c'mon man. Don't you know that everybody is beautiful and we need to embrace the fatties.
I agree. I had 2 back surgeries in 2019 and my rehab was stunted by COVID and I got into a very bad set of habits (or they just got worse from '18 and '19 when my back was giving me all sorts of issues).third coast.. said:
Like I said before, if any of these people actually cared about the health of Americans, they would be making exercise or proper diet mandatory for everyone with a calorie or fitness tracking app, instead of mandating people stay home or wear masks. Obesity kills far more Americans than covid ever will, and it is a continuing problem.
Wow!AlaskanAg99 said:third coast.. said:
Like I said before, if any of these people actually cared about the health of Americans, they would be making exercise or proper diet mandatory for everyone with a calorie or fitness tracking app, instead of mandating people stay home or wear masks. Obesity kills far more Americans than covid ever will, and it is a continuing problem.
I'm all on a sugary food tax plan. In the world of wants and needs, you don't need excess sugar.
Keegan99 said:
International? Fine. Countries can police their borders.
Domestically? GTFO.
At the population level, there is a massive cost to all for people making poor decisions. This just puts that burden back on the consumer.kapon said:Wow!AlaskanAg99 said:third coast.. said:
Like I said before, if any of these people actually cared about the health of Americans, they would be making exercise or proper diet mandatory for everyone with a calorie or fitness tracking app, instead of mandating people stay home or wear masks. Obesity kills far more Americans than covid ever will, and it is a continuing problem.
I'm all on a sugary food tax plan. In the world of wants and needs, you don't need excess sugar.
I cannot get on board with a tax on something that "someone" says is for my own good.
What's next? You watch too much TV. We will tax you if you stream > X amount per week.
You homebrew? If you brew too much we will tax you.
Where would it end?
Why do you think we're friends?htxag09 said:
c'mon man. Don't you know that everybody is beautiful and we need to embrace the fatties.
AlaskanAg99 said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html
KEY POINTS
- About 78% of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a new study Monday.
- Just over 42% of the U.S. population was considered obese in 2018, according to the agency's most recent statistics. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 or more, while obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30 or more.
- "As clinicians develop care plans for COVID-19 patients, they should consider the risk for severe outcomes in patients with higher BMIs, especially for those with severe obesity," the CDC wrote.
While I'm not a big fan of taxes, it's really time to add a Fat Tax. Fast food, candy, soft drinks and alcohol and other highly sugary foods. 15% tax (because most of it is cheap) and reduce subsidizes to the sugar industry.
Before I get flamed, I'm fat. I've already dropped 35lbs via a proper diet and counting calories/portion control. I also used to be very fit/lifter and I carry a lot of muscle so my BMI will never be 'right' and I also understand the BMI calculators are highly flawed. However, it's very easy to not pay an additional tax by simply not purchasing the foods that are leading to a large health crisis even before COVID. Taxes would stay local and go to hospital systems and/or business that move into underserved areas (assuming they're not rioted and burned down). And to make sure the taxes aren't pilferred, no more than 5% of it can be spent on administration of sending those funds back out.
The only time you'll ever hear me give kudos to the Obamas, but I give Michelle props for the "Let's Move" campaign idea while she was FLOTUS. They just did horribly with implementing it. Sound idea, horrible roll out.third coast.. said:
Like I said before, if any of these people actually cared about the health of Americans, they would be making exercise or proper diet mandatory for everyone with a calorie or fitness tracking app, instead of mandating people stay home or wear masks. Obesity kills far more Americans than covid ever will, and it is a continuing problem.
XpressAg09 said:Why do you think we're friends?htxag09 said:
c'mon man. Don't you know that everybody is beautiful and we need to embrace the fatties.
Just another sin tax. I don't think a tax is the answer personally because the government will just piss the money away as usual. Something needs to be done though to try to reduce the obesity epidemic in the US. Obesity is a true epidemic in this country. Not COVID.kapon said:Wow!AlaskanAg99 said:third coast.. said:
Like I said before, if any of these people actually cared about the health of Americans, they would be making exercise or proper diet mandatory for everyone with a calorie or fitness tracking app, instead of mandating people stay home or wear masks. Obesity kills far more Americans than covid ever will, and it is a continuing problem.
I'm all on a sugary food tax plan. In the world of wants and needs, you don't need excess sugar.
I cannot get on board with a tax on something that "someone" says is for my own good.
What's next? You watch too much TV. We will tax you if you stream > X amount per week.
You homebrew? If you brew too much we will tax you.
Where would it end?
Agreed. It all starts in the home environment. Unfortunately too many people in this country think it is the responsiblity of the schools to raise and take care of their sex trophies in all functions and they're just passive parents when school isn't in session.third coast.. said:
That with her school meal program were the major problems. They were classifying pizza as a fruit iirc and the program led to so much food wastage because kids didn't want that stuff so they just tossed it. It's another function of bad home life. Parents feed their kids trash so the kids will only want trash at school. If kids don't learn to eat right at home and have parents who don't care then the kids are going to be fat little porkers eating doritos and drinking mountain dew. I dislike fat people but dislike people who allow their children to be fat even more. Straight up ruining the kids life before it has even begun.
Oh, the problem isn't and won't go away anytime soon. I recognize that. I like the tax credit idea, but then we would just hear *****ing that it is a tax break for the well to do because they can afford to eat properly. ****ing head of lettuce and 5lbs of chicken breast can be had for under 12 bucks and feed a family of four two nights. But we can't talk about that sort of logic.J_Daddy05 said:
Completely Agree. However not the government's solution to solve. Until we start forcing people to deal with their own life decisions (instead of being bailed out by gov't and taxpayers) the problem will not go away.
