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12:07p, 6/21/17
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Houston City Council voted Wednesday to sue the state over its new "sanctuary cities" law, joining Texas' three other largest cities in challenging the controversial measure.

Council voted 10-6 to join San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, El Paso County and several other local governments and nonprofits in a consolidated case challenging the state.

A preliminary hearing in the case is scheduled for Monday.

"This is not an issue of our choosing," Mayor Sylvester Turner said. "But when it ends up on your plate, you have to address it."
Our city government is a joke. The next time something horrible happens to a Houston citizen at the hand of an illegal, I hope those people on city council who voted for this are on the receiving end.

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12:10p, 6/21/17
Turner is a dolt of course he would do this..
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12:13p, 6/21/17
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Who cares about laws!!

WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12:43p, 6/21/17
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Well did you think the city was just going to accept the time and cost of enforcing this without putting up a fight?
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In reply to cajunaggie08 • 12:48p, 6/21/17
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cajunaggie08 said:
Well did you think the city was just going to accept the time and cost of enforcing this without putting up a fight?

Of course not, they've got streets to rename and those signs they replace ain't cheap. Plus, they've got to pay for 49 different "director of diversity/sustainability/urban agriculture/community outreach" salaries at $150K a pop, minimum.
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1:12p, 6/21/17
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Yay, more taxes to pay for illegals medical care and housing!
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1:17p, 6/21/17
Liberalism is a cancer.
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In reply to CDUB98 • 6:20p, 6/21/17
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CDUB98 said:
Who cares about laws!!

WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Sorry, officer...I didn't know the city was still enforcing laws."
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6:37p, 6/21/17
leave it to government, to sue government with tax payer dollars, and defend itself from government with tax payer dollars.
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In reply to Finn Maccumhail • 7:24p, 6/21/17
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Let's not forget the money they spent or want to spend renaming schools and changing athletics uniforms because someone went to the library to look for a reason to be offended. I'd be astounded if they don't go with that moronic argument for Sam Houston being an offensive historical figure and remove all mention of him and try to change the name of the city.
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8:06p, 6/21/17
Racist....
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In reply to Quincey P. Morris • 10:09p, 6/21/17
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Lucky #007 said:
Let's not forget the money they spent or want to spend renaming schools and changing athletics uniforms because someone went to the library to look for a reason to be offended. I'd be astounded if they don't go with that moronic argument for Sam Houston being an offensive historical figure and remove all mention of him and try to change the name of the city.
That is Houston ISD, not the Houston government. They are different political subdivisions.
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 10:14p, 6/21/17
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By the same logic, do you hope that all good legal things done by illegal immigrants in Houston directly benefit the city council members who voted for this measure?

Cause that would be a pretty sweet benefit.
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P.H. Dexippus
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In reply to HerschelwoodHardhead • 10:35p, 6/21/17
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HerschelwoodHardhead said:
By the same logic, do you hope that all good legal things done by illegal immigrants in Houston directly benefit the city council members who voted for this measure?

Cause that would be a pretty sweet benefit.

That's about the dumbest thing I've read on here in a long time. And that's saying something.
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2:39p, 6/22/17
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That's okay. They cut 24 million from the fire dept budget from an already strapped dept with lack of resources and soon to be lack of manpower.
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In reply to KDubAg • 3:00p, 6/22/17
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Yep. My uncle told me that there are several FF's that have come down with "eye problems" because they can't see themselves going to work since this happened.
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In reply to The Wonderer • 3:03p, 6/22/17
The Wonderer said:
Lucky #007 said:
Let's not forget the money they spent or want to spend renaming schools and changing athletics uniforms because someone went to the library to look for a reason to be offended. I'd be astounded if they don't go with that moronic argument for Sam Houston being an offensive historical figure and remove all mention of him and try to change the name of the city.
That is Houston ISD, not the Houston government. They are different political subdivisions.
Yes, but there's a lot of overlap in the voter base and dominant political factions. There are at least two former Houston city council members on the HISD board along with a few wannabes. The same misguided political hacks are directing the spending of your tax dollars in both entities.

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In reply to aTm2004 • 9:41p, 6/22/17
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We normally see one email (person) announcing retirement every two weeks or so. We had 9 in one day yesterday. Lol. We normally had about 45+ graduating recruits. We had 23 people graduate the academy last week. It's going to be quite interesting to see what happens to the fire dept.

