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htxag09 said:

It's ok to admit that covid was a threat and not just the flu but still believe we completely overreacted and created a completely new set of issues. It's not one or the other here.


It's supposed to be the Michael Scott thank you gif bit can't post on mobile.

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Double fail post
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The news this afternoon was talking about how you'll likely need a third shot, and probably will need to get a shot yearly going forward.

No shut, huh... I feel like I'm a damn fortuneteller.
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Heard on the radio this morning that there are thousands of people that have been vaccinated and have also since contracted the Corvids. A significant number had to be hospitalized.

Anyone else hear this story?
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Heard on the radio this morning that there are thousands of people that have been vaccinated and have also since contracted the Corvids. A significant number had to be hospitalized.

Anyone else hear this story?


We'll need to wait two more weeks to see the true numbers.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Heard on the radio this morning that there are thousands of people that have been vaccinated and have also since contracted the Corvids. A significant number had to be hospitalized.

Anyone else hear this story?


About 5000 cases...out of 77,000,000 vaccinations. That's 0.007%.
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third coast.. said:

People suck at numbers. If they ate playing thst on the radio the morons will maintain their fear.


And my numbers were initially off. I corrected my post and the percentage is even lower!
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third coast.. said:

Right. What I'm saying is that folks hear THOUSANDS INFECTED and their fear bones go full bore. So sick of it.


I hear ya. Hundreds of people die every single day in car accidents. The fear-mongering has become an art form.
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Vaccine is 99.993% effective for a virus with a 0.03% mortality rate if infected.

This is a tough one, but imma go ahead and take my chances and just play the cards I was dealt.

Injecting a vaccine produced under emergency authorization when there is no emergency still doesn't seem like a good idea.
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Lots of good replies to CNN...

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Adding to Tomball

Spring branch said no masks next year. I've heard Klein said the same but don't see it on their Facebook
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Liol. Took them less than 12 hrs to change the beltway signs. "Help reopen....get vaccinated!"
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Just go get your damn shot. (TM)
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TXTransplant said:

third coast.. said:

People suck at numbers. If they ate playing thst on the radio the morons will maintain their fear.


And my numbers were initially off. I corrected my post and the percentage is even lower!
And it's just like everything else with this shyte....you have to look behind the numbers. One 45 year old guy in Mississippi had a stroke after getting the J&J vaccine.....OK. Let's not pull the whole supply because of it.

But seriously, the two-shot vaccines are the way to go if you have a choice.

Anyway, the amount of disinformation and fear mongering that is STILL going on is just brain deadening.
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Anyway, the amount of disinformation and fear mongering that is STILL going on is just brain deadening.
I'd say 99% of that is from the government and their "experts." Instead of vaccinating the most vulnerable in society (we have 13+ months worth of data to know who that is) and letting people return to normal, they're trying to mandate everyone get in via vaccine passports and wanting to limit where you're able to go if you choose not to get one. On top of that, what's the proverbial carrot for getting vaccinated? They still say you need to mask up and can't go back to normal after you get one, so why would someone choose to do it if nothing changes? Also, why would someone who already had COVID need the vaccine? These are legit questions they're not giving a clear answer to.

Lord Fauci stated yesterday why you need to mask up after getting the vaccine by saying you can still have the virus and pass it along, but you also have the CDC director saying you can't get the virus once you're vaccinated. So...which is it? The "experts" we should be listening to can't even agree.

If you want people to comply and get vaccinated, be upfront and honest with the public. Give metrics that are actually achievable. Sorry, we're never getting to 0% positivity rate nor are we curing death.

Then there's this.

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Though VICP covers vaccines for diseases including human papillomavirus (HPV), measles, mumps, polio and seasonal influenza, it does not cover any COVID-19 vaccines.
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HHS Secretary Alex Azar invoked PREP in February in response to the pandemic, declaring COVID-19 to be "a public health emergency warranting liability protections for covered countermeasures."

This means that companies like Moderna and Pfizer are protected from lawsuits regarding their COVID-19 vaccines until 2024.

The Associated Press reported that VICP has paid much more in compensation than CICP has. Only 29 out of 499 people who made claims under CICP received compensation.

Since the late 1980s, VICP has provided $4.4 billion in total compensation, with an average of $570,000 per claim. Since 2005, CICP has provided petitioners, who mostly made claims about the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, $6 million in compensation, with an average of $200,000 per claim. According to the Associated Press, "payments in most death cases are capped at $370,376" for CICP.

VICP allows individuals to make claims within three years of their first symptom. CICP, on the other hand, allows petitioners only one year from the date of vaccination.