Part of this I thought about later, but in High School mandatory classes should include nutrition/cooking. If parents won't teach their kids how to read labels, then the school should.third coast.. said:
That with her school meal program were the major problems. They were classifying pizza as a fruit iirc and the program led to so much food wastage because kids didn't want that stuff so they just tossed it. It's another function of bad home life. Parents feed their kids trash so the kids will only want trash at school. If kids don't learn to eat right at home and have parents who don't care then the kids are going to be fat little porkers eating doritos and drinking mountain dew. I dislike fat people but dislike people who allow their children to be fat even more. Straight up ruining the kids life before it has even begun.
What's the over/under on BMI and credit card debt for public school teachers?AlaskanAg99 said:Part of this I thought about later, but in High School mandatory classes should include nutrition/cooking. If parents won't teach their kids how to read labels, then the school should.third coast.. said:
That with her school meal program were the major problems. They were classifying pizza as a fruit iirc and the program led to so much food wastage because kids didn't want that stuff so they just tossed it. It's another function of bad home life. Parents feed their kids trash so the kids will only want trash at school. If kids don't learn to eat right at home and have parents who don't care then the kids are going to be fat little porkers eating doritos and drinking mountain dew. I dislike fat people but dislike people who allow their children to be fat even more. Straight up ruining the kids life before it has even begun.
And also personal finance. Understand how loans work, how to make a budget, how to save for retirement etc...
I know your joking about the weigh stations, but the current BMI is so highly flawed. I'd have to cut limbs off to get down to a 'healthy' weight because in addition to being too fat, I used to lift and still carry a lot of muscle. I don't think anyone would say I look 'fat', but my BMI is high. I will continue to lose weight but I'll never hit the healthy BMI number.third coast.. said:AlaskanAg99 said:
And how do you prove that you're living a 'heathy lifestyle'?
Government weigh stations and blood work
AlaskanAg99 said:
And how do you prove that you're living a 'heathy lifestyle'?
third coast.. said:
I dislike fat people but dislike people who allow their children to be fat even more. Straight up ruining the kids life before it has even begun.
AlaskanAg99 said:I agree. I had 2 back surgeries in 2019 and my rehab was stunted by COVID and I got into a very bad set of habits (or they just got worse from '18 and '19 when my back was giving me all sorts of issues).third coast.. said:
Like I said before, if any of these people actually cared about the health of Americans, they would be making exercise or proper diet mandatory for everyone with a calorie or fitness tracking app, instead of mandating people stay home or wear masks. Obesity kills far more Americans than covid ever will, and it is a continuing problem.
The crazy part is, I'm losing the weight with zero exercise (back is still jacked up). I homebrew, I love bourbon, I love smoked foods, but I'm the only one responsible for what I shove in my facehole. I still have a long way to go, but it can be done with the right tools (free aps) and self discipline.
I'm all on a sugary food tax plan. In the world of wants and needs, you don't need excess sugar.
Me too. But that changes and habits tend not to. But you cannot deny the cost to society that obesity has. ****, even the entire COVID response may not have been as severe/long with businesses being shut down. Even if YOU aren't fat, that doesn't mean you're free from the consequences of others poor decisions.SoupNazi2001 said:Fitch said:AlaskanAg99 said:I agree. I had 2 back surgeries in 2019 and my rehab was stunted by COVID and I got into a very bad set of habits (or they just got worse from '18 and '19 when my back was giving me all sorts of issues).third coast.. said:
Like I said before, if any of these people actually cared about the health of Americans, they would be making exercise or proper diet mandatory for everyone with a calorie or fitness tracking app, instead of mandating people stay home or wear masks. Obesity kills far more Americans than covid ever will, and it is a continuing problem.
The crazy part is, I'm losing the weight with zero exercise (back is still jacked up). I homebrew, I love bourbon, I love smoked foods, but I'm the only one responsible for what I shove in my facehole. I still have a long way to go, but it can be done with the right tools (free aps) and self discipline.
I'm all on a sugary food tax plan. In the world of wants and needs, you don't need excess sugar.
I said the same thing a couple years ago to a group at dinner and the women there about leapt out of their chairs ready to fight and flay me alive.
Addicts, all of them, I suppose.
I think it's dumb. People who are younger and work out and exercise a lot can eat almost anything. Before I turned 40 I could eat anything and not gain a pound because I was so active.
Fitch said:
Not to beat the dead horse, but go anywhere else in the world and the big takeaway you're hit with repeatedly is the US is the only spot on earth with fat people everywhere and news that focuses on only domestic issues. Doubt that will ever be any different, especially after the year just past.
Fitch said:
Yup. Tons more smokers in Europe, Asia. Air quality in Asia is especially terrible. Came back with pneumonia after spending a couple days in Saigon once.
Interestingly, I've heard there are much higher rates of diabetes in predominately Islamic countries due to sugar intake in lieu of alcohol (Turkish delight, sugary Moroccan teas, etc). Gotta get the vice in one way or another.
If you go anywhere else in the world, the US is the only spot on earth where there's anything wrong. **** them.Fitch said:
Not to beat the dead horse, but go anywhere else in the world and the big takeaway you're hit with repeatedly is the US is the only spot on earth with fat people everywhere and news that focuses on only domestic issues. Doubt that will ever be any different, especially after the year just past.