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Silky Johnston
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People are just talking out of their ass saying this because they don't trust data from any source that doesn't fit their narrative. Most, if not all of the hospitals in the Med Center require a negative COVID test before having a surgery. St. Luke's requires a test no older than 5 days before surgery and you can't have your procedure until you have two negative tests.
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It's true, at least around here. But my pro-personal-responsibility stance makes me annoyed that bars (or any other business) has to police it. I saw one person say "but I have a right to go to a bar and not have to be close to people."
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Fitch said:

Some are alleging that new hospitalization counts are incidental to other elective procedures but I'm admittedly suspicious it's happening or if it is that it's happening in any statistically significant way.

A family member of mine recently had day surgery two weeks back in McKinney and was required to have a COVID test no more than 48 hours before. If she had tested positive they would not have admitted her and she would have had to have two negative tests before they would reschedule the appointment. Just my opinion, but I see that being more the status quo than people coming in for "XYZ procedure" and testing positive while in the hospital, and potentially infecting others in a vulnerable condition.


This (and what Silky posted) is what I expected would be happening.

I would not expect a hospital to go through with surgery if someone tests positive (or even risk it by operating on someone who was not shown to be negative), but that's just what seems logical to me. I didn't have any proof to back that up.
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lunchbox said:

Yeah they had to change the "all clear" when so many people were testing positive days/weeks after getting over it.

If 2 negative tests in a row were the rule, then some people would have to wait a month to re-enter society.

I just hope most employers use the new CDC guidance.
Where did you see this? I looked up the CDC guidelines and it still shows the 2 negative test results as part of their all clear guideline. But their wording is if you decide to get tested.
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Meanwhile the 3 day moving average death count for covid in Texas is near its all time low.
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ea1060 said:

lunchbox said:

Yeah they had to change the "all clear" when so many people were testing positive days/weeks after getting over it.

If 2 negative tests in a row were the rule, then some people would have to wait a month to re-enter society.

I just hope most employers use the new CDC guidance.
Where did you see this? I looked up the CDC guidelines and it still shows the 2 negative test results as part of their all clear guideline. But their wording is if you decide to get tested.
Right - they have 2 approaches to discontinuing isolation. They used to only have 1 (the testing one).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/disposition-in-home-patients.html

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1). Symptom-based strategy
Persons with COVID-19 who have symptoms and were directed to care for themselves at home may discontinue isolation under the following conditions:
  • At least 3 days (72 hours) have passed since recovery defined as resolution of fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and improvement in respiratory symptoms (e.g., cough, shortness of breath); and,
  • At least 10 days have passed since symptoms first appeared.
2). Test-based strategy Previous recommendations for a test-based strategy remain applicable; however, a test-based strategy is contingent on the availability of ample testing supplies and laboratory capacity as well as convenient access to testing.
Persons who have COVID-19 who have symptoms and were directed to care for themselves at home may discontinue isolation under the following conditions:

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cajunaggie08 said:

Ag_07 said:

rhoswen said:

Ag_07 said:

I'm not an expert but I think there are three reasons we're seeing the increase in young cases

  • Protests
  • Bars
  • Old folks learned their lesson early and are staying home



Younger folks are more social, imo, and not just bars or parties.

True but I think bars are a big culprit of not following the occupancy and distancing guidelines.

From what I've seen restaurants and other places are doing a decent job of spacing people out, wiping down common areas, and taking the right precautions.

I've seen and heard multiple instances where bars aren't doing much of anything.
Bars weren't known as champions of cleanliness pre-pandemic.



Don't forget, IrishtxAggie has been licking the tops of those bars.
Milwaukees Best Light
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swimmerbabe11 said:

cajunaggie08 said:

Ag_07 said:

rhoswen said:

Ag_07 said:

I'm not an expert but I think there are three reasons we're seeing the increase in young cases

  • Protests
  • Bars
  • Old folks learned their lesson early and are staying home



Younger folks are more social, imo, and not just bars or parties.

True but I think bars are a big culprit of not following the occupancy and distancing guidelines.

From what I've seen restaurants and other places are doing a decent job of spacing people out, wiping down common areas, and taking the right precautions.

I've seen and heard multiple instances where bars aren't doing much of anything.
Bars weren't known as champions of cleanliness pre-pandemic.



