Did the sorting change immediately as well? I rarely need to mail anything local these days. I always thought taking away regional sorting was dumb.
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Last: 9 mo ago by Love Gun
Sad to see. Eagle's reporting on Covid was horrible. I could no longer stand it. Cancelled and now subscribe to The Epoch Times. Excellent and truthful.
Epoch Times huh? Cool. Cool cool cool.
Epoch Times!
The anti-Trump and anti-Abbott slant cost them dearly. That's why we stopped our subscription in 2017, and I'm not really political I'm Libertarian; also worked there 5 years. The culture there was entirely Democrat when I worked there and it translated into their coverage. What a shame. If they were just fair, this hometown paper would be thriving. All my friends and family members quit their subscriptions over their anti-Trump coverage also. You can only roll your eyes so much before you say no more of this propaganda. Go woke, go broke.
Therein lies the problem. A hometown newspaper should be predominantly covering local news, not national.
Damn. How are people in the Brazos Valley gonna know why some random stranger is smiling every day?
The Eagle's reliance on the Texas Tribune was yet another reason to dump the Eagle. Even acknowledging the Tribune's bias in reporting (via email's to the managing editor(s)), the response was "they still are our best, and free, source of state news". Wow, just wow....slanted and selective news is okay, because it's free?
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I talked to my local paper about the editorial statements inserted in Associated Press news stories that were clearly NOT opinion pieces during Trump's term. They said they were having such a hard time with the AP, they had to quit using them for national news.
The editors both responded that the agreement to use the Tribune articles included a "no editing" clause, which for a outlet like the Tribune, with an agenda, that reeks of journalism being used in a political way.
And I'll admit, well done, in a "60 Minutes" kind of way. "See, we presented some real facts, selectively, and added some editorial content...but not too much. And we will not cover topics that would reflect poorly on the political persuasion we advocate".
And I'll admit, well done, in a "60 Minutes" kind of way. "See, we presented some real facts, selectively, and added some editorial content...but not too much. And we will not cover topics that would reflect poorly on the political persuasion we advocate".
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We would love to have a daily paper with a focus solely on local news. We haven't had that in a while. I can get slanted national and state news on television.
Bring back The Pictorial Press!
Newspapers got a terminal illness when CraigsList came along.
It would vary by market but for the most part a newspapers revenue broke down roughly like this:
Classifieds - 40% including auto dealers, jobs, and real estate brokers.
Advertising - 40% including those inserts that were generally Wednesday for grocery stores and then Sunday for so much.
Subscription - 20%
Classified ads and those inserts basically subsidized the reporters and journalism. The funny thing about those inserts is advertisers used the paper because it was more cost effective than direct mail. The newspaper was basically a cheaper service than the USPS.
As newspapers lost circulation they lost their scale of distribution for certain advertisers.
Journalism never carried the freight at newspapers even in the glory days. Now all that subsidized advertising revenue is gone.
Kudos to the newspapers trying to make it work as it can add value to a community but it's a failed business model without the advertising subsidies that piggy backed on an efficient distribution model they created.
Throw in the fact we live in an insanely politically divided time where people don't really want objective news and just want an echo chamber so local journalism doesn't really stand a chance.
It would vary by market but for the most part a newspapers revenue broke down roughly like this:
Classifieds - 40% including auto dealers, jobs, and real estate brokers.
Advertising - 40% including those inserts that were generally Wednesday for grocery stores and then Sunday for so much.
Subscription - 20%
Classified ads and those inserts basically subsidized the reporters and journalism. The funny thing about those inserts is advertisers used the paper because it was more cost effective than direct mail. The newspaper was basically a cheaper service than the USPS.
As newspapers lost circulation they lost their scale of distribution for certain advertisers.
Journalism never carried the freight at newspapers even in the glory days. Now all that subsidized advertising revenue is gone.
Kudos to the newspapers trying to make it work as it can add value to a community but it's a failed business model without the advertising subsidies that piggy backed on an efficient distribution model they created.