CICP doesn't pay fees for lawyers or expert witnesses or provide awards for suffering or damages; VICP does. VICP also permits appeals all the way to the Supreme Court.

In other words, people who make claims about injuries or allergic reactions to either of the COVID-19 vaccines have less time to make their petitions than people who have filed claims for injuries from vaccines related to the measles or the flu. They also are less likely to receive compensation for injuries from COVID-19 vaccines, and if they do receive compensation, it likely will be a smaller amount.

The Ruling

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Pharmaceutical companies are protected from liability regarding the COVID-19 vaccines. If someone has an allergic reaction or injury from one of the vaccines, they can petition to receive compensation from the Department of Health and Human Services' (HHS) Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP).

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), which also falls under the jurisdiction of HHS, has a better record of providing compensation to people who claim injury from a vaccine than CICP but covers vaccines for diseases such as polio and seasonal influenza, not COVID-19.
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It's not just looking behind the numbers. It's perspective, too. There is no reason the CDC and the media can't report those 5000 cases from a "glass half full" perspective. In fact, I'd argue they have a moral and ethical responsibility to report it that way. The vaccine is actually working BETTER than in the trials.

Instead, we get "OMG, the vaccine doesn't protect 100% of the population! Stay home! Keep wearing your masks!"

Like you said, the fear porn is just maddening. They are twisting something that should be the best news we've heard in over a year into a negative. It's disgusting.
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I mean this seems relevant, but it'll get no attention

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Like liberals care about those people? They'll still have their vote, so...
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Stats don't matter. FEAR THE FEAR!!!
Gig'em Class of '06
TarponChaser
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This statement right here sums up why Fauci cannot be allowed to have a say in this any longer, "You're looking at it as liberty and freedom. I look at it as a public health measure to prevent people from dying and going to the hospital."

The 1:25 mark.

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Yep, and that's why Fauci needs to be sent back to whatever bureaucrat office he came from, because he can give 2 ****s about anything outside of the virus. Dude is the highest paid person in the effing United States Government and hasn't missed a paycheck. In fact, he's probably made more money this past year than he has in his entire government career. Schools closed? Fauci don't care. He can afford private. Laid off because your company is trying to stay afloat from the loss of business? Fauci don't care. He's on the government tit, and your taxes aren't going down.
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I honestly don't get the anger in that statement. Dr Fauci, while I may dislike him, is the chief medical advisor to the president. His job is the health portion of it, not liberties and freedoms or economy. He is there to provide expertise to the president/White House on the health, medical, hospital side of it. They are then supposed to work with economic experts, constitutional experts, etc. and come up with their own educated decision. It's not Dr. Fauci's job to make the final decisions, but we've basically turned everything he says into the end all be all when it should just be one piece of a puzzle.
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Dont get in the way of misplaced outraged.
TarponChaser
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htxag09 said:

I honestly don't get the anger in that statement. Dr Fauci, while I may dislike him, is the chief medical advisor to the president. His job is the health portion of it, not liberties and freedoms or economy. He is there to provide expertise to the president/White House on the health, medical, hospital side of it. They are then supposed to work with economic experts, constitutional experts, etc. and come up with their own educated decision. It's not Dr. Fauci's job to make the final decisions, but we've basically turned everything he says into the end all be all when it should just be one piece of a puzzle.

Whether or not it's his job, virtually everybody in government has abdicated their responsibility in the matter by deferring to Fauci and failing to properly balance the risks here. Even more depressing are the legions of Twittiots on that thread who are defending Fauci and saying "stay home, wear masks."

This **** cannot go on.
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Cyp0111 said:

Dont get in the way of misplaced outraged.

Oh great, another Branch Covidian who will happily have this thing go on indefinitely.

If you're not angry about this, you're part of the problem.
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Cyp0111 said:

Dont get in the way of misplaced outraged.

How big is that poster of Fauci you have hanging over your bed?
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Lmao. I don't disagree with you on the overall response. And I don't like fauci for a lot of reasons. But we have subject matter experts for a specific reason. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I like what his message has been, but the fact is hes representing the medical side of it. Medical side is going to say what they think on their end, that needs to be weighed with other factors.

Why don't you direct your anger to those that have had 100x more of an actual impact to both of us, our local governments.
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htxag09 said:

Lmao. I don't disagree with you on the overall response. And I don't like fauci for a lot of reasons. But we have subject matter experts for a specific reason. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I like what his message has been, but the fact is hes representing the medical side of it. Medical side is going to say what they think on their end, that needs to be weighed with other factors.

Why don't you direct your anger to those that have had 100x more of an actual impact to both of us, our local governments.
I have plenty of anger to spread around on this matter.
Cyp0111
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It's quite obvious.
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