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CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

Diggity said:

is that why they were always wearing them while traveling?
The Chinese are also brainwashed sheep who do what their government tells them to do without questioning it. It's been beaten into their head since birth that the government knows best.
Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?
Because the propaganda that comes from the news in China (all government controlled) is one of fear, caution, and divide. They're led to believe that everything in Mainland China is the greatest in the world whereas everything outside of Mainland China is wasteland. Notice how most social media/networking sites are banned in China. It is so they can control the flow of information that their surfs see and know.
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CoachRTM said:

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

CoachRTM said:

I don't understand the people who are upset with others wearing masks. If you don't want to wear one, don't. If a store requires it, either put it on or go somewhere else. 5 years from now when COVID is just a memory, there will still be some people wearing masks - it was common in Asia even before COVID, and I would imagine something similar will happen now here.

Maybe it's just me, but life's too short to get triggered by every person walking around in a mask when it is a personal/ business choice on whether or not they are wearing it (in Texas anyway).



.... And this is coming from someone who thinks that wearing masks is just emotion theater the way 99% of people wear them.
People absolutely have the right to continue to wear masks or any other silly stuff that they want to wear. Businesses absolutely have the right to require masks or any other silly stuff they want to require.

But many people are sheep and won't ditch the mask until others do as well. I went to a completely outdoor event in a huge, spread out park this past weekend and probably 75% of the 2000+ people there wore masks throughout. There was no requirement, there's no state or local mask mandate in place, and there's honestly no risk since it was outside and completely spread out. Yet, the masks continue.

Is it their right? Sure. Is it good for us as a society? Absolutely not. I'm not "triggered" by others wearing masks. But, especially in outdoor situations, it's disheartening.
Ok, so you are disheartened by others' decisions that they personally make. I can understand that. Can you also understand why they would be disheartened by your decision to not wear one? From their vantage point, wearing a mask is (at worst) a minor inconvenience that could "save lives".

Take who is right out of the equation, because they believe you are just as wrong as you believe they are.

Personally, I'm disheartened but the sheer numbers of people, many of whom I once thought as intelligent and rational people, who completely abandon all semblance of reason and rational analysis. The people who unquestioningly follow the government and news media and help continue to peddle fear porn on a massive scale. People who absolutely refuse to take a step back, look at everything with a critical eye and truly thing but rather retreat into a hysterical paranoia. People who are not only willing but practically rush to cede their personal liberty and status as a free and free thinking individual to a government over something that will only seriously impact a minuscule percentage of the population. And I'm disheartened by people who are so wrapped up in their fear and anxiety that they complete lose all semblance of normalcy and completely attack those who actually have taken a reasoned approach and really looked at the data.

I'm disheartened that any time a legitimate expert presents real factual analysis and study that shows this whole thing isn't nearly as bad as the covidians have claimed is mercilessly attacked.

I'm disheartened because this whole thing has made it abundantly clear that vast numbers of doctors have zero connection to reality. They seem to not understand that on a long enough timeline everyone's chances of survival drop to zero and instead wish to encase us all in protective bubbles.

And you cannot take "who is right" out of the equation. The data shows the covidians are wrong and have been all along. Empathizing with their beliefs is nothing more than enabling a delusion not grounded in fact.
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CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

CoachRTM said:

I don't understand the people who are upset with others wearing masks. If you don't want to wear one, don't. If a store requires it, either put it on or go somewhere else. 5 years from now when COVID is just a memory, there will still be some people wearing masks - it was common in Asia even before COVID, and I would imagine something similar will happen now here.

Maybe it's just me, but life's too short to get triggered by every person walking around in a mask when it is a personal/ business choice on whether or not they are wearing it (in Texas anyway).



.... And this is coming from someone who thinks that wearing masks is just emotion theater the way 99% of people wear them.
People absolutely have the right to continue to wear masks or any other silly stuff that they want to wear. Businesses absolutely have the right to require masks or any other silly stuff they want to require.

But many people are sheep and won't ditch the mask until others do as well. I went to a completely outdoor event in a huge, spread out park this past weekend and probably 75% of the 2000+ people there wore masks throughout. There was no requirement, there's no state or local mask mandate in place, and there's honestly no risk since it was outside and completely spread out. Yet, the masks continue.