You get what you (COH) pay for.
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In reply to The Wonderer • 9:55p, 6/22/17
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The Wonderer said:
Lucky #007 said:
Let's not forget the money they spent or want to spend renaming schools and changing athletics uniforms because someone went to the library to look for a reason to be offended. I'd be astounded if they don't go with that moronic argument for Sam Houston being an offensive historical figure and remove all mention of him and try to change the name of the city.
That is Houston ISD, not the Houston government. They are different political subdivisions.


It's not HISD that just renamed a road from a Confederate general to Emancipation Ave.
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8:43a, 6/26/17
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For the record, doesn't the State law say that the cities must conform to National Immigration Laws?

So, literally, the Texas Legislature told the cities of Texas to obey a law that was created and passed by the United States Government; and the cities have beef with the State???
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11:32a, 6/26/17
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My sister in law was hit by an Illegal 2 weeks ago. The man had an expired Mexican drivers license and an insurance card that was paid for by his employer. The employer refused to call her back after email and phone calls. Her mother finally called pretending to be interested in doing business with the company and then told the owner that she is the mother of the girl who was hit by her illegal employee. It sounds like they are working to get her car fixed as we speak.

Where I am pissed off is when she called the police to report the accident and reported that the man was illegal, the police officers never showed up at the scene after 2 hours of waiting. I told her that she should send in a complaint, however, she knows nothing will happen so she is just happy to be moving forward in getting her car fixed.
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In reply to HoustonAg2014 • 11:59a, 6/26/17
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Aggiesincebirth said:
My sister in law was hit by an Illegal 2 weeks ago. The man had an expired Mexican drivers license and an insurance card that was paid for by his employer. The employer refused to call her back after email and phone calls. Her mother finally called pretending to be interested in doing business with the company and then told the owner that she is the mother of the girl who was hit by her illegal employee. It sounds like they are working to get her car fixed as we speak.

Where I am pissed off is when she called the police to report the accident and reported that the man was illegal, the police officers never showed up at the scene after 2 hours of waiting. I told her that she should send in a complaint, however, she knows nothing will happen so she is just happy to be moving forward in getting her car fixed.
HPD isn't going to send a car when there are no any injuries nor any public property damage. Fill out the online accident report and submit it that way.
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In reply to vansprinkle • 12:27p, 6/26/17
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vansprinkle said:

It's not HISD that just renamed a road from a Confederate general to Emancipation Ave.
Actually, no one did.
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11:02p, 6/26/17
The whole thing is dumb, even the bit about asking for legal status. Yes, I get that there are illegal people present in the country and in our city, however the primary function of a local police department is to respond to residents of the city in emergency situations and to enforce laws. (Yes, I get that officers detaining illegal immigrants is enforcing the law). All I am saying is, I would rather have an officer respond to a domestic violence call, robbery, or burglary than be entertained with immigration enforcement. The city joining this lawsuit is also a little much.
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In reply to UndergroundAg • 11:10p, 6/26/17
Nobody is proposing sending HPD officers down to the border to do something entirely new and outside their duties. The issue is that they should be cooperating with federal law enforcement to help escort out some of our less-welcomed guests.
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In reply to Liquid Wrench • 7:09a, 6/27/17
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Nobody is proposing sending HPD officers down to the border to do something entirely new and outside their duties. The issue is that they should be cooperating with federal law enforcement to help escort out some of our less-welcomed guests.


Right, it's obvious they are not being sent out of the city limits. I think everyone understands that.. I agree that they should cooperate. What I am saying is I don't want an HPD officer taking longer at a traffic stop waiting for immigration to arrive to take someone into custody when they could be patrolling or responding to other calls. There already isn't enough bed space in the county jails where offenders are getting 2 or 3 days credit per day just so they can get pushed out. I don't disagree with it, I just hope it doesn't become a priority over the officers primary duties in serving houstonians.
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In reply to UndergroundAg • 7:17a, 6/27/17
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ChiliBeans said:
Nobody is proposing sending HPD officers down to the border to do something entirely new and outside their duties. The issue is that they should be cooperating with federal law enforcement to help escort out some of our less-welcomed guests.


