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woodiewood1
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So our city fathers are going to discuss implementing a rental property inspection program? Is there really a need for one? Can't a person who looks at a potential rental space not evaluate the property and make their own decision on whether it is suitable?

Sounds to me to be another layer of government interference of private enterprise which I question is needed.

Of course the city with charge a fee to have them inspected generating another revenue source.

Has there been a large problem with rentals illustrating the need for an inspection program?

Brian Alg
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A group has been pushing for it lately.

https://www.kbtx.com/2022/06/06/housing-advocates-say-rental-inspections-needed-imporve-quality-life-tenants-college-station/
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oklaunion
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I believe this got shot down years ago. But, if they charged you $15 or so when they implemented the rental list, just for entering an owner's name into their database, can you imagine what an actual inspection will run?
hopeandrealchange
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Can you imagine the insanity of the people that think the City could manage a program like this.
Do they have any idea how many turns happen every July 31?
Most likely not. Because most of the rental owners I know have no idea of the rental registration program.
And the City thinks they have the exact number.
Foolish.
Brian Alg
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oklaunion said:

can you imagine what an actual inspection will run?



I am also kind of curious if the city will be able to force costly repairs on piddly stuff low rent types don't care about. With CSANers implementing this, I am concerned people trying to get onto the lower rungs of the housing market are going to take a beating.
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hopeandrealchange
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How about the city focus on Building permits and improve that mess before they start another boondoggle.
George Costanza
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Very important local election coming up in November!
BattleGrackle
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Im from the government, and I'm here to help.
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this was also recently a story on kbtx:

https://www.kbtx.com/2022/09/01/building-fire-violations-found-due-mold-aggies-move/
EliteElectric
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10 years ago or so, this was brought to us on BOA at City of Bryan. My formal comment was then, as it would be now "the libertarian in me cannot support a program which costs the city a considerable amount of non returnable dollars so that we can write citations to people who either cannot or will not pay them".

We voted it down almost unanimously.
maroon barchetta
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Caught this in the Fuego drive-thru earlier. This house next door is what, a year old?

Getting an entire new roof. I'm guessing these rentals they are tossing up as fast as possible could benefit from some inspections.

My guess is all of the recent rains after a dry summer revealed that the roof install during the build was not too good.
dubi
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Can I charge them for going in my rental? None of their business.

If a tenant doesn't like the condition they should not sign a lease.
woodiewood1
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Brian Alg said:

oklaunion said:

can you imagine what an actual inspection will run?



I am also kind of curious if the city will be able to force costly repairs on piddly stuff low rent types don't care about. With CSANers implementing this, I am concerned people trying to get onto the lower rungs of the housing market are going to take a beating.
I suspect if they want to stay out of court, about the only enforceable requirements will be those that in the NFPA LIfe safety Code....smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, no exposed elect wiring, broken breakers, handrailings on steps, etc.
duffelpud
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woodiewood1 said:

Of course the city with charge a fee to have them inspection generating another revenue source.

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oklaunion said:

I believe this got shot down years ago. But, if they charged you $15 or so when they implemented the rental list, just for entering an owner's name into their database, can you imagine what an actual inspection will run?



It's $60 now. For now anyway.
BiochemAg97
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maroon barchetta said:

Caught this in the Fuego drive-thru earlier. This house next door is what, a year old?

Getting an entire new roof. I'm guessing these rentals they are tossing up as fast as possible could benefit from some inspections.

My guess is all of the recent rains after a dry summer revealed that the roof install during the build was not too good.



Interesting. But if the building inspection didn't catch the problem when it was built, how do you expect a rental inspection to catch it?
MS08
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BiochemAg97 said:

maroon barchetta said:

Caught this in the Fuego drive-thru earlier. This house next door is what, a year old?

Getting an entire new roof. I'm guessing these rentals they are tossing up as fast as possible could benefit from some inspections.

My guess is all of the recent rains after a dry summer revealed that the roof install during the build was not too good.



Interesting. But if the building inspection didn't catch the problem when it was built, how do you expect a rental inspection to catch it?
No concern here, this is an insurance money grab. Made a hail claim, has a roofing connection because owner is a builder, get a new roof (maybe a color that owner/builder more prefers), roofer benefits with another job, and owner/builder pockets the residual funds. Insurance claim re-roofs are 2x more cost per roofing square than what new construction roofs can be done at.
woodiewood1
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maroon barchetta said:

Caught this in the Fuego drive-thru earlier. This house next door is what, a year old?