Is it their right? Sure. Is it good for us as a society? Absolutely not. I'm not "triggered" by others wearing masks. But, especially in outdoor situations, it's disheartening.
Ok, so you are disheartened by others' decisions that they personally make. I can understand that. Can you also understand why they would be disheartened by your decision to not wear one? From their vantage point, wearing a mask is (at worst) a minor inconvenience that could "save lives".

Take who is right out of the equation, because they believe you are just as wrong as you believe they are.

I'm sure if you ask them where the 6' rule came from, they couldn't tell you. And if you tell them it was pulled out of someone's ass, they wouldn't believe you, even when you show them proof. You'd think that would be enough for people to question what other BS we've been dealing with for the past year that was forced upon us with zero scientific evidence of it actually working.
I'm sure they'd answer that it came from the CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to. They believe science is on their side.


Look - I'm not arguing one way or another, I'm trying to reasonably see both sides. There are idiots on both sides of the argument.

You mean the same CDC which recently admitted the completely pulled the 6' rule out of their collective asses?

That's the entire point. Even when shown that data the covidians don't accept it.

Studies show lockdowns don't work and mask use (as used by the general public, not medical professionals) are wholly ineffective. The data conclusively shows that isolating the most vulnerable and letting the rest go about their business to build herd immunity was the best path. Instead we've broken society and completely destroyed the lives of millions of people.
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We are doomed. The director of the CDC says so.

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And the President agrees....I think? I'm not sure

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CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

Diggity said:

is that why they were always wearing them while traveling?
The Chinese are also brainwashed sheep who do what their government tells them to do without questioning it. It's been beaten into their head since birth that the government knows best.
Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?

You don't see how someone telling you something your whole life, believing it, and doing the same thing when you're visiting another country? If you were told your whole life that walking with high knees was the proper way to walk, you'd stop the moment you land in London?
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CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

CoachRTM said:

I don't understand the people who are upset with others wearing masks. If you don't want to wear one, don't. If a store requires it, either put it on or go somewhere else. 5 years from now when COVID is just a memory, there will still be some people wearing masks - it was common in Asia even before COVID, and I would imagine something similar will happen now here.

Maybe it's just me, but life's too short to get triggered by every person walking around in a mask when it is a personal/ business choice on whether or not they are wearing it (in Texas anyway).



.... And this is coming from someone who thinks that wearing masks is just emotion theater the way 99% of people wear them.
People absolutely have the right to continue to wear masks or any other silly stuff that they want to wear. Businesses absolutely have the right to require masks or any other silly stuff they want to require.

But many people are sheep and won't ditch the mask until others do as well. I went to a completely outdoor event in a huge, spread out park this past weekend and probably 75% of the 2000+ people there wore masks throughout. There was no requirement, there's no state or local mask mandate in place, and there's honestly no risk since it was outside and completely spread out. Yet, the masks continue.

Is it their right? Sure. Is it good for us as a society? Absolutely not. I'm not "triggered" by others wearing masks. But, especially in outdoor situations, it's disheartening.
Ok, so you are disheartened by others' decisions that they personally make. I can understand that. Can you also understand why they would be disheartened by your decision to not wear one? From their vantage point, wearing a mask is (at worst) a minor inconvenience that could "save lives".

Take who is right out of the equation, because they believe you are just as wrong as you believe they are.

I'm sure if you ask them where the 6' rule came from, they couldn't tell you. And if you tell them it was pulled out of someone's ass, they wouldn't believe you, even when you show them proof. You'd think that would be enough for people to question what other BS we've been dealing with for the past year that was forced upon us with zero scientific evidence of it actually working.
I'm sure they'd answer that it came from the CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to. They believe science is on their side.


Look - I'm not arguing one way or another, I'm trying to reasonably see both sides. There are idiots on both sides of the argument.

