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J.D. c/o 05 said:

third coast.. said:

the unintended consequences of this do not seem like they are worth it.

But WE will feel so much better about this.
He gets it.
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aTm2004 said:

Just post the company name here or take a screen shot, create a garbage email account, then send it to all of the Houston news stations.


Yeah, this needs to happen. The consequences are worth it if she is out the door.

This guy is a no better than an undie skid mark. He deserves the wrath of the coronamob.
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CDUB98 said:

aTm2004 said:

Just post the company name here or take a screen shot, create a garbage email account, then send it to all of the Houston news stations.


Yeah, this needs to happen. The consequences are worth it if she is out the door.

This guy is a no better than an undie skid mark. He deserves the wrath of the coronamob.
What makes you think the Coronamob isn't going to support the company?
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That's pretty chitty of him, especially if he didn't contact each of them to 1) check on them, and 2) ask how they got it. He's making a pretty big assumption that they were each irresponsible and gathered in groups. I also love the mask comment. Guess he hasn't heard of California.

I wonder what he thinks about Newsom gathering at French Laundry, or Adler flying down to Mexico to vacation with his family and then stripping people of Austin of their freedoms while there. He probably gets hard thinking of that kind of absolute power.
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CowtownAg06 said:

CDUB98 said:

aTm2004 said:

Just post the company name here or take a screen shot, create a garbage email account, then send it to all of the Houston news stations.


Yeah, this needs to happen. The consequences are worth it if she is out the door.

This guy is a no better than an undie skid mark. He deserves the wrath of the coronamob.
What makes you think the Coronamob isn't going to support the company?


I'm guessing they might because those with Rona are consecrated as the holy chosen in some Coronabro circles, and of course, a business run by a white male is automatically evil.
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unless i'm mistaken i dont believe he died from Covid.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/neighborhood/woodlands/article/Owner-of-beloved-candy-store-in-The-Woodlands-dies-15845492.php

Good point, the first article I read from the Chronicle said he died "after Covid fight" and I misread that. Sounds like he was able to test negative and discharge but maybe it exacerbated the problems that a typical 89 year old would already have.

My point isn't to argue that he should be part of Lina's death toll.
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COVID numbers are going through the roof as a result of seasonality, not gatherings.

There was no Thanksgiving "spike" anywhere. Trends continued as expected.
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Keegan99 said:

COVID numbers are going through the roof as a result of seasonality, not gatherings.

There was no Thanksgiving "spike" anywhere. Trends continued as expected.
Indeed. Watching the waves come through different geographies and then leave regardless of what is mandated or not, mobility trends, etc., it's just going to do what it will do.

I'm really hopeful for the vaccine to get up to critical mass and give the ******* politicians an off ramp here, but it's not perfect either.
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I often hear the argument that the virus is going to do what it will despite interventions. If that is the case then why is it that some countries have seemingly managed to keep it under control so effectively (i.e Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, S Korea, etc.)?
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I'm not an expert on the virus but I do get tired of people trying to compare the US to other countries.

Countries with no freedoms can absolutely effectively lock down to stop the virus. If you can arrest your citizens for stepping outside then, yes, you can control the spread. Issue these countries see is once they open back up, it goes back to spreading and they have to lock down again. See New Zealand.

Now, for countries in which citizens have freedoms, it appears that no matter what controls are put in place, the virus does what the virus does. Now the flip side is countries like Sweden, which is used as the primary example, still has measures in place to slow the spread and help hospital load.
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For most of Asia, the error is assuming homogenous immune systems vis-a-vis the US and Western nations.


And yes, CA vs FL should be game-set-match on the effectiveness on NPIs.
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third coast.. said:

Owner of wife's company sent out a classless email blasting the 3 employees who have caught covid recently and basically calling them irresponsible, saying they got it from going to gatherings of friends and family outside of work. I found it to be quote reprehensible and I'm not sure my wife has been to a gathering of people in 5 months, let alone the last month. Never gave a call to find out how a pregnant mother of two who is home alone was doing, but blasts her and others to the entire company. Disgusting.
This is ridiculous. Half of the people I know who got Covid are super corona bros, and just stay at home all day and wear masks everywhere. How dare the company send an email and start pointing fingers and making false assumptions. That is not a company I would want to work for.
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That does not explain Australia. I won't use NZ as an example since they shut down so early and had so few cases to deal with.
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I met two Samoan AB's on a ship a few months back who had been on board for almost two years because the end of their initial contract coincided with shutdowns in that part of the world. Said Australia (nor New Zealand) wouldn't even let them transit through the airport for connecting flight home. I can only imagine they're still on board.
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wessimo said:

I often hear the argument that the virus is going to do what it will despite interventions. If that is the case then why is it that some countries have seemingly managed to keep it under control so effectively (i.e Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, S Korea, etc.)?

