KBTX story about children and the vaccine.

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FlyRod said:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/us/baton-rouge-childrens-hospital-surge/index.html

Perhaps this is a fluke. Perhaps it doesn't mean, per KBTX, that children need to be vaccinated.

But children do get sick and apparently require hospitalization.
"The hospital is currently treating seven Covid-19 patients, but Dunbar said they've had anywhere from eight to 12 patients per day"

Compared to flu and RSV that is trivial. They don't share any information but I'm 99% certain those kids have other health issues.

I'm all for vaccinating kids with risk factors, I think it is foolish to vaccinate all 12-18 year olds especially with the recent data on myocarditis cases and that the vaccines are not very good at preventing the spread of delta variant.
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FlyRod said:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/us/baton-rouge-childrens-hospital-surge/index.html

Perhaps this is a fluke. Perhaps it doesn't mean, per KBTX, that children need to be vaccinated.

But children do get sick and apparently require hospitalization.
Last night on tv, there was a segment of a hospital up north in another state. Apparently, the local network there ran a story about how they were full of kids with covid (in the hospital). A check of the hospital, according to this news segment, yielded the hospital saying: "We don't know what they are talking about. We are not full of children covid patients."

Apparently, it was a made up story by that local network.

You have to be cautious of what you read, especially CNN. They (CNN) were the ones who talked about the black hole theory when that Malaysian airliner went missing. I mean, really?
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MisterShipWreck said:


I've said