Came from the CDC who pulled it out of their ass and had zero scientific proof for it. Do you honestly not see the issue there or are you choosing to be obtuse on purpose?
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aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

Diggity said:

is that why they were always wearing them while traveling?
The Chinese are also brainwashed sheep who do what their government tells them to do without questioning it. It's been beaten into their head since birth that the government knows best.
Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?

You don't see how someone telling you something your whole life, believing it, and doing the same thing when you're visiting another country? If you were told your whole life that walking with high knees was the proper way to walk, you'd stop the moment you land in London?
Legitimately asking - has China (or any country) told citizens their whole life that they need to wear a mask to protect against viruses? (I'm talking about pre-COVID)


If so, Irish's first hand account of them being used sparingly in China directly contradicts what you are saying..... or they're not sheep and just don't listen to the government.
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she should be fired immediately

not for being necessarily wrong, but for losing composure on a serious matter when strength is required and clear communication critical

just ****ing disgraceful
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aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

CoachRTM said:

I don't understand the people who are upset with others wearing masks. If you don't want to wear one, don't. If a store requires it, either put it on or go somewhere else. 5 years from now when COVID is just a memory, there will still be some people wearing masks - it was common in Asia even before COVID, and I would imagine something similar will happen now here.

Maybe it's just me, but life's too short to get triggered by every person walking around in a mask when it is a personal/ business choice on whether or not they are wearing it (in Texas anyway).



.... And this is coming from someone who thinks that wearing masks is just emotion theater the way 99% of people wear them.
People absolutely have the right to continue to wear masks or any other silly stuff that they want to wear. Businesses absolutely have the right to require masks or any other silly stuff they want to require.

But many people are sheep and won't ditch the mask until others do as well. I went to a completely outdoor event in a huge, spread out park this past weekend and probably 75% of the 2000+ people there wore masks throughout. There was no requirement, there's no state or local mask mandate in place, and there's honestly no risk since it was outside and completely spread out. Yet, the masks continue.

Is it their right? Sure. Is it good for us as a society? Absolutely not. I'm not "triggered" by others wearing masks. But, especially in outdoor situations, it's disheartening.
Ok, so you are disheartened by others' decisions that they personally make. I can understand that. Can you also understand why they would be disheartened by your decision to not wear one? From their vantage point, wearing a mask is (at worst) a minor inconvenience that could "save lives".

Take who is right out of the equation, because they believe you are just as wrong as you believe they are.

I'm sure if you ask them where the 6' rule came from, they couldn't tell you. And if you tell them it was pulled out of someone's ass, they wouldn't believe you, even when you show them proof. You'd think that would be enough for people to question what other BS we've been dealing with for the past year that was forced upon us with zero scientific evidence of it actually working.
I'm sure they'd answer that it came from the CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to. They believe science is on their side.


Look - I'm not arguing one way or another, I'm trying to reasonably see both sides. There are idiots on both sides of the argument.

Came from the CDC who pulled it out of their ass and had zero scientific proof for it. Do you honestly not see the issue there or are you choosing to be obtuse on purpose?
Everything was pretty civil around here until you started popping up. Chill out a little bit.

I understand the CDC did (does) not have any scientific data for the 6-foot guidelines and has since reduced it to 3 feet. I understand why you don't trust the CDC. I didn't say I agreed with the people who blindly follow the CDC, because I don't.

I CAN at least understand people who do trust them, however. If you don't trust them, who are you supposed to trust and listen to? I'd rather it be the CDC or WHO than the US Government.
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cone said:

she should be fired immediately

not for being necessarily wrong, but for losing composure on a serious matter when strength is required and clear communication critical

just ****ing disgraceful
Agreed. Poor leadership there - "impending doom" is a joke when you talk about where we are and where we came from.

I guess one thing to keep in mind is that we may be rounding 2nd or 3rd base when it comes to the vaccine here in the United States, but we are FAR ahead of the curve when compared to Europe, Asia, and even moreso when you start to think about lesser developed country. Maybe some of that is coming from that point of view? I don't know - either way it's not good.
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I'd rather it be the CDC or WHO than the US Government.


The CDC *is* the US Government.
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Sorry - I meant politicians. Lazy wording by me.

