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TXTransplant said:

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This "go get tested" campaign is dumb and clearly being pushed by people who have no idea what it's like to work in the "real world".

If I get tested - even with no symptoms and/or as part of a "routine screening" - I'm supposed to report it to my HR. When the results come back, I have to report that, too. All for "tracking purposes".

No, thank you.

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I've heard of some people that have had it and were told that they had to get tested until they were negative to go back to work, which is nuts on a number of levels.

1) the guidance is 10 days from first symptoms and 72 hours free of symptoms
2) the virus can be present in your body and you can test positive after being clear and not being able to spread it.
3) people are then putting multiple positive tests in the system, which further pollutes the data pool.

It's nuts.

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I agree. Our policy (and this has been in place since before this virus hit), is if you request 3 or more consecutive days of sick leave, you have to have a doctor's note (submitted to a third party management system that still has to "approve" it) to come back to work.

I suspect getting a doctor's note would require one or more negative tests.

So, testing is not required, but that's what's going to happen to adhere to policy.

At this point, I'm not sure why anyone, even WITH symptoms, would get tested unless they require medical attention. If you're sick, just stay home and keep whatever germs you have to yourself!

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In addition, people need to understand that an increase in cases doesn't mean doom and gloom. It seems like many don't understand this and expect there to come a time where no new cases, which won't happen.

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so what's city hall's plan for surveillance?

asking people on twitter to go get a swab shoved deep in their head?

I'm all for surveillance and heightened awareness but they seem to have very little when it comes to a plan

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cone said:

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so what's city hall's plan for surveillance?

asking people on twitter to go get a swab shoved deep in their head?

I'm all for surveillance and heightened awareness but they seem to have very little when it comes to a plan

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There are other options between being flippant and more lockdowns.

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cone said:

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maybe if you get a test in the course of the current month they give you a piece of flair

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There are other options between being flippant and more lockdowns.

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Yup. And we are balancing a drawn out and corrosive steady-state in the middle ground right now.

New cases will continue probably for the rest of forever given this is now endemic in the global population. By no means will we continue to have day-to-day life affected forever, but it will persist for however long there's a threat of mass hospitalization from just normal operating society.

*****ing about politicians, media and left/right philosophical divides is all fine and part of the course of American life, but it is conveniently simplistic, or tragically hypocritical, to blame other forces and disown personal responsibility for sustaining a paradigm because it doesn't align with one's worldview or political identity - across the spectrum.

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cone said:

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back again to save the day

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chimpanzee said:

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Fitch said:

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There are other options between being flippant and more lockdowns.

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Yup. And we are balancing a drawn out and corrosive steady-state in the middle ground right now.

New cases will continue probably for the rest of forever given this is now endemic in the global population. By no means will we continue to have day-to-day life affected forever, but it will persist for however long there's a threat of mass hospitalization from just normal operating society.

*****ing about politicians, media and left/right philosophical divides is all fine and part of the course of American life, but it is conveniently simplistic, or tragically hypocritical, to blame other forces and disown personal responsibility for sustaining a paradigm because it doesn't align with one's worldview or political identity - across the spectrum.

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I'm not going to default to the advice and direction of those that benefit personally from stringing out and amplifying the specter of this threat as long as possible.

I have close to zero interest in doing any of stereotypical activities that seem to draw the scorn of the pro-lockdowners in any case, and feel that it is imprudent to do so at the current time, but I have seen no output from the supposed "army" of contract tracers that we've hired to inform what the genesis of the current local spikes might be, nor anything beyond conjecture and one Chinese sourced diagram about the prevalence of spread at barber shops and restaurants. The dialogue has breezed right on past that.

If you want people to take personal responsibility, it would be nice if those that make it their profession to steer "other forces" would at least respond coherently to the actionable information we have at our disposal and try to come up with more such information to give us. Keep moving goalposts, changing metrics, fudging data, and ignoring costs and you've lost credibility and purposefully made actual responsible decision making more difficult.

