Will it surpass the DFW to SA I-35 project as the most inept , poorly planned , behind schedule highway construction project in Texas' history ?

- 2+ years of painstaking renovations of a **seven!** mile stretch of highway beteeen bush and legacy with no end in sight ? Check

_ massive lane closures starting at 8pm each night between Bush and royal for god knows how long, that creates friday 5pm traffic from 8-11pm? Check

-lowering of speed limit to 55 due to inept , turtle pace construction progress south of 635? Even when actual construction crews aren't out? Check

-be this inept despite being a toll road that many of us pay a solid $1000 a year to drive on? Oh yeah

History is being made before our eyes

Even if tollway is only 80% as bad, it's a TOLLWAY thus our $ being there for the project should make it substantially faster and better

In general, tollway projects do seem to run much faster given the motivation to push as many cars (and therefore $$$) through that part of the road as soon as they can. This one is nasty, but the problem I see is that the tollway is quite elevated through that entire stretch. Not necessarily all bridge, but there is a least large earth buildup. So I can see why it's messier and taking some time.

SoupNazi2001 said:

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Just wait until they really start Bush to 635 stretch. That is a much worse area to expand given the road there.

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What is the formal start and end date for that part? (so that I can add approx two years to it)

Ol Jock 99 said:

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The fact that they built the Bush/DNT interchange the way they did should tell you all you need to know about the professionalism involved.

"We have tons of room and plenty of money, so let's have the traffic all merge into a single lane just for fun!"

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High five just as much a mess. Poor design seems to be the hallmark of these massive projects.

Ol Jock 99 said:

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The fact that they built the Bush/DNT interchange the way they did should tell you all you need to know about the professionalism involved.

"We have tons of room and plenty of money, so let's have the traffic all merge into a single lane just for fun!"

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Are you talking about the southbound DNT route that merges a ton of onramp traffic right into a ton of offramp traffic?

The only merge that isn't awful (at least as of the last time I went on it) was north DNT to east Bush. East or west Bush to north DNT is awful, as is the south DNT to Bush you mentioned.

Basically, whole thing is a fail.

SoupNazi2001 said:

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TexasAggie008 said:

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SoupNazi2001 said:

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Just wait until they really start Bush to 635 stretch. That is a much worse area to expand given the road there.

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What is the formal start and end date for that part? (so that I can add approx two years to it)

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Once they finish Legacy to bush. Completion early 2018.

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Plus, I believe they aren't actually expanding the roadway surface south of Bush, only restriping and shrinking lane width to squeeze in an extra lane. It doesn't go to 635 either...stops in Addison.

Stive said:

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Actually, if I remember correctly, the high five went fairly smooth. I believe at that time that was the busiest interchange in the metroplex and to complete a project of that size/scale in 5 years with that kind of traffic, and without cutting off Plano and Richardson from the rest of the known world, was pretty impressive. It was essentially finished on time as well.

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The construction project went fairly smoothly. But I think he was referring to the design (only one lane from NB 75 to WB 635), which seems to consistently be backed up. In fact, Waze recommends I take Coit to 635 instead nearly every time, regardless of time of day.

Ahh fair enough.

Anyone know why they didn't build an exit for 121 from the 35 express lanes?

Thanks. Little dude showed up about an hour after we got there...all the visitors that have come in from out of town are like 'man that Tollway sucks!!'

It is totally fubar.

I also like how they merged the new extra pgbt left lane right beside the exit for the dnt. So people get backed up on both the left and right sides of the road, all looking to swerve to the
Middle to speed on.

Idiotic because the road is already wide enough for them to have moved it farther along.

All the while they still use the old manned tollbooth chargingbplan rather than using the existing technology to charge for the mileage you actually use.

It all goes to the lowest bidder.

Dum dum pshhhh