Don't forget, IrishtxAggie has been licking the tops of those bars.
well, that is an improvement. Maybe there is hope!
IrishTxAggie
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swimmerbabe11 said:

cajunaggie08 said:

Ag_07 said:

rhoswen said:

Ag_07 said:

I'm not an expert but I think there are three reasons we're seeing the increase in young cases

  • Protests
  • Bars
  • Old folks learned their lesson early and are staying home



Younger folks are more social, imo, and not just bars or parties.

True but I think bars are a big culprit of not following the occupancy and distancing guidelines.

From what I've seen restaurants and other places are doing a decent job of spacing people out, wiping down common areas, and taking the right precautions.

I've seen and heard multiple instances where bars aren't doing much of anything.
Bars weren't known as champions of cleanliness pre-pandemic.



Don't forget, IrishtxAggie has been licking the tops of those bars.
And none of my communicable diseases are COVID thank you very much!
Head Ninja In Charge
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Related, I saw some place called Handlebar on Washington got their license suspended for 30 days because of violations.
rhoswen
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So did Barge here in Seabrook. They're fighting it legally, which is awesome.
nonameag99
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At a Home Depot in Harris county and they are not enforcing mask requirements
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Can't think of a worst place to socially distance and respect people's space than inside a place who's product offerings generally result in impaired decision making. Aside from this, I'd venture to to say some people who go to bars don't really care to distance while there anyway. It's no surprise this could be contributing to the uptick in cases (as well as mass gatherings and other opening back up in general).
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Texan_Aggie said:

Can't think of a worst place to socially distance and respect people's space than inside a place who's product offerings generally result in impaired decision making. Aside from this, I'd venture to to say some people who go to bars don't really care to distance while there anyway. It's no surprise this could be contributing to the uptick in cases (as well as mass gatherings and other opening back up in general).
Just doing my part for herd immunity
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IrishTxAggie said:

Texan_Aggie said:

Can't think of a worst place to socially distance and respect people's space than inside a place who's product offerings generally result in impaired decision making. Aside from this, I'd venture to to say some people who go to bars don't really care to distance while there anyway. It's no surprise this could be contributing to the uptick in cases (as well as mass gatherings and other opening back up in general).
Just doing my part for herd immunity
In the words of the Great Dean Wormer... "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
IrishTxAggie
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Texan_Aggie said:

IrishTxAggie said:

Texan_Aggie said:

Can't think of a worst place to socially distance and respect people's space than inside a place who's product offerings generally result in impaired decision making. Aside from this, I'd venture to to say some people who go to bars don't really care to distance while there anyway. It's no surprise this could be contributing to the uptick in cases (as well as mass gatherings and other opening back up in general).
Just doing my part for herd immunity
In the words of the Great Dean Wormer... "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
Worked out pretty well for me so far.
Petrino1
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Can any doctors chime in on my question. What are the chances of getting covid again after testing positive? I know its possible for the virus to linger in your body for a while and it can cause you to retest positive. I am wondering if your chance of contracting the virus again from someone else goes down after testing positive? I have heard different opinions from people on this.

Milwaukees Best Light
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Whatever the question is, the answer is 2 weeks.
Head Ninja In Charge
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Milwaukees Best Light said:

Whatever the question is, the answer is 2 weeks.
Ain't this virus a epidemiological oddity...2 weeks from everything.
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ea1060 said:

Can any doctors chime in on my question. What are the chances of getting covid again after testing positive? I know its possible for the virus to linger in your body for a while and it can cause you to retest positive. I am wondering if your chance of contracting the virus again from someone else goes down after testing positive? I have heard different opinions from people on this.


I am not a doctor, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express:
https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/if-i-get-coronavirus-can-i-get-it-again
Quote:

Generally speaking, once you have antibodies for a specific pathogen, it's harder to get sick with that same disease again because those antibodies are able to "recognize" the pathogen and deactivate it when it enters the body. Again, it doesn't always work this way, but that's the basic idea of how people can acquire immunity to certain diseases.

Depending on the specific pathogen, these antibodies may stay in your body for months or years, potentially even the rest of your life. This is why it's very unlikely for you to get chickenpox twice your body recognizes it if you're exposed again and can usually fight it off.

