Corvette lovers--why does the C4 get so much hate?

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Did it get that kind of hate when it was new?

I owned a '94 LT1 and loved it. I sadly had to sell it, but I plan on getting another one when the time is right.

I guess I'm just weird liking C4's better that C5/C6's. I know by the numbers a C5/6 is a better car across the board, but there are just other things about it that make it cooler in my opinion.

-Clamshell hood. Why did they get rid of that on the C5/6???
-LT5 is hands down the best looking engine in any car ever.
-The car actually feels like a sports car should. It's rough, harsh, and raw. You feel like you're in a fighter jet cockpit, not a 500hp Camry.
-It was really the first true sports car 'vette. The previous generations were just a pretty car with a big engine. The C4 can handle really well, even by 21 century standards. A late model C4 can hold it's own against cars like the 370Z.
-Superb driver visibility---there are no "blind spots" in this car. The newer 'vettes aren't bad or anything, but the Camaro is HORRIBLE to drive.

The only knock on the car I can think of is the chassis having too much flex--at least compared to the C5/6. The C4 was the first 'vette chassis designed by computer and during the whole design process, it was supposed to be a T-top. At the very last second when it was too late to start over, the chief engineer said it was going to be a targa top. The only way they could quickly make up the lost rigitity was through making the door sills very high. This led to the car having lots of creaks/squeaks and not as rigid as originally planned. This also made the car a mediocre 'vert platform. The C5 fixed this as they designed it to be a 'vert from day one.

I did autocross my car some and had the opportunity to go in/drive many 'vettes ranging from a '68 all the way up to a brand new Z06 on the track. I think the C4 is the best bang for buck when it comes to performance. Sure, the C5/C6 is faster, but not faster enough to justify 2-6 times the price. Hell, last year, we had a guy from our region racing a 1993 6 speed vette, and he was within 1 second per lap some of the fastest C6 drivers in the region--so he was actually beating some C5/C6's with some decent drivers.
Thoughts?
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I'd like to own one, I just can't grow a good porn mustache
sts7049
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that's what sharpies are for
PMD03
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The only negatives I have heard are the things you mentioned; stiff and squeeky.

My c6 squeeks, too. I hope to fix that with a GHL exhaust. My magnaflows are too quiet.
CATAGBQ04
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I'd seriously rock a 1st gen ZR1, one hell of a car for the money.

Otherwise I just can't get over the looks...they're almost as bad as the C3s.
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Mine!

Samuel E. Cronkowitz
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I love the C4's. They're enormously underpowered by todays standards, and the interior of them is antiquated. But like you, i love the interior in em. And i love the exterior. I'll own a '96 LT4 CE one of these days.
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Speaking of '96 CE's.

Love it.
CATAGBQ04
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Ok I lied, I like that one
1agswitchin4lanes
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If you have the money to buy a mint C4, I'd pick up one of these instead.
CATAGBQ04
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can't

stop

laughing
Street Fighter
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Hitachi...do it!



[This message has been edited by Street Fighter (edited 3/14/2012 3:29p).]
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I'd like to own one, I just can't grow a good porn mustache


Honestly that's pretty much my feeling. Whether right or wrong I have a hard time taking someone who drives a Vette seriously.

No offense intended
MaroonDontRun
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Honestly that's pretty much my feeling. Whether right or wrong I have a hard time taking someone who drives a Vette seriously.

No offense intended


...said the 325i driver.

j/k - ditto, no offense.
CStewTAMU
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I'd like to own one, I just can't grow a good porn mustache

Honestly that's pretty much my feeling. Whether right or wrong I have a hard time taking someone who drives a Vette seriously.

No offense intended


You need a tissue? You have blood coming from your nose. Wait tears too!! A 'vette, which costs half as much as your car just lapped you again!
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Why not compare a C4 to a 300ZX twin turbo from the same era.

That's a more realistic and fair comparison as far as cost, age, tires, brakes, etc.

[This message has been edited by madd_ag_05 (edited 3/14/2012 7:04p).]
CStewTAMU
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Why not compare a C4 to a 300ZX twin turbo from the same era.

That's a more realistic and fair comparison as far as cost, age, tires, brakes, etc.



Well a 1996 Nissan 300ZX turbo is slower than a 1996 Corvette. All 1996 'vettes with manual transmissions have the LT4 which put out a little more power (at least 330hp) than the LT1's 300hp.

In fact, in the 1/4 mile, a 1996 manual is a low 13 second car compared to a high 13 second car for the 300ZX. Hell, a 96 manual transmission 'vette will actually beat a 1997 C5 automatic transmisison 'vette in the 1/4 by a nose.

