I agree that the pressure to pass players is everywhere, but I'm just saying now having taught in multiple districts, it was by far the worst during my time at Navasota.
Hornbeck said:
Meh. If you guys think it's so great that coaches don't teach, I guess you're all for higher taxes to fund that.
My HS FB coach taught (History). He was the AD. All his assistants taught too. I get that there's a lot of support staff, bus drivers, janitors, etc. that don't teach. I also think that football coaches should Have to teach a class or two.
Ag009 is understating the situation when Lee was at Navasota. I had a few other friends - one was on the coaching staff - who were shocked at how obscene the pressure to pass football players was. Jobs threatened, leave time not approved, reassignment. And there are SO many of those young men who never benefitted from being "passed along." Many are jobless, job-to-job, incarcerated now, without the necessary skills to provide for themselves or for others who now rely on them. I'm a career coach, nearing retirement, and I've seen a lot. What staffers endured at Navasota was illegal.maroon barchetta said:
No Pass, No Play came about while I was in high school. Pressure to pass players who are flunking classes has been around since at least the 80's.
Roc96 said:Ag009 is understating the situation when Lee was at Navasota. I had a few other friends - one was on the coaching staff - who were shocked at how obscene the pressure to pass football players was. Jobs threatened, leave time not approved, reassignment. And there are SO many of those young men who never benefitted from being "passed along." Many are jobless, job-to-job, incarcerated now, without the necessary skills to provide for themselves or for others who now rely on them. I'm a career coach, nearing retirement, and I've seen a lot. What staffers endured at Navasota was illegal.maroon barchetta said:
No Pass, No Play came about while I was in high school. Pressure to pass players who are flunking classes has been around since at least the 80's.
TAMU1990 said:
This happens everywhere (football players passing classes when they shouldn't).
this occurs at basically every 5a and below school in texas. Damn near every (male) coach on staff is involved with football, so yes all football coaches, even most JH ones travel to Friday football games unless they go to scout. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone.UmustBKidding said:
He does not teach because he is the athletic director. That is how schools work around that. Most other assistants teach, some are great teachers and others not so much. But the thing that upsets some is that all the coaches must travel with the team. His rule. Which makes Friday hell when it comes to staffing. No sub available for freshman basketball coach that MUST travel with the team means a regular teacher or assistant principal has to cover all their afternoon classes.
UmustBKidding said:
Ya pretty sure you are not in touch with the scope of the issue. One recent day they were 42 short. Not 42 out they had more that that out they needed 42 additional subs. And that was not even an athletic driven event. And the coaches that are not football involved are ones saying sorry i have to have a aub i have no clue while i am required to go i have nothing to do with this.
AustinCountyAg said:UmustBKidding said:
Ya pretty sure you are not in touch with the scope of the issue. One recent day they were 42 short. Not 42 out they had more that that out they needed 42 additional subs. And that was not even an athletic driven event. And the coaches that are not football involved are ones saying sorry i have to have a aub i have no clue while i am required to go i have nothing to do with this.
Pretty sure I am in touch with the issue considering I still work in public education and am a former coach. Like I said this problem exists across all districts. Honestly, with the resources that A&M and blinn can provide consol has way more access to subs than other districts. Sounds like bad administration and not the athletic department with the problems.
AggiePhil said:
Bring him over to be A&M's OC.
Well on a Friday you have to remember football coaches, band teachers, cheer sponsors, dance team sponsors are all going to the football game. On top of that you have volleyball going on so you have coaches there, as well a cross country meets going on so you have that as well. Lets also not forget FFA meets that could be taking place so you may have Ag teachers gone also. All that on top of the normal sick days, and personal days can make an excessive # of teachers out on a particular day.Turf96 said:AustinCountyAg said:UmustBKidding said:
Ya pretty sure you are not in touch with the scope of the issue. One recent day they were 42 short. Not 42 out they had more that that out they needed 42 additional subs. And that was not even an athletic driven event. And the coaches that are not football involved are ones saying sorry i have to have a aub i have no clue while i am required to go i have nothing to do with this.
Pretty sure I am in touch with the issue considering I still work in public education and am a former coach. Like I said this problem exists across all districts. Honestly, with the resources that A&M and blinn can provide consol has way more access to subs than other districts. Sounds like bad administration and not the athletic department with the problems.
It isn't all administrative issues when one sport takes priority over education is it? Bottom line is sports are to enhance your education not get in the way or take priority of it. 45 plus teachers seems like priority over it to me. I know ag departments that take almost as many kids to judging contests as a 5A football team has that happen at many different locals in same town and take 4-5 teachers and make it just fine. Can you explain why it would take that many to go operate an away football game?
Texas high school sports needs a total reset. Sure as a coach you have heard sports don't build character they reveal it? Many times now days that is more true for admin and coaches than the kids. Maybe we need to go back to hiring men and women to coach kids in life and character over x and o. Pretty sure you would agree with this. Winning May save the coaches job but learning how to win in life May save the athletes job.
As for navasota back then there was for sure some smoke. It wasn't a huge secret. Have no first hand knowledge but had friends in all levels of that school.
Oopsletterman72 said:
2022 District 11-5A Div-1 TRI-COACH OF THE YEAR - Lee Fedora, A&M Consolidated
" They just blame the coach, blame the teacher and weak admin will just pass the same problems on to someone else. Teachers and coaches don't get the support they used to get, not even close. Its not surprising so many coaches and teachers are leaving the profession. Sad world "
Also the main reasons you can't get subs. Putting up with undisciplined students with zero administrative support is not worth the $100 +/- that a sub makes.victory said:
bottom line folks, its becoming more and more difficult to be a teacher and even more so to be a head coach of any HS sport. Its not about on field success, its about keeping the parents happy. The absolute last thing any AD, principal or super want to deal with are parents and unfortunately parents now are worse than ever and have more leverage than ever before bc they will stop at nothing. Days of holding kids accountable, being honest with kids.....less and less districts will accept this now bc it creates unhappy parents. Less standards, less expectations, less accountability.....that's what parents have created now. They just blame the coach, blame the teacher and weak admin will just pass the same problems on to someone else. Teachers and coaches don't get the support they used to get, not even close. Its not surprising so many coaches and teachers are leaving the profession. Sad world
aggiepaintrain said:
Consol Tiger Club is having a Fedora Appreciation Banquet.
Anyone have any extra popcorn?