Throw in the fact we live in an insanely politically divided time where people don't really want objective news and just want an echo chamber so local journalism doesn't really stand a chance.
I disagree with that. If the Eagle had stayed neutral, they wouldn't have lost as many people.Quote:
Throw in the fact we live in an insanely politically divided time where people don't really want objective news and just want an echo chamber so local journalism doesn't really stand a chance.
Most people crave actual news without a slant.
Most people crave the news they slant to.
75AG said:
Most people crave the news they slant to.
Winner winner chicken dinner
Fair enough, then the Eagle should have recognized their subscriber community and provided content accordingly so as to not alienate them. KBTX makes this same mistake as well IMO.
Even if people really wanted no slant news and a newspaper met that demand it's still a failed model because it's a dying medium. Fewer people are going to subscribe over time because there's more efficient ways to get their news.
The distribution costs don't scale below a certain sub number so it's costly to distribute even beyond the cost of content creation.
We can argue content to demand ratio but it's always been on a downward slope once classifieds left and advertisers found other places because the costs to distribute a physical newspaper don't scale down and making money in digital is EXTREMELY difficult.
Newspapers have been trying to go digital for two decades but nobody has figured it out. Same with broadcast news. Broadcast has been able to hold thanks largely because their cost to "create" news has decreased. Equipment and talent costs have gone down quite a bit.
The "traditional" media we've known for the last 50 years is changing. Those that slant with the cheapest distribution are the ones who make money.
The distribution costs don't scale below a certain sub number so it's costly to distribute even beyond the cost of content creation.
We can argue content to demand ratio but it's always been on a downward slope once classifieds left and advertisers found other places because the costs to distribute a physical newspaper don't scale down and making money in digital is EXTREMELY difficult.
Newspapers have been trying to go digital for two decades but nobody has figured it out. Same with broadcast news. Broadcast has been able to hold thanks largely because their cost to "create" news has decreased. Equipment and talent costs have gone down quite a bit.
The "traditional" media we've known for the last 50 years is changing. Those that slant with the cheapest distribution are the ones who make money.
I didn't see the Obits mentioned above.
The joke used to be "people dying is what pays for the paper". Obits aren't cheap. My hometown newspaper charged $400 for my dad's obit several years ago. It was not a huge obit. Medium-sized maybe.
It's been frustrating that you only get a certain number of page views on the digital platform of any paper before they want you to pay for views that day or subscribe to their digital output.
It shouldn't be that way with Obituaries. People paid to have those published. Other people should not have to then pay to read them.
Advertisers pay to be in the paper and they certainly don't charge to have you read the ads.
Their myopic view on several fronts has done them in. I gave up the Chronicle and the Eagle quite some time ago.
The joke used to be "people dying is what pays for the paper". Obits aren't cheap. My hometown newspaper charged $400 for my dad's obit several years ago. It was not a huge obit. Medium-sized maybe.
It's been frustrating that you only get a certain number of page views on the digital platform of any paper before they want you to pay for views that day or subscribe to their digital output.
It shouldn't be that way with Obituaries. People paid to have those published. Other people should not have to then pay to read them.
Advertisers pay to be in the paper and they certainly don't charge to have you read the ads.
Their myopic view on several fronts has done them in. I gave up the Chronicle and the Eagle quite some time ago.
I agree. And, as a woman, I always enjoyed the wedding stories with descriptions of the flowers, gowns and such. We had to pay a fortune to get our daughter's wedding in the local and the Waco papers. As I've gotten older, the obituaries are the first thing I read - just to be sure I'm not listed in there.
What did you find out about that? I subscribe to the Houston Chronicle and was wondering about that too.
Yeah. Me too.
If see myself listed, I'm calling in dead to work.
If see myself listed, I'm calling in dead to work.
Dad called the WSJ and they told him they had independent carriers and they would have it delivered daily.LWEW said:
What did you find out about that? I subscribe to the Houston Chronicle and was wondering about that too.