As far as handling, I'm sure both cars handle well. I know the 'vette does. As I mentioned earlier, with a good driver a late model C4 can hold it's own against some C5's and C6's on an autocross course. I think that would attest to it's handling capabilities as we know for certain that it couldn't keep up with a C5 Z06 or any C6 in the straight away sectionns--in NCCC autoX's, we normally run courses that have more room for acceleration in some spots. Anyone with a 13 second car or faster has at least one opportunity on the straight away to hit 70mph, usually.
fig96
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...said the 325i driver.

j/k - ditto, no offense.


Ha, none taken.


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You need a tissue? You have blood coming from your nose. Wait tears too!! A 'vette, which costs half as much as your car just lapped you again!


Trust me, the reverse pricing model is probably much more accurate My vehicle is much more for transportation than pleasure at this point.
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Good points about acceleration. Your original post said the C4 could hang with a 370Z. From what I've seen the 370Z is a 13.1X car stock, and based on trap speeds and 60' times, the potential seems to be there for high 12s. It would be a driver's race for sure.

I'm not a big fan of autocross for evaluating a sports car. You just can't go fast enough to really explore the car's performance limits. In a racetrack/trackday environment, you'd really see why the C5/C6 are superior to the C4. Autocross is fun and you get a good feel for your car in some ways, but a high speed racetrack environment is a totally different animal...

[This message has been edited by madd_ag_05 (edited 3/14/2012 10:34p).]
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just not as pleasing to the eye as a C3,C5,or C6 imo.
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Well a 1996 Nissan 300ZX turbo is slower than a 1996 Corvette
...and I'd still choose the 300ZX over the C4. It's just so much nicer to look at and be in.

Still looks good after all these years.

The C5 was the first Vette I respected. The C6 the first I would buy.

[This message has been edited by p_bubel (edited 3/14/2012 10:58p).]
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If you have the money to buy a mint C4, I'd pick up one of these instead.

Why on earth would you buy a Z-car when one of these gets better fuel economy AND seats 6 "comfortabry"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InAof_BIFAI&feature=related
mustang6tee8
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1. They are slow.
2. See number 1.

I raced one in my SVT Focus and won. That kind of slow.
CATAGBQ04
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just not as pleasing to the eye as a C3


I guess everyone dips their Oreos a little differently...
EskimoJoe
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For the same money, you could buy like eleventy cavaliers.....
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BLACK GOLD!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InAof_BIFAI&
feature=related


Holy Racial stereotype batman!
Red Five
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God bless the 80s.
Street Fighter
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GTFO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaPDjDHjIAk
ac04
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would much rather have a 300ZX. my only experience with a C4 was not a good one. also in a separate incident my dad was ejected out the roof of one. just don't have a good feeling associated with C4s at all.
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The "wimpy" Corvettes are the late C3s with GM's pathetic smog controlled engines. The C4s aren't slow.

I don't like them because I think the whole car looks like a high school kid styled it. The front end looks like something Pontiac would do. And the overall quality of the car is terrible. The interior is comicly bad.
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Whether right or wrong I have a hard time taking someone who drives a Vette seriously.


What about all the yahoos that roll around in lifted F250's? The ony thing most of those drug stores ever haul around is their own fat asses.
CStewTAMU
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The early C4's were slow, but the later ones were respectable. The ZR-1 was a high 12 second car in the 1/4 mile. In fact, the highest horsepowered vette ever (when rating by modern standards) were the late ZR-1's until like 5-6 years ago. Its 405hp matched even the most powerful C5 Z06 and was only surpassed by the C6 when the C6 base model was bumped from 400 to 436 hp and the c6 Z06 was introduced at 505hp.. The LT4 wasn't far behindths ZR-1.

Saying the C4 Is slow and underpowered is flat out wrong. Yes, an LT4 will hold it's own against even a new 370Z. An LT4 vette is the same 0-60, withinh .1 or .2 in the 1/4 and might even have a faster top speed (170mph).

The C4 isn't bad at all at high speeds compared to the C5/C6.
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370Z is governed at 155mph, and the C4 is probably more aerodynamic, so a higher top speed wouldn't be surprising.

Maybe you should test drive a 370Z, you seem interested in them, and their straightline potential would be close to what you're used to. Their strong suit is high-speed handling, not drag racing. With the proper mods (oil cooler) they are awesome track/backroads cars that happen to be on par with LS1 Camaros in a straight line (stock vs stock).
Samuel E. Cronkowitz
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Saying the C4 Is slow and underpowered is flat out wrong.


No it's not.

They're not underpowered compared to a Civic, but they are when compared to modern standards.

The base for base is lacking ~100 hp, and the LT4 versions are lacking ~175 hp from todays z06's. The c4 zr1 is ~230 hp shy of todays version.

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