If you want more restrictions because you doubt the capacity of your fellow citizens to behave responsibly, you should have to prove that those restrictions are worth the costs imposed provided that you can first prove that the restrictions do what you purport them to do.

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Fitch said:

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chimpanzee said:

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Fitch said:

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There are other options between being flippant and more lockdowns.

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Yup. And we are balancing a drawn out and corrosive steady-state in the middle ground right now.

New cases will continue probably for the rest of forever given this is now endemic in the global population. By no means will we continue to have day-to-day life affected forever, but it will persist for however long there's a threat of mass hospitalization from just normal operating society.

*****ing about politicians, media and left/right philosophical divides is all fine and part of the course of American life, but it is conveniently simplistic, or tragically hypocritical, to blame other forces and disown personal responsibility for sustaining a paradigm because it doesn't align with one's worldview or political identity - across the spectrum.

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I'm not going to default to the advice and direction of those that benefit personally from stringing out and amplifying the specter of this threat as long as possible.

I have close to zero interest in doing any of stereotypical activities that seem to draw the scorn of the pro-lockdowners in any case, and feel that it is imprudent to do so at the current time, but I have seen no output from the supposed "army" of contract tracers that we've hired to inform what the genesis of the current local spikes might be, nor anything beyond conjecture and one Chinese sourced diagram about the prevalence of spread at barber shops and restaurants. The dialogue has breezed right on past that.

If you want people to take personal responsibility, it would be nice if those that make it their profession to steer "other forces" would at least respond coherently to the actionable information we have at our disposal and try to come up with more such information to give us. Keep moving goalposts, changing metrics, fudging data, and ignoring costs and you've lost credibility and purposefully made actual responsible decision making more difficult.

If you want more restrictions because you doubt the capacity of your fellow citizens to behave responsibly, you should have to prove that those restrictions are worth the costs imposed provided that you can first prove that the restrictions do what you purport them to do.

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Agree on all points.

Call me cynical, but I personally think for that to work there has to be a bilateral respect between the public and public leaders, which today is broken.

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Fitch said:

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Fitch said:

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There are other options between being flippant and more lockdowns.

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Yup. And we are balancing a drawn out and corrosive steady-state in the middle ground right now.

New cases will continue probably for the rest of forever given this is now endemic in the global population. By no means will we continue to have day-to-day life affected forever, but it will persist for however long there's a threat of mass hospitalization from just normal operating society.

*****ing about politicians, media and left/right philosophical divides is all fine and part of the course of American life, but it is conveniently simplistic, or tragically hypocritical, to blame other forces and disown personal responsibility for sustaining a paradigm because it doesn't align with one's worldview or political identity - across the spectrum.

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I'm not going to default to the advice and direction of those that benefit personally from stringing out and amplifying the specter of this threat as long as possible.

I have close to zero interest in doing any of stereotypical activities that seem to draw the scorn of the pro-lockdowners in any case, and feel that it is imprudent to do so at the current time, but I have seen no output from the supposed "army" of contract tracers that we've hired to inform what the genesis of the current local spikes might be, nor anything beyond conjecture and one Chinese sourced diagram about the prevalence of spread at barber shops and restaurants. The dialogue has breezed right on past that.

If you want people to take personal responsibility, it would be nice if those that make it their profession to steer "other forces" would at least respond coherently to the actionable information we have at our disposal and try to come up with more such information to give us. Keep moving goalposts, changing metrics, fudging data, and ignoring costs and you've lost credibility and purposefully made actual responsible decision making more difficult.

If you want more restrictions because you doubt the capacity of your fellow citizens to behave responsibly, you should have to prove that those restrictions are worth the costs imposed provided that you can first prove that the restrictions do what you purport them to do.

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Agree on all points.

Call me cynical, but I personally think for that to work there has to be a bilateral respect between the public and public leaders, which today is broken.

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a bilateral respect between the public and public leaders, which today is broken.

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you can't go to a funeral

but protests are nbd

i wonder how it got broken

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