You'll note those are all geographically clustered around each other, and geography definitely counts for a lot. Japan had similar results and didn't lock down much at all, Vietnam Taiwan did basically nothing. I don't think anyone is keeping anything under control apart from perhaps the ability to isolate before their season hit. New Zealand has a tiny population and it's hard to get to, that would be helpful too, they had fewer international flights coming through the whole country than we did in several individual airports. Australia is similar, big place with a few population centers and lots of nothing in between. They're not a hub for world commerce and were not close to a respiratory virus season when they locked down international travel. Australia's mobility data matches the US's almost exactly, with a bit of a tick lower when Melbourne went full North Korea on everyone, but otherwise, their lockdowns were no more harsh than ours that clearly don't work.

On the other hand, you also don't hear how Peru locked down hard before seasonality hit them, curfews, fines, very limited "essential" things open, and they ended up with one of the highest death tolls in the world and virtually indistinguishable from Brazil next door that had their lockdowns legally overturned. Peru also closely matched Argentina that had similarly harsh lockdowns to no effect.

Western Pacific nations have so far made out better, but the 1918 "Spanish" flu hit Australia hard. In 1919.

EDIT - see source for Taiwan...



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Diggity said:



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Now do the percentage of population that lives in rural vs. urban areas.
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wessimo said:

That does not explain Australia. I won't use NZ as an example since they shut down so early and had so few cases to deal with.
Australia shut down and restricted travel. Per my friends there, people weren't allowed to travel more than 15km from their home address. And yes, police could stop people and check licenses. They were freaking out when Melbourne opened back up and went up to 50 or so cases per day.
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see those dots?

it's clearly easier to control a country 2/3's the size of the US with the population of Texas. They're all clustered together but still not near as dense as the harder hit European countries.
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Here ya go

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wessimo said:

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Now do the percentage of population that lives in rural vs. urban areas.
Density doesn't seem to matter much. Geographic isolation would theoretically help with these discrete clusters relatively removed from each other, but I don't think any of them got much of an outbreak.
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chimpanzee said:

wessimo said:

I often hear the argument that the virus is going to do what it will despite interventions. If that is the case then why is it that some countries have seemingly managed to keep it under control so effectively (i.e Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, S Korea, etc.)?

You'll note those are all geographically clustered around each other, and geography definitely counts for a lot. Japan had similar results and didn't lock down much at all, Vietnam did basically nothing. I don't think anyone is keeping anything under control apart from perhaps the ability to isolate before their season hit. New Zealand has a tiny population and it's hard to get to, that would be helpful too, they had fewer international flights coming through the whole country than we did in several individual airports. Australia is similar, big place with a few population centers and lots of nothing in between. They're not a hub for world commerce and were not close to a respiratory virus season when they locked down international travel. Australia's mobility data matches the US's almost exactly, with a bit of a tick lower when Melbourne went full North Korea on everyone, but otherwise, their lockdowns were no more harsh than ours that clearly don't work.

On the other hand, you also don't hear how Peru locked down hard before seasonality hit them, curfews, fines, very limited "essential" things open, and they ended up with one of the highest death tolls in the world and virtually indistinguishable from Brazil next door that had their lockdowns legally overturned. Peru also closely matched Argentina that had similarly harsh lockdowns to no effect.

Western Pacific nations have so far made out better, but the 1918 "Spanish" flu hit Australia hard. In 1919.
I asked my in laws about how things are in Vietnam recently and they said they closed the borders months ago. Per wiki they did a little more than basically nothing....opposite actually:

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Vietnam has suspended the entry of all foreigners from 22 March 2020 until further notice to limit the spread of COVID-19. The measure will not apply to diplomats, officials, foreign investors, experts, and skilled workers. For foreigners that entered the country before 1 March including those with temporary residence permits will also be entitled to extensions till 30 June but must present health declarations.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-8][7][/url]

Vietnam is cited by global media as having one of the best-organized epidemic control programs in the world,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-9][8][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-ABC-10][9][/url] along the lines of other highlights such as Taiwan and South Korea.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-7news-11][10][/url] Despite inferior economic and technological capacity, the country's response to the outbreak has received widespread international acclaim for its immediacy, effectiveness and transparency, in contrast to censorship in China, and the poor preparation and widespread outbreaks in the United States and in European countries.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-12][11][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-7news-11][10][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-le&nguyen-13][12][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-14][13][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-15][14][/url]
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drumboy said:

chimpanzee said:

wessimo said:

I often hear the argument that the virus is going to do what it will despite interventions. If that is the case then why is it that some countries have seemingly managed to keep it under control so effectively (i.e Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, S Korea, etc.)?