Not every virus functions the same way, though, and extensive research into whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 generates enough antibodies to impart a durable immune response is unclear. But there's plenty of reason to hope that a vaccine can be developed, and, in fact, clinical trials have already started.

This lack of clear knowledge is an ongoing concern for many, who are trying to find the best way to both treat and prevent COVID-19 infections. Anna Giuliano, founding director of the Center for Immunization and Infection Research in Cancer at the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, says that it's too soon to speculate on whether this particular virus will impart immunity.
For one, it appears that some people who get COVID-19 may not develop antibodies to the virus. Additionally, there are still many other uncertainties related to the body's immune response to this particular pathogen.
At this point, this particular COVID-19 virus seems to be acting more like a stable, nonmutating virus," says Dr. Katherine Dallow, vice president and medical director of clinical programs and strategy for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts. If this assumption is confirmed, it means that when a vaccine is developed, you'll likely only need to get it once or once every five or 10 years to maintain immunity, rather than annually like the flu shot.

But right now, Dallow says "it's far too early" to be making assumptions about how long immunity will last after infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus. But, "I think that the scientific and epidemiologic community are cautiously optimistic" that this virus may be less like the virus that causes the flu, which mutates frequently and can thus dodge the recognition abilities of the human immune system.

For now, it's best to assume that everyone you come into contact with has the virus and could give it to you. Until we know more, it's also best to assume that even if you have recovered from COVID-19 that you could still become reinfected.

I was in the room here one day... watchin' the Mexican channel on TV. I don't know nothin' about Pele. I'm watchin' what this guy can do with a ball and his feet. Next thing I know, he jumps in the air and flips into a somersault and kicks the ball in - upside down and backwards... the dang (sc) goalie never knew what the hell hit him. Pele gets excited and he rips off his jersey and starts running around the stadium waving it around his head. Everybody's screaming in Spanish. I'
Jugstore Cowboy
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Texan_Aggie said:

Can't think of a worst place to socially distance and respect people's space than inside a place who's product offerings generally result in impaired decision making. Aside from this, I'd venture to to say some people who go to bars don't really care to distance while there anyway. It's no surprise this could be contributing to the uptick in cases (as well as mass gatherings and other opening back up in general).


I've only stopped in briefly at a couple regular spots since the phased reopening, and overcrowding is the last thing any of them are worried about right now.

I guess we've all seen and heard some reports of different situations at some clubs and trendy Heights places, but that's not a universal problem for all businesses that have reopened.
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Gap said:

Meanwhile the 3 day moving average death count for covid in Texas is near its all time low.

Obligatory wait 2 weeks response
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Gap said:

Meanwhile the 3 day moving average death count for covid in Texas is near its all time low.


Using a 3-day average from a Monday is a pretty poor metric, I thought it was pretty well known that there are always sags in reported numbers during the weekend. At best, you should only compare a Monday 3-day average vs priors which shows that we aren't at all-time highs but are also well above all-time lows and on an increasing trend. A 7-day average is a much better item to use because it smooths out these known weekly frequency lulls. I plotted both 3 day and 7 day moving average below for TX new fatalities, those dips in the blue line are all Mondays.

terradactylexpress
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Doesn't fit his narrative so obviously faulty data
aggiemike02
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Good updates on the TMC site today showing more data and basis for warnings/mitigations

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/
The Last Cobra Commander
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Fort Bend County's judge just caved.
"The leftist is driven by something other than facts and can't be cured."
Thunder18
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You knew he was going to follow whatever Harris County did
Silky Johnston
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Why even post this, lol. Do you just do random coronavirus searches and find the most ridiculous thing possible and post here?

For reference on your source, this is their bio line: "Firstsquawk is a global squawk service specialising in financial markets of India and global macro."
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Seriously? You don't think good trial results are of topic for this thread?

I'm well aware what FirstSquawk is. I have the notifications because I day trade. You're more than welcome to search and you'll find that this information was widely reported today

Thank you thread police.
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I'm sure pigs are really stoked at those results
IrishTxAggie
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cone said:

I'm sure pigs are really stoked at those results

You realize that it is a requirement that the trials go this route right? It's a pretty important step in the development process.

nonameag99
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cone said:

I'm sure pigs are really stoked at those results
OMG, DID THEY HURT SOME PIGS?

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The Last Cobra Commander said:

Fort Bend County's judge just caved.
He's just giving the people what they want

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