replace "golf" with "running" and "awful" with "slow" and you are now see why people cheat.

Yeah, but I play golf like 2 times a year and have never in my life signed up for a tournament

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wangus12 said:

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I cheat at golf too. Because I'm awful at it.

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That's why I do it too.

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replace "golf" with "running" and "awful" with "slow" and you are now see why people cheat.

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Here's the deal. I'm the perfect candidate to benefit from cheating. I run 1/2s in the 1:38-1:40 range, and my first full was 3:33. I only need a 3.22 to BQ. So, if anyone benefited from cheating, it would be me.

So I'm not slow, I'm top 15% for my age. But I'm not fast.

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wangus12 said:

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I cheat at golf too. Because I'm awful at it.

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That's why I do it too.

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replace "golf" with "running" and "awful" with "slow" and you are now see why people cheat.

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Here's the deal. I'm the perfect candidate to benefit from cheating. I run 1/2s in the 1:38-1:40 range, and my first full was 3:33. I only need a 3.22 to BQ. So, if anyone benefited from cheating, it would be me.

So I'm not slow, I'm top 15% for my age. But I'm not fast.

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"slow" and "fast" are relative. I'm faster than you. But I'm slow compared to A LOT of my friends.

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Yeah, but I play golf like 2 times a year and have never in my life signed up for a tournament

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you don't think people are cheating on their "PRs" on strava too? just b/c they aren't racing doesn't mean they aren't cheating in other ways.

Good point. I didn't think about the training apps and sharing times.

I don't understand cheating either, but just pointing out how some people might view cheating in running like you view it in golf.

In reality, there are probably thousands of reasons people cheat.

ok, that podcast was insane. I love it how the races won't do anything because they have nearly no free cash flow to defend themselves from a lawsuit. It requires independent investigators to do this stuff for free.

My favorite part was when they offered an accused cheater $100,000 if he could match his time that qualified him for Boston. Dude didn't even attempt it.

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My favorite part was when they offered an accused cheater $100,000 if he could match his time that qualified him for Boston. Dude didn't even attempt it.

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that's b/c Rossi is a cheater.