I'd rather trust the Doctors in the CDC moreso than the politicans in the US Government.... even if just incrementally.
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Man, just came back from Home Depot and I didn't wear a mask. It felt so damn empowering. I saw another guy without a mask and I wanted to run up to him and give him a high five but he was carrying a heavy item. I just gave him a bro nod instead.

I'm fixing to go bang some hoes right now.

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

Diggity said:

is that why they were always wearing them while traveling?
The Chinese are also brainwashed sheep who do what their government tells them to do without questioning it. It's been beaten into their head since birth that the government knows best.
Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?

You don't see how someone telling you something your whole life, believing it, and doing the same thing when you're visiting another country? If you were told your whole life that walking with high knees was the proper way to walk, you'd stop the moment you land in London?
Has China (or any country) told citizens their whole life that they need to wear a mask to protect against viruses. (I'm talking about pre-COVID)


If so, Irish's first hand account of them being used sparingly in China directly contradicts what you are saying..... or they're not sheep and just don't listen to the government.
Let me repost what I said, which is not me saying the government told them to wear a mask.

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The Chinese are also brainwashed sheep who do what their government tells them to do without questioning it. It's been beaten into their head since birth that the government knows best.
My point is not that they've been told their whole lives to wear a mask, but they're raise to never question what their government tells them and that their government knows what is best for them, so when their government tells them something, they believe it, never question it, and do it. Those that don't are sent to "re-education" camps at the bottom of a pit of other people never to be heard from again.
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Ok, so let me re-post what I responded with if that's what we're doing now :

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Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?

Nothing you just posted has anything to do with wearing masks pre-COVID. I understand that you dislike China. Fantastic, me too - we're on the same page. I still have no idea why that has anything to do with the conversation you were responding to.


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CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

CoachRTM said:

I don't understand the people who are upset with others wearing masks. If you don't want to wear one, don't. If a store requires it, either put it on or go somewhere else. 5 years from now when COVID is just a memory, there will still be some people wearing masks - it was common in Asia even before COVID, and I would imagine something similar will happen now here.

Maybe it's just me, but life's too short to get triggered by every person walking around in a mask when it is a personal/ business choice on whether or not they are wearing it (in Texas anyway).



.... And this is coming from someone who thinks that wearing masks is just emotion theater the way 99% of people wear them.
People absolutely have the right to continue to wear masks or any other silly stuff that they want to wear. Businesses absolutely have the right to require masks or any other silly stuff they want to require.

But many people are sheep and won't ditch the mask until others do as well. I went to a completely outdoor event in a huge, spread out park this past weekend and probably 75% of the 2000+ people there wore masks throughout. There was no requirement, there's no state or local mask mandate in place, and there's honestly no risk since it was outside and completely spread out. Yet, the masks continue.

Is it their right? Sure. Is it good for us as a society? Absolutely not. I'm not "triggered" by others wearing masks. But, especially in outdoor situations, it's disheartening.
Ok, so you are disheartened by others' decisions that they personally make. I can understand that. Can you also understand why they would be disheartened by your decision to not wear one? From their vantage point, wearing a mask is (at worst) a minor inconvenience that could "save lives".

Take who is right out of the equation, because they believe you are just as wrong as you believe they are.

I'm sure if you ask them where the 6' rule came from, they couldn't tell you. And if you tell them it was pulled out of someone's ass, they wouldn't believe you, even when you show them proof. You'd think that would be enough for people to question what other BS we've been dealing with for the past year that was forced upon us with zero scientific evidence of it actually working.
I'm sure they'd answer that it came from the CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to. They believe science is on their side.


Look - I'm not arguing one way or another, I'm trying to reasonably see both sides. There are idiots on both sides of the argument.

Came from the CDC who pulled it out of their ass and had zero scientific proof for it. Do you honestly not see the issue there or are you choosing to be obtuse on purpose?
Everything was pretty civil around here until you started popping up. Chill out a little bit.


Translation: He's right, so I need to hop on the "hate aTm2004 bandwagon" in hopes I'll get some support from the argument I can't refute.