Right, it's obvious they are not being sent out of the city limits. I think everyone understands that.. I agree that they should cooperate. What I am saying is I don't want an HPD officer taking longer at a traffic stop waiting for immigration to arrive to take someone into custody when they could be patrolling or responding to other calls. There already isn't enough bed space in the county jails where offenders are getting 2 or 3 days credit per day just so they can get pushed out. I don't disagree with it, I just hope it doesn't become a priority over the officers primary duties in serving houstonians.
The new state law does not require HPD officers to "take longer on traffic stops waiting for immigration to arrive"

The new state law says cities can not forbid their officers from asking about immigration status. Currently, they aren't allowed to do so for traffic stops. I'd bet in practice, most officers don't change once they are allowed to ask. Because they will quickly find out that the feds aren't interested in picking them up.

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8:08a, 6/27/17
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I think the primary impact we are going to experience is the 50 mph highway drivers who are scared to get in an accident due to lack of insurance will now become 45 mph highway drivers because they are scared they are going to get deported for minor traffic violations. so, basically...one step closer to being Corpus.
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In reply to UndergroundAg • 8:10a, 6/27/17
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UndergroundAg said:
ChiliBeans said:
Nobody is proposing sending HPD officers down to the border to do something entirely new and outside their duties. The issue is that they should be cooperating with federal law enforcement to help escort out some of our less-welcomed guests.


Right, it's obvious they are not being sent out of the city limits. I think everyone understands that.. I agree that they should cooperate. What I am saying is I don't want an HPD officer taking longer at a traffic stop waiting for immigration to arrive to take someone into custody when they could be patrolling or responding to other calls. There already isn't enough bed space in the county jails where offenders are getting 2 or 3 days credit per day just so they can get pushed out. I don't disagree with it, I just hope it doesn't become a priority over the officers primary duties in serving houstonians.
Rest assured, nothing will take priority over speed traps and multiple officer stings to get those heinous criminals a citation for having an expired inspection sticker.

Jeebus, you are acting like this is going to turn them into the Brow Coats and we'll have raving patrols of HPD roaming the streets demanding papers and administering beatings to all that cannot produce them. It's pretty simple - if an HPD officer stops somebody and, during the course of talking to them they feel that it may be beneficial to ask or check on their legal status - they ask or check on their legal status. If legal or a citizen - no harm done. If illegal, well then that person has obviously broken a fuggin law and should be dealt with accordingly.
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In reply to UndergroundAg • 8:17a, 6/27/17
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UndergroundAg said:
ChiliBeans said:
Nobody is proposing sending HPD officers down to the border to do something entirely new and outside their duties. The issue is that they should be cooperating with federal law enforcement to help escort out some of our less-welcomed guests.