You'll note those are all geographically clustered around each other, and geography definitely counts for a lot. Japan had similar results and didn't lock down much at all, Vietnam did basically nothing. I don't think anyone is keeping anything under control apart from perhaps the ability to isolate before their season hit. New Zealand has a tiny population and it's hard to get to, that would be helpful too, they had fewer international flights coming through the whole country than we did in several individual airports. Australia is similar, big place with a few population centers and lots of nothing in between. They're not a hub for world commerce and were not close to a respiratory virus season when they locked down international travel. Australia's mobility data matches the US's almost exactly, with a bit of a tick lower when Melbourne went full North Korea on everyone, but otherwise, their lockdowns were no more harsh than ours that clearly don't work.

On the other hand, you also don't hear how Peru locked down hard before seasonality hit them, curfews, fines, very limited "essential" things open, and they ended up with one of the highest death tolls in the world and virtually indistinguishable from Brazil next door that had their lockdowns legally overturned. Peru also closely matched Argentina that had similarly harsh lockdowns to no effect.

Western Pacific nations have so far made out better, but the 1918 "Spanish" flu hit Australia hard. In 1919.
I asked my in laws about how things are in Vietnam recently and they said they closed the borders months ago. Per wiki they did a little more than basically nothing....opposite actually:

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Vietnam has suspended the entry of all foreigners from 22 March 2020 until further notice to limit the spread of COVID-19. The measure will not apply to diplomats, officials, foreign investors, experts, and skilled workers. For foreigners that entered the country before 1 March including those with temporary residence permits will also be entitled to extensions till 30 June but must present health declarations.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-8][7][/url]

Vietnam is cited by global media as having one of the best-organized epidemic control programs in the world,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-9][8][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-ABC-10][9][/url] along the lines of other highlights such as Taiwan and South Korea.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-7news-11][10][/url] Despite inferior economic and technological capacity, the country's response to the outbreak has received widespread international acclaim for its immediacy, effectiveness and transparency, in contrast to censorship in China, and the poor preparation and widespread outbreaks in the United States and in European countries.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-12][11][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-7news-11][10][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-le&nguyen-13][12][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-14][13][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-15][14][/url]

Thanks for the clarification, in terms of locking down borders/travel they clearly did a lot, but what about internal restrictions, restaurants, shops, gatherings, etc.? Maybe that's what I read or mixed them up with Taiwan that has had very little reduction in internal mobility.
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https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-with-no-lockdown-or-mask-mandate-florida-has-roughly-same-hospitalization-level-as-2018-flu-season
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chimpanzee said:

drumboy said:

chimpanzee said:

wessimo said:

I often hear the argument that the virus is going to do what it will despite interventions. If that is the case then why is it that some countries have seemingly managed to keep it under control so effectively (i.e Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, S Korea, etc.)?

You'll note those are all geographically clustered around each other, and geography definitely counts for a lot. Japan had similar results and didn't lock down much at all, Vietnam did basically nothing. I don't think anyone is keeping anything under control apart from perhaps the ability to isolate before their season hit. New Zealand has a tiny population and it's hard to get to, that would be helpful too, they had fewer international flights coming through the whole country than we did in several individual airports. Australia is similar, big place with a few population centers and lots of nothing in between. They're not a hub for world commerce and were not close to a respiratory virus season when they locked down international travel. Australia's mobility data matches the US's almost exactly, with a bit of a tick lower when Melbourne went full North Korea on everyone, but otherwise, their lockdowns were no more harsh than ours that clearly don't work.

On the other hand, you also don't hear how Peru locked down hard before seasonality hit them, curfews, fines, very limited "essential" things open, and they ended up with one of the highest death tolls in the world and virtually indistinguishable from Brazil next door that had their lockdowns legally overturned. Peru also closely matched Argentina that had similarly harsh lockdowns to no effect.