Getting an entire new roof. I'm guessing these rentals they are tossing up as fast as possible could benefit from some inspections.

My guess is all of the recent rains after a dry summer revealed that the roof install during the build was not too good.

More than likely the roof had significant hail damage that the owner was worried of a failure in the next few years and decided to make a claim and get another roof. No too much depreciation being just a couple of years old.
woodiewood1
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BiochemAg97 said:

maroon barchetta said:

Caught this in the Fuego drive-thru earlier. This house next door is what, a year old?

Getting an entire new roof. I'm guessing these rentals they are tossing up as fast as possible could benefit from some inspections.

My guess is all of the recent rains after a dry summer revealed that the roof install during the build was not too good.



Interesting. But if the building inspection didn't catch the problem when it was built, how do you expect a rental inspection to catch it?
There may not have been an inspection at the time of purchase.
Stucco
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Is a potential renter not able to hire an inspector?
Hornbeck
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Our rental property is in the county. CS address, BTU and Wellborn Water. This proposal is just for property in the city limits, right?
woodiewood1
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Stucco said:

Is a potential renter not able to hire an inspector?
Anyone can and might be good idea for an older home to check electrical and heating systems especially when there is gas heat, but I suspect most won't have a full inspection done for about $500. You get the inspection ordered and while the inspector is there, the landlord rents to someone else.

I have seen a lot of breaker boxes in residential homes that I would not lease the house. There are a number of old breakers brands that are high fire risks.

Mostly, make sure smoke detectors, CO2 monitors, and their is an inspected fire extinguisher present. I would have each in every bedroom if I was renting. A 10 year old fire extinguisher might be useless to put out a fire.
cslifer
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Why on earth would you have a CO2 monitor in a home?
CS78
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George Costanza said:

Very important local election coming up in November!


Who do we vote for? Amazes me that we have such socialist politicians in a conservative town.
dubi
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CS78 said:

George Costanza said:

Very important local election coming up in November!


Who do we vote for? Amazes me that we have such socialist politicians in a conservative town.
Sadly were are no longer a conservative town.
Smeghead4761
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My understanding is that the proposal came about because of the problem of new renters showing up to move in on August 1st and finding out that their unit isn't fit to be lived in.

The renters almost certainly didn't get a chance to see the actual unit they'd be renting beforehand, because someone else was living in it. The new renters saw a model, and in the model undoubtedly everything was clean and in proper working order. Whereas in the unit they'd actually be moving into, the previous tenants might not have moved out until July 31st, when their lease ended.

In a more normal rental market, this problem is easier to deal with, because you don't have a such huge number of renters all ending their leases at the same time. Property owners can get units fixed up for new tenants as old ones move out, because it's not 20-25% of their units moving out all at the same time.

When you expand the scope of the problem to all of the student renters across B/CS, I don't think there are enough cleaning crews in the entire Brazos Valley to get all of those rentals cleaned up in 24 hours. I honestly don't think the city could hire enough inspectors to do the necessary number of inspections in the needed timeframe, and even if they did, what would they do the rest of the year?
hopeandrealchange
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Smeghead4761 said:

My understanding is that the proposal came about because of the problem of new renters showing up to move in on August 1st and finding out that their unit isn't fit to be lived in.

The renters almost certainly didn't get a chance to see the actual unit they'd be renting beforehand, because someone else was living in it. The new renters saw a model, and in the model undoubtedly everything was clean and in proper working order. Whereas in the unit they'd actually be moving into, the previous tenants might not have moved out until July 31st, when their lease ended.

In a more normal rental market, this problem is easier to deal with, because you don't have a such huge number of renters all ending their leases at the same time. Property owners can get units fixed up for new tenants as old ones move out, because it's not 20-25% of their units moving out all at the same time.

When you expand the scope of the problem to all of the student renters across B/CS, I don't think there are enough cleaning crews in the entire Brazos Valley to get all of those rentals cleaned up in 24 hours. I honestly don't think the city could hire enough inspectors to do the necessary number of inspections in the needed timeframe, and even if they did, what would they do the rest of the year?