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I understand the CDC did (does) not have any scientific data for the 6-foot guidelines and has since reduced it to 3 feet. I understand why you don't trust the CDC. I didn't say I agreed with the people who blindly follow the CDC, because I don't.
All I'm doing is questioning it. If the "CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to" pulled a number out of thin air with zero science supporting it and then pushed it to the masses, I'm wondering why in the hell we should ever trust the CDC again.

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I CAN at least understand people who do trust them, however. If you don't trust them, who are you supposed to trust and listen to? I'd rather it be the CDC or WHO than the US Government.
I don't trust them because they've been proven to lie to us to push their agenda. Because of that, I will forever question anything they say due to their credibility being about as solid as Juicy's. CDC, WHO, US Government...all the same inside with different clothing.
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I CAN at least understand people who do trust them, however. If you don't trust them, who are you supposed to trust and listen to? I'd rather it be the CDC or WHO than the US Government.
That's a huge part of my problem.

The CDC and WHO have been demonstrated to be flat out lying on several occasions and just completely devoid of credibility but people are clinging to their institutional authority.

I get that it can be scary and upsetting to lose trust and faith in ostensibly credible and apolitical institutions but when those institutions have proven they cannot be trusted you have to make that break.
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CoachRTM said:

Ok, so let me re-post what I responded with if that's what we're doing now :

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Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?

Nothing you just posted has anything to do with wearing masks pre-COVID. I understand that you dislike China. Fantastic, me too - we're on the same page. I still have no idea why that has anything to do with the conversation you were responding to.



Yes, everything I posted has to do with them wearing dumb face diapers pre-COVID. They're told they work. Be it now, 10 years ago, etc. They think it's the prevention of the diseases that ravage their country, so wearing one overseas when they go clucking around Manhattan with selfie sticks is just an extension of home and to prevent them from bringing back some ass backwards stupid American disease and spreading it. Wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if their government has drilled into their heads that China is the cleanest and healthiest place in the world and that the United States is ravaged by disease. No proof on that, just my opinion...you do know what that is, correct?
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TarponChaser said:

CoachRTM said:


I CAN at least understand people who do trust them, however. If you don't trust them, who are you supposed to trust and listen to? I'd rather it be the CDC or WHO than the US Government.
That's a huge part of my problem.

The CDC and WHO have been demonstrated to be flat out lying on several occasions and just completely devoid of credibility but people are clinging to their institutional authority.

I get that it can be scary and upsetting to lose trust and faith in ostensibly credible and apolitical institutions but when those institutions have proven they cannot be trusted you have to make that break.
This.
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aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

Ok, so let me re-post what I responded with if that's what we're doing now :

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Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?

Nothing you just posted has anything to do with wearing masks pre-COVID. I understand that you dislike China. Fantastic, me too - we're on the same page. I still have no idea why that has anything to do with the conversation you were responding to.



Yes, everything I posted has to do with them wearing dumb face diapers pre-COVID. They're told they work. Be it now, 10 years ago, etc. They think it's the prevention of the diseases that ravage their country, so wearing one overseas when they go clucking around Manhattan with selfie sticks is just an extension of home and to prevent them from bringing back some ass backwards stupid American disease and spreading it. Wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if their government has drilled into their heads that China is the cleanest and healthiest place in the world and that the United States is ravaged by disease. No proof on that, just my opinion...you do know what that is, correct?
Ok, but Irish said that they had first hand experience in China and hardly anyone wears them there. So which is it? Is Irish's account not accurate? or are the "Chinese people" not the sheep you claimed they were?
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I feel like we've come full circle and are arguing the same **** we argued about last March
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aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

CoachRTM said:

I don't understand the people who are upset with others wearing masks. If you don't want to wear one, don't. If a store requires it, either put it on or go somewhere else. 5 years from now when COVID is just a memory, there will still be some people wearing masks - it was common in Asia even before COVID, and I would imagine something similar will happen now here.

Maybe it's just me, but life's too short to get triggered by every person walking around in a mask when it is a personal/ business choice on whether or not they are wearing it (in Texas anyway).



.... And this is coming from someone who thinks that wearing masks is just emotion theater the way 99% of people wear them.
People absolutely have the right to continue to wear masks or any other silly stuff that they want to wear. Businesses absolutely have the right to require masks or any other silly stuff they want to require.