Western Pacific nations have so far made out better, but the 1918 "Spanish" flu hit Australia hard. In 1919.
I asked my in laws about how things are in Vietnam recently and they said they closed the borders months ago. Per wiki they did a little more than basically nothing....opposite actually:

Quote:

Vietnam has suspended the entry of all foreigners from 22 March 2020 until further notice to limit the spread of COVID-19. The measure will not apply to diplomats, officials, foreign investors, experts, and skilled workers. For foreigners that entered the country before 1 March including those with temporary residence permits will also be entitled to extensions till 30 June but must present health declarations.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-8][7][/url]

Vietnam is cited by global media as having one of the best-organized epidemic control programs in the world,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-9][8][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-ABC-10][9][/url] along the lines of other highlights such as Taiwan and South Korea.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-7news-11][10][/url] Despite inferior economic and technological capacity, the country's response to the outbreak has received widespread international acclaim for its immediacy, effectiveness and transparency, in contrast to censorship in China, and the poor preparation and widespread outbreaks in the United States and in European countries.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-12][11][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-7news-11][10][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-le&nguyen-13][12][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-14][13][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-15][14][/url]

Thanks for the clarification, in terms of locking down borders/travel they clearly did a lot, but what about internal restrictions, restaurants, shops, gatherings, etc.? Maybe that's what I read or mixed them up with Taiwan that has had very little reduction in internal mobility.
From the wiki link, there was periods of nationwide isolation, limited air travel, mandatory non-essential business closures including schools, mandatory intl visitor quarantine, more regional quarantines, and an app that tracks location to effectively handle contact tracing (not sure if required).
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drumboy said:

chimpanzee said:

drumboy said:

chimpanzee said:

wessimo said:

I often hear the argument that the virus is going to do what it will despite interventions. If that is the case then why is it that some countries have seemingly managed to keep it under control so effectively (i.e Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, S Korea, etc.)?

You'll note those are all geographically clustered around each other, and geography definitely counts for a lot. Japan had similar results and didn't lock down much at all, Vietnam did basically nothing. I don't think anyone is keeping anything under control apart from perhaps the ability to isolate before their season hit. New Zealand has a tiny population and it's hard to get to, that would be helpful too, they had fewer international flights coming through the whole country than we did in several individual airports. Australia is similar, big place with a few population centers and lots of nothing in between. They're not a hub for world commerce and were not close to a respiratory virus season when they locked down international travel. Australia's mobility data matches the US's almost exactly, with a bit of a tick lower when Melbourne went full North Korea on everyone, but otherwise, their lockdowns were no more harsh than ours that clearly don't work.

On the other hand, you also don't hear how Peru locked down hard before seasonality hit them, curfews, fines, very limited "essential" things open, and they ended up with one of the highest death tolls in the world and virtually indistinguishable from Brazil next door that had their lockdowns legally overturned. Peru also closely matched Argentina that had similarly harsh lockdowns to no effect.

Western Pacific nations have so far made out better, but the 1918 "Spanish" flu hit Australia hard. In 1919.
I asked my in laws about how things are in Vietnam recently and they said they closed the borders months ago. Per wiki they did a little more than basically nothing....opposite actually:

Quote:

Vietnam has suspended the entry of all foreigners from 22 March 2020 until further notice to limit the spread of COVID-19. The measure will not apply to diplomats, officials, foreign investors, experts, and skilled workers. For foreigners that entered the country before 1 March including those with temporary residence permits will also be entitled to extensions till 30 June but must present health declarations.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-8][7][/url]

Vietnam is cited by global media as having one of the best-organized epidemic control programs in the world,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-9][8][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-ABC-10][9][/url] along the lines of other highlights such as Taiwan and South Korea.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-7news-11][10][/url] Despite inferior economic and technological capacity, the country's response to the outbreak has received widespread international acclaim for its immediacy, effectiveness and transparency, in contrast to censorship in China, and the poor preparation and widespread outbreaks in the United States and in European countries.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-12][11][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-7news-11][10][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-le&nguyen-13][12][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-14][13][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam#cite_note-15][14][/url]

Thanks for the clarification, in terms of locking down borders/travel they clearly did a lot, but what about internal restrictions, restaurants, shops, gatherings, etc.? Maybe that's what I read or mixed them up with Taiwan that has had very little reduction in internal mobility.
From the wiki link, there was periods of nationwide isolation, limited air travel, mandatory non-essential business closures including schools, mandatory intl visitor quarantine, more regional quarantines, and an app that tracks location to effectively handle contact tracing (not sure if required).
Thanks, I had Vietnam crossed up, apparently. Their case rate is basically zero, it seems.
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