What most responsible owners do.
Is we stay very familiar with the condition of our homes. When we are pre leasing we take that information into account when deciding on a move in date. I give my crews a minimum of three days to turn a property.
It is a joke when talking about pulling permits with the city for typical repair and remodel projects. The city staff can't manage that program in a timely manner. And rental registration is an absolute joke. Yes mine have been registered since the beginning of the insanity and I had the privilege of paying every year for the privilege, it is my guess that less than 10 percent of rentals in CS are registered. . If the city staff thinks they can inspect even a small percentage of the turns any given July 31-August 10 they are more foolish than I thought,
And anyone that is foolish enough to rent something without seeing it deserves to pay a stupid tax. Once our society realizes we can't protect all the fools from themselves we will be much better off.
CS78
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Thats definitely a concern. I typically end my leases about a week early because I don't want that drama falling on me. But then every year I have students with nowhere to go between my lease ending 7/25 and their new one starting 8/1.

Not sure of a good solution but i know more government isn't it.

My personal opinion is the average student is way too picky about their living situation and they move around way more than they should causing themselves unnecessary headache.

The biggest complaint with a rental being ready isn't with livability or anything that an inspection can address. It's the varying opinion on just how clean a place should be. It drives me crazy. The tenant moving out "cleans". Then I have it "cleaned" by a cleaning service. Then the tenant moving in "cleans" while fit pitching about how filthy the place is. Then the tenant that moved out flips out when you hold part of their deposit for cleaning.
MS08
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CS78 said:

George Costanza said:

Very important local election coming up in November!


Who do we vote for? Amazes me that we have such socialist politicians in a conservative town.


Yes, indeed! Either way it will be a good and necessary shakeup. As a local land developer, I spend a lot of time at City Hall in front of Council and with City Staff. I have had some really bad beats because of the academic white-haireds that are not in touch with reality. I will get a thread started closer to election time if one has not already started about elections. Gig Em!
EliteElectric
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CS78 said:



Not sure of a good solution but i know more government isn't it.


^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^
BiochemAg97
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Smeghead4761 said:

My understanding is that the proposal came about because of the problem of new renters showing up to move in on August 1st and finding out that their unit isn't fit to be lived in.

The renters almost certainly didn't get a chance to see the actual unit they'd be renting beforehand, because someone else was living in it. The new renters saw a model, and in the model undoubtedly everything was clean and in proper working order. Whereas in the unit they'd actually be moving into, the previous tenants might not have moved out until July 31st, when their lease ended.

In a more normal rental market, this problem is easier to deal with, because you don't have a such huge number of renters all ending their leases at the same time. Property owners can get units fixed up for new tenants as old ones move out, because it's not 20-25% of their units moving out all at the same time.

When you expand the scope of the problem to all of the student renters across B/CS, I don't think there are enough cleaning crews in the entire Brazos Valley to get all of those rentals cleaned up in 24 hours. I honestly don't think the city could hire enough inspectors to do the necessary number of inspections in the needed timeframe, and even if they did, what would they do the rest of the year?


This seems like it would be a bigger issue for apartment/multi unit landlords. Not going to have a model rental to look at if you have several single family home type investment properties.
hopeandrealchange
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BiochemAg97 said:

Smeghead4761 said:

My understanding is that the proposal came about because of the problem of new renters showing up to move in on August 1st and finding out that their unit isn't fit to be lived in.

The renters almost certainly didn't get a chance to see the actual unit they'd be renting beforehand, because someone else was living in it. The new renters saw a model, and in the model undoubtedly everything was clean and in proper working order. Whereas in the unit they'd actually be moving into, the previous tenants might not have moved out until July 31st, when their lease ended.

In a more normal rental market, this problem is easier to deal with, because you don't have a such huge number of renters all ending their leases at the same time. Property owners can get units fixed up for new tenants as old ones move out, because it's not 20-25% of their units moving out all at the same time.

When you expand the scope of the problem to all of the student renters across B/CS, I don't think there are enough cleaning crews in the entire Brazos Valley to get all of those rentals cleaned up in 24 hours. I honestly don't think the city could hire enough inspectors to do the necessary number of inspections in the needed timeframe, and even if they did, what would they do the rest of the year?


This seems like it would be a bigger issue for apartment/multi unit landlords. Not going to have a model rental to look at if you have several single family home type investment properties.


Sir the problem with your statement is you are using common sense. I agree with you, If they are going to continue with this mess they should only harass properties that show only model units but that is not what will happen.
Tibbers
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It's a money grab. Are we going to have to run for local government to stop this bull**** from happening? Is this idea to pay for the city buying the damn mall? Such morons in our local gov. Meanwhile, Bryan continues to kick ass. Piss on CS.
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cslifer said:

Why on earth would you have a CO2 monitor in a home?
More closely monitor your carbon footprint.
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