But many people are sheep and won't ditch the mask until others do as well. I went to a completely outdoor event in a huge, spread out park this past weekend and probably 75% of the 2000+ people there wore masks throughout. There was no requirement, there's no state or local mask mandate in place, and there's honestly no risk since it was outside and completely spread out. Yet, the masks continue.

Is it their right? Sure. Is it good for us as a society? Absolutely not. I'm not "triggered" by others wearing masks. But, especially in outdoor situations, it's disheartening.
Ok, so you are disheartened by others' decisions that they personally make. I can understand that. Can you also understand why they would be disheartened by your decision to not wear one? From their vantage point, wearing a mask is (at worst) a minor inconvenience that could "save lives".

Take who is right out of the equation, because they believe you are just as wrong as you believe they are.

I'm sure if you ask them where the 6' rule came from, they couldn't tell you. And if you tell them it was pulled out of someone's ass, they wouldn't believe you, even when you show them proof. You'd think that would be enough for people to question what other BS we've been dealing with for the past year that was forced upon us with zero scientific evidence of it actually working.
I'm sure they'd answer that it came from the CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to. They believe science is on their side.


Look - I'm not arguing one way or another, I'm trying to reasonably see both sides. There are idiots on both sides of the argument.

Came from the CDC who pulled it out of their ass and had zero scientific proof for it. Do you honestly not see the issue there or are you choosing to be obtuse on purpose?
Everything was pretty civil around here until you started popping up. Chill out a little bit.


Translation: He's right, so I need to hop on the "hate aTm2004 bandwagon" in hopes I'll get some support from the argument I can't refute.

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I understand the CDC did (does) not have any scientific data for the 6-foot guidelines and has since reduced it to 3 feet. I understand why you don't trust the CDC. I didn't say I agreed with the people who blindly follow the CDC, because I don't.
All I'm doing is questioning it. If the "CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to" pulled a number out of thin air with zero science supporting it and then pushed it to the masses, I'm wondering why in the hell we should ever trust the CDC again.

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I CAN at least understand people who do trust them, however. If you don't trust them, who are you supposed to trust and listen to? I'd rather it be the CDC or WHO than the US Government.
I don't trust them because they've been proven to lie to us to push their agenda. Because of that, I will forever question anything they say due to their credibility being about as solid as Juicy's. CDC, WHO, US Government...all the same inside with different clothing.
I don't hate anyone. I rarely post on this board and don't even know who you are. So far, my impression is that you are an antagonist and defensive, and not prone to meaningful conversation.

And ok, you think the CDC lied to you once and you won't believe them again because of that. At least I understand where you're coming from. Like I said, I'm kind of in the middle on all this and just trying to understand everyone's takes.
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CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

Ok, so let me re-post what I responded with if that's what we're doing now :

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Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?

Nothing you just posted has anything to do with wearing masks pre-COVID. I understand that you dislike China. Fantastic, me too - we're on the same page. I still have no idea why that has anything to do with the conversation you were responding to.



Yes, everything I posted has to do with them wearing dumb face diapers pre-COVID. They're told they work. Be it now, 10 years ago, etc. They think it's the prevention of the diseases that ravage their country, so wearing one overseas when they go clucking around Manhattan with selfie sticks is just an extension of home and to prevent them from bringing back some ass backwards stupid American disease and spreading it. Wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if their government has drilled into their heads that China is the cleanest and healthiest place in the world and that the United States is ravaged by disease. No proof on that, just my opinion...you do know what that is, correct?
Ok, but Irish said that they had first hand experience in China and hardly anyone wears them there. So which is it? Is Irish's account not accurate? or are the "Chinese people" not the sheep you claimed they were?
Do you honestly think this? Really? Makes sense why nothing I've said is resonating with you.
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CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

Ok, so let me re-post what I responded with if that's what we're doing now :

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Ok...... and how does that have anything to do with a subset of them wearing a mask on the subway in the United States?