Right, it's obvious they are not being sent out of the city limits. I think everyone understands that.. I agree that they should cooperate. What I am saying is I don't want an HPD officer taking longer at a traffic stop waiting for immigration to arrive to take someone into custody when they could be patrolling or responding to other calls. There already isn't enough bed space in the county jails where offenders are getting 2 or 3 days credit per day just so they can get pushed out. I don't disagree with it, I just hope it doesn't become a priority over the officers primary duties in serving houstonians.
The ONLY reason a traffic cop would have to do a damn thing to the illegal was IF he ran the plates, the ID or whatever and found that there is any form of detainer on the guy. Sanctuary cities current use executive order or actual ordnances or , as in Travis county a renegade sheriff , to ORDER their LEO to NOT honor an ICE detainer and to NOT cooperate with the feds regarding immigration. SB4 simply prohibits the locals from PROHIBITING a cop from doing his duty AS HE SEES FIT ! An individual cop can simply not check on the illegal status, or turn a blind eye just like he can now for that stunning blonde he pulls over for speeding ! It does prohibit the locals from deliberately ignoring an immigration warrant discovered in an already happening legal incident like being booked into a damn jail. It goes a local LEO protection from someone like a renegade sheriff or chief or mayor who attempts to take action against him for checking on status in the normal pursuit of his cop duties but it does NOT force the cop to do a damn thing.
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In reply to The Wonderer • 9:31a, 6/27/17
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I could be wrong but I thought you were supposed to report every accident. Of course I don't expect that to happen but when you are talking about someone hitting you that is illegal and has no means to pay for the $3k in damage they caused to your car, I would think there is a better way to handle it than to fill out the online form??? I mean if the guy didn't have insurance and only had an expired Mexico drivers license shouldn't the cops show up? If not then why the hell would I pay for insurance? We could just hit people and then flee the scene every time and not get into trouble.
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In reply to HoustonAg2014 • 9:37a, 6/27/17
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Aggiesincebirth said:
I could be wrong but I thought you were supposed to report every accident. Of course I don't expect that to happen but when you are talking about someone hitting you that is illegal and has no means to pay for the $3k in damage they caused to your car, I would think there is a better way to handle it than to fill out the online form??? I mean if the guy didn't have insurance and only had an expired Mexico drivers license shouldn't the cops show up? If not then why the hell would I pay for insurance? We could just hit people and then flee the scene every time and not get into trouble.
You'd think so, especially if there is prop damage, but that's never been my experience. Personal injuries, they'll show.
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The Wonderer said:
Aggiesincebirth said:
I could be wrong but I thought you were supposed to report every accident. Of course I don't expect that to happen but when you are talking about someone hitting you that is illegal and has no means to pay for the $3k in damage they caused to your car, I would think there is a better way to handle it than to fill out the online form??? I mean if the guy didn't have insurance and only had an expired Mexico drivers license shouldn't the cops show up? If not then why the hell would I pay for insurance? We could just hit people and then flee the scene every time and not get into trouble.
You'd think so, especially if there is prop damage, but that's never been my experience. Personal injuries, they'll show.
IF you drive any amount in a big Texas city you WILL be hit by an " no tengo nada " " no hables" type. He will have no papers of any kind or if he has any they are fake. I know from several experiences that the cops could care less unless there is injury or if traffic is compromised by an incapacitated vehicle. IF the cops show up the UM will be given multiple tickets , you will be told that he has no papers, you will get his ( fake) contact info and thats IT . Everyone leaves. You are sheit outa luck..and no one cares. A few weeks later your insurance company will tell you that they can't find Mr Juan Rodriguez on Harwin Ave and unless you have UM you will have to file under collision. If all you have is Texas liability..bend over...

But this is only an avenue available for those who have nothing to lose. YOU can not get away with this as IF you hit Juan Rodriguez and YOU do not have coverage the UM will successfully sue you for everything you own. He will lawyer up with bottom feeding filthy parasite subhuman scum like the Texas Hammer who specifically brags about Se Hables Espanol and will come get everything he can from YOU !
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In reply to The Original AG 76 • 11:00a, 6/27/17
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The Original AG 76 said:
The Wonderer said:
Aggiesincebirth said:
I could be wrong but I thought you were supposed to report every accident. Of course I don't expect that to happen but when you are talking about someone hitting you that is illegal and has no means to pay for the $3k in damage they caused to your car, I would think there is a better way to handle it than to fill out the online form??? I mean if the guy didn't have insurance and only had an expired Mexico drivers license shouldn't the cops show up? If not then why the hell would I pay for insurance? We could just hit people and then flee the scene every time and not get into trouble.
You'd think so, especially if there is prop damage, but that's never been my experience. Personal injuries, they'll show.
IF you drive any amount in a big Texas city you WILL be hit by an " no tengo nada " " no hables" type. He will have no papers of any kind or if he has any they are fake. I know from several experiences that the cops could care less unless there is injury or if traffic is compromised by an incapacitated vehicle. IF the cops show up the UM will be given multiple tickets , you will be told that he has no papers, you will get his ( fake) contact info and thats IT . Everyone leaves. You are sheit outa luck..and no one cares. A few weeks later your insurance company will tell you that they can't find Mr Juan Rodriguez on Harwin Ave and unless you have UM you will have to file under collision. If all you have is Texas liability..bend over...

But this is only an avenue available for those who have nothing to lose. YOU can not get away with this as IF you hit Juan Rodriguez and YOU do not have coverage the UM will successfully sue you for everything you own. He will lawyer up with bottom feeding filthy parasite subhuman scum like the Texas Hammer who specifically brags about Se Hables Espanol and will come get everything he can from YOU !
And this is exactly why you carry UM at limits high enough to cover the value of your vehicle. Or drive something cheap as a daily driver if you don't want to. I keep UM on both my cars for this exact reason after I got tagged by an expired registration, no insurance having 19 year old driver. HCSO asked if I wanted to be lenient and I said "hell no, ticket him for everything you can," (she was already tagging him for the no insurance). He got five tickets from what I recall.
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