Ford Mustang Mach-E

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Performance:
  • EPA Est. Target: 300 mi Range (Ext. Range, RWD)
  • 0-60 Target: Mid 3-seconds (GT w/options)
  • Est. Average DC charge: 47mi in 10min (Ext. Range, RWD)

Models/Pricing (pre-incentive prices, all models get $7,500 US tax credit):
  • First Edition: $59,900 MSRP (EPA est. 270 miles, mid 5-second, AWD, 19" wheels)
  • Select: $43,895 MSRP (EPA est. 230 miles, mid 5-second, AWD or RWD, 18" wheels)
  • Premium: $50,600 MSRP (EPA est. 300 miles, mid 5-second, AWD or RWD, 19" wheels)
  • California Route 1: $52,400 (EPA est. 300 miles, mid 6-second, AWD, 18" wheels)
  • GT: $60,500 (EPA est. 235 miles, mid 3-second, AWD, 20" wheels


https://electrek.co/2019/11/14/ford-mach-e-pricing-specs-leaked/

Looks like Tesla has their first actual competition. As long as the tax incentive lasts the Mach-E will be pretty compelling from a price/performance standpoint.

The one big weakness I perceive in the Mach-E is the lack of a charging network even semi-competitive with Tesla's, and slow charge rates.

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Ford claims the car will be able to charge 47 miles in 10 minutes on a 150kW charger. If the car has capacity of ~80kWh for the 300mi version, this suggests a DC charge speed of closer to ~80kW, which is a little on the low side compared to the competition. The Model Y will likely be capable of 250kW charge rates on Tesla's new V3 supercharger.

For comparison:




Duncan Idaho
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Stupid to use the mustang name
cav14
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The fake grill is so dumb to have. It only serves the purpose of mimicking the grills on gas cars to ease regular people to the look of an EV. The Tesla Model S original had one before it was removed in the refresh. At least Ford put something decent out there for their first Mustang EV.
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Duncan Idaho said:

Stupid to use the mustang name


Yes, but then it really isn't an SUV...
ac04
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terrible
Tumble Weed
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That is ugly, even by Ford standards.

It looks like a melted DayQuil gel capsule.
texsn95
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Mustang + mazda 3 hybrid? Bleh
Flaith
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Price is perfect and it looks and performs enough like a Model X that they are going to sell 8 billion of them

Can we talk about how the Pontiac Aztek deserves our apologies for calling it ugly when it was introduced? The market has pivoted to where all CUVs are beginning to look like the Aztek
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Duncan Idaho said:

Stupid to use the mustang name

It worked for the Mustang II so why not?

I'm thinking that Ford sees this as a large part of their future plans to give it the 'Mustang' branding.

I'd hit it. Actually only Ford I'd really consider buying...F150 is close but I'd probably go with another Tundra.
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Duncan Idaho said:

Stupid to use the mustang name

Don't see why attaching this to their only currently successful car is stupid -- especially if the performance fits the Mustang brand.

What else are you going to call/brand it?

Does Ford have an existing viable name plate that would work better?

Thunderbird? (E-Bird instead of T-Bird...)
Probe? (better left forgotten)
Model E? (Tesla-like, but Ford has a Model T & Model A tie-in)
Capri? (mercury is dead, but still a Ford brand)
Cougar? (too Demi Moore)
GT-E? (not sporty enough for glom on to the GT40 badge)
Duncan Idaho
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One word:






Edsel
TexasRebel
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Shelby already has the GTE.
An Ag in CO
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Smart move to use the name so that it may appeal to those that like the Brostang. 'Bout time the electric car segment started getting a Bromobiile or two. Now the Camaro-E/E-Camaro can be unleashed.
P.H. Dexippus
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Coal fired car. So revolutionary.
"[When I was a kid,] I wanted to be a pirate. Thank God no one took me seriously and scheduled me for eye removal and peg leg surgery."- Bill Maher
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Galaxie
Burdizzo
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Ford Gelding

(Stolen from a David Letterman Too Ten list about 40 years ago)
aggieforester05
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Duncan Idaho said:

Stupid to use the mustang name

Also stupid of Tesla to use the supercharger name for their charging network.
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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

Coal fired car. So revolutionary.
I was behind a late model Komatsu corporate F150 yesterday that had a "coal powered" sticker on the back. Wonder if it was an electric conversion. They build gigantic diesel electric powered earth movers here.
Trinity Ag
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Maybe Ford Falcon....

Or Torino....
Duncan Idaho
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aggieforester05 said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Stupid to use the mustang name

Also stupid of Tesla to use the supercharger name for their charging network.

Today I learned that Tesla had a long and cherished history with the "Supercharger" badge.
PMD03
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I am interested, but holding out for the turbo variant.
Ag_of_08
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That thing looks awful...
BigRobSA
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LOL

California f/cks up even electric vehicles. Good Lord that state sucks ass.



***Look at the specs***
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Ag_of_08 said:

That thing looks awful...


It's like there is a law that electric vehicles have to be ugly.
CanyonAg77
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Cstrickland05 said:

Ag_of_08 said:

That thing looks awful...
It's like there is a law that electric vehicles have to be ugly.

You have to make hybrids and electrics look weird so the owners can virtue signal.
woodyhayes
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Millenial chic car.
Buck Turgidson
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Me no likey.
RingOfive
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Ag_of_08
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Cstrickland05 said:

Ag_of_08 said:

That thing looks awful...


It's like there is a law that electric vehicles have to be ugly.


The original Tesla roadster isn't bad looking. There's some damn cool conversions being done that are insanely fast and powerful, but yeah....in general they're fugly. I've never gotten why , beyond virtue signaling, making a car look goofy because it was electric is a thing.
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They are figuring out ways to rape and pillage the earth for rare earth elements right now to make this car as practical as a dino burner. Ya'll need to get with the program of electric cars.
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Tumble Weed said:

That is ugly, even by Ford standards.

It looks like a melted DayQuil gel capsule.
Solid description
MouthBQ98
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So, we're going to have proprietary electric car charging station standards?

Why wouldn't Fords and Tesla's and others be able to charge at the same locations?
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Ford GalaxiE
Ford Escort
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Ford TorEno
agnerd
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Ag_of_08 said:

Cstrickland05 said:

Ag_of_08 said:

That thing looks awful...


It's like there is a law that electric vehicles have to be ugly.


The original Tesla roadster isn't bad looking. There's some damn cool conversions being done that are insanely fast and powerful, but yeah....in general they're fugly. I've never gotten why , beyond virtue signaling, making a car look goofy because it was electric is a thing.
Started with the hybrids. Prius was insanely successful while Civic hybrid barely sold any cars, even though they were better vehicles. Hybrid buyers commented that they didn't want their hybrid to LOOK like non-hybrids. Early on, looks were more important than performance measurables. So while automotive styling has been evolving and generally improving for the last 100 years, hybrids and now electrics need to look different than the refined designs to stand out. Looking different is more important for sales than looking good.
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It's still very much about virtue signaling as for the vast majority of drivers the performance specifications regarding range and the economics are not there. The virtue signaling value for some is worth spending a lot of extra cash.
With Tesla, it's also signaling you are willing and able to spend a big premium to have the latest tech.
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