For local news I just pay attention to this board. Anything happens of note, it'll be mentioned
They don't have a snowball's chance in Hell to make a go of it via USPS. I suspect a third of the subscribers won't re-subscribe when it's due and another third will drop it after they get the Saturday paper on Tuesday, The Tuesday on Wednesday in the mail, and the Thursdays late, late Thurs or Friday evening.
The last third will hang on until the Eagle quits printing and mailing it.
The last third will hang on until the Eagle quits printing and mailing it.
woodiewood1 said:
They don't have a snowball's chance in Hell to make a go of it via USPS. I suspect a third of the subscribers won't re-subscribe when it's due and another third will drop it after they get the Saturday paper on Tuesday, The Tuesday on Wednesday in the mail, and the Thursdays late, late Thurs or Friday evening.
The last third will hang on until the Eagle quits printing and mailing it.
It is a slow death, because in the 40+ years that I've known about The Eagle, they've never been one to look themselves in the mirror and be honest with themselves about their management (of lack thereof) of their industry in this town.
Instead of adapting and focusing more on their app and their digital content, they're still trying to shove paper news down your throats. When you combine that endangered business model with wokeism and the echo chamber of today's media, its obvious The Eagle has been swirling the bowl for a while.
**** Joe Biden
They may have independent carriers, but it's been the same carrier for at least a decade. They even put the WSJ and Eagle in the same plastic sack.Belton Ag said:Dad called the WSJ and they told him they had independent carriers and they would have it delivered daily.LWEW said:
What did you find out about that? I subscribe to the Houston Chronicle and was wondering about that too.
My parakeets were livid when I told them they're only gonna get new paper 3x a week!
BTW - if you feel you got ripped off on the obits, it was probably the funeral home that ripped you off. They'll "take care of your obit" , have the paper do it, then charge you double what the paper charged them.
Clucky said:
BTW - if you feel you got ripped off on the obits, it was probably the funeral home that ripped you off. They'll "take care of your obit" , have the paper do it, then charge you double what the paper charged them.
Nope.
Went through the newspaper directly.
Obviously not all local media has gone downhill. Bryan Broadcasting is still locally owned and doing well.Love Gun said:woodiewood1 said:
They don't have a snowball's chance in Hell to make a go of it via USPS. I suspect a third of the subscribers won't re-subscribe when it's due and another third will drop it after they get the Saturday paper on Tuesday, The Tuesday on Wednesday in the mail, and the Thursdays late, late Thurs or Friday evening.
The last third will hang on until the Eagle quits printing and mailing it.
It is a slow death, because in the 40+ years that I've known about The Eagle, they've never been one to look themselves in the mirror and be honest with themselves about their management (of lack thereof) of their industry in this town.
Instead of adapting and focusing more on their app and their digital content, they're still trying to shove paper news down your throats. When you combine that endangered business model with wokeism and the echo chamber of today's media, it's obvious The Eagle has been swirling the bowl for a while.
woodiewood1 said:They may have independent carriers, but it's been the same carrier for at least a decade. They even put the WSJ and Eagle in the same plastic sack.Belton Ag said:Dad called the WSJ and they told him they had independent carriers and they would have it delivered daily.LWEW said:
What did you find out about that? I subscribe to the Houston Chronicle and was wondering about that too.
For years after I moved to BCS I would buy a Houston Chronicle sub from the same guy here. He handled all sorts of newspapers and did a pretty good job for his customers. I can't remember his name now, but I wonder if he's still around.
Back when we had to register in person there was always a table for newspaper subscriptions. I bet they garnered thousands of extra subscribers that way each semester.Belton Ag said:woodiewood1 said:They may have independent carriers, but it's been the same carrier for at least a decade. They even put the WSJ and Eagle in the same plastic sack.Belton Ag said:Dad called the WSJ and they told him they had independent carriers and they would have it delivered daily.LWEW said:
What did you find out about that? I subscribe to the Houston Chronicle and was wondering about that too.
For years after I moved to BCS I would buy a Houston Chronicle sub from the same guy here. He handled all sorts of newspapers and did a pretty good job for his customers. I can't remember his name now, but I wonder if he's still around.
Julian? If we're thinking of the same guy, yes, he was great.