Nothing you just posted has anything to do with wearing masks pre-COVID. I understand that you dislike China. Fantastic, me too - we're on the same page. I still have no idea why that has anything to do with the conversation you were responding to.



Yes, everything I posted has to do with them wearing dumb face diapers pre-COVID. They're told they work. Be it now, 10 years ago, etc. They think it's the prevention of the diseases that ravage their country, so wearing one overseas when they go clucking around Manhattan with selfie sticks is just an extension of home and to prevent them from bringing back some ass backwards stupid American disease and spreading it. Wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if their government has drilled into their heads that China is the cleanest and healthiest place in the world and that the United States is ravaged by disease. No proof on that, just my opinion...you do know what that is, correct?
Ok, but Irish said that they had first hand experience in China and hardly anyone wears them there. So which is it? Is Irish's account not accurate? or are the "Chinese people" not the sheep you claimed they were?


Outside of Beijing and other super cities that have heavy pollution you don't see people wearing masks everywhere.
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aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

aTm2004 said:

CoachRTM said:

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I don't understand the people who are upset with others wearing masks. If you don't want to wear one, don't. If a store requires it, either put it on or go somewhere else. 5 years from now when COVID is just a memory, there will still be some people wearing masks - it was common in Asia even before COVID, and I would imagine something similar will happen now here.

Maybe it's just me, but life's too short to get triggered by every person walking around in a mask when it is a personal/ business choice on whether or not they are wearing it (in Texas anyway).



.... And this is coming from someone who thinks that wearing masks is just emotion theater the way 99% of people wear them.
People absolutely have the right to continue to wear masks or any other silly stuff that they want to wear. Businesses absolutely have the right to require masks or any other silly stuff they want to require.

But many people are sheep and won't ditch the mask until others do as well. I went to a completely outdoor event in a huge, spread out park this past weekend and probably 75% of the 2000+ people there wore masks throughout. There was no requirement, there's no state or local mask mandate in place, and there's honestly no risk since it was outside and completely spread out. Yet, the masks continue.

Is it their right? Sure. Is it good for us as a society? Absolutely not. I'm not "triggered" by others wearing masks. But, especially in outdoor situations, it's disheartening.
Ok, so you are disheartened by others' decisions that they personally make. I can understand that. Can you also understand why they would be disheartened by your decision to not wear one? From their vantage point, wearing a mask is (at worst) a minor inconvenience that could "save lives".

Take who is right out of the equation, because they believe you are just as wrong as you believe they are.

I'm sure if you ask them where the 6' rule came from, they couldn't tell you. And if you tell them it was pulled out of someone's ass, they wouldn't believe you, even when you show them proof. You'd think that would be enough for people to question what other BS we've been dealing with for the past year that was forced upon us with zero scientific evidence of it actually working.
I'm sure they'd answer that it came from the CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to. They believe science is on their side.


Look - I'm not arguing one way or another, I'm trying to reasonably see both sides. There are idiots on both sides of the argument.

Came from the CDC who pulled it out of their ass and had zero scientific proof for it. Do you honestly not see the issue there or are you choosing to be obtuse on purpose?
Everything was pretty civil around here until you started popping up. Chill out a little bit.


Translation: He's right, so I need to hop on the "hate aTm2004 bandwagon" in hopes I'll get some support from the argument I can't refute.

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I understand the CDC did (does) not have any scientific data for the 6-foot guidelines and has since reduced it to 3 feet. I understand why you don't trust the CDC. I didn't say I agreed with the people who blindly follow the CDC, because I don't.
All I'm doing is questioning it. If the "CDC, who is filled with scientists that we should be listening to" pulled a number out of thin air with zero science supporting it and then pushed it to the masses, I'm wondering why in the hell we should ever trust the CDC again.

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I CAN at least understand people who do trust them, however. If you don't trust them, who are you supposed to trust and listen to? I'd rather it be the CDC or WHO than the US Government.
I don't trust them because they've been proven to lie to us to push their agenda. Because of that, I will forever question anything they say due to their credibility being about as solid as Juicy's. CDC, WHO, US Government...all the same inside with different clothing.
I don't hate anyone. I rarely post on this board and don't even know who you are. So far, my impression is that you are an antagonist and defensive, and not prone to meaningful conversation.

And ok, you think the CDC lied to you once and you won't believe them again because of that. At least I understand where you're coming from. Like I said, I'm kind of in the middle on all this and just trying to understand everyone's takes.
I don't think they lied to me. It's been proven they have. I'm just not going to sit back and accept anything else they say again because they shot their credibility.
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Ducks4brkfast said:

I feel like we've come full circle and are arguing the same **** we argued about last March
The difference there is data now that supports one side while the other is still clinging to false hope.
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MASK BAD
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aTm2004 said:

Ducks4brkfast said:

I feel like we've come full circle and are arguing the same **** we argued about last March
The difference there is data now that supports one side while the other is still clinging to false hope.
There was data then. None of this, pandemics, social distancing, masks, lock downs, etc are new.

Lots of those studies go back damn near a hundred years.
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Ducks4brkfast said:

aTm2004 said:

Ducks4brkfast said:

I feel like we've come full circle and are arguing the same **** we argued about last March
The difference there is data now that supports one side while the other is still clinging to false hope.
There was data then. None of this, pandemics, social distancing, masks, lock downs, etc are new.

Lots of those studies go back damn near a hundred years.
I'm not denying that. I'm speaking specifically related to COVID. We see case counts, death counts, hospitalizations, trends, etc just from COVID from states all over the board with mandates, shutdowns, etc. The data is there to make educated decisions, which is what Abbott did. DeSantis did so as well, but it was more of a chance at the time.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

chjoak said:

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No one is talking about therapies if you catch it. Its all about thr vaccine.

If I get covid, what would be prescribed? And I'm not talking about ICU/vents.
There are groups of Drs out there that are prescribing various "cocktails" to their positive patients to prevent them from ending up in the hospital. Most of them have a pretty impressive record for keeping COVID patients out of the hospital. My plan is to familiarize myself with those groups and provide all that info to my GP in the event that I get it.


This is the info I'm looking for. Links?
https://aapsonline.org/CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.pdf

The treatment algorithm is on page 19. If you missed Dr. McCullough's state senate testimony posted on the politics board, check it out: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3188105
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WorthAg95 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

chjoak said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

No one is talking about therapies if you catch it. Its all about thr vaccine.

If I get covid, what would be prescribed? And I'm not talking about ICU/vents.
There are groups of Drs out there that are prescribing various "cocktails" to their positive patients to prevent them from ending up in the hospital. Most of them have a pretty impressive record for keeping COVID patients out of the hospital. My plan is to familiarize myself with those groups and provide all that info to my GP in the event that I get it.


This is the info I'm looking for. Links?
https://aapsonline.org/CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.pdf

The treatment algorithm is on page 19. If you missed Dr. McCullough's state senate testimony posted on the politics board, check it out: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3188105


Have any of you seen more articles on immunity once you have already had Covid? Or any more detail from Dr. M on what that actually looks like?
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T Durden said:

WorthAg95 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

chjoak said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

No one is talking about therapies if you catch it. Its all about thr vaccine.

If I get covid, what would be prescribed? And I'm not talking about ICU/vents.
There are groups of Drs out there that are prescribing various "cocktails" to their positive patients to prevent them from ending up in the hospital. Most of them have a pretty impressive record for keeping COVID patients out of the hospital. My plan is to familiarize myself with those groups and provide all that info to my GP in the event that I get it.


This is the info I'm looking for. Links?
https://aapsonline.org/CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.pdf

The treatment algorithm is on page 19. If you missed Dr. McCullough's state senate testimony posted on the politics board, check it out: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3188105


Have any of you seen more articles on immunity once you have already had Covid? Or any more detail from Dr. M on what that actually looks like?
I started showing symptoms on 2/8. Donated blood on 3/25. No antibodies detected.
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My understanding is that the T-cells learning is more effective than the antibodies. But I am not a doctor.
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FHKChE07 said:

My understanding is that the T-cells learning is more effective than the antibodies. But I am not a doctor.
I have no data to demonstrate how intelligent my t-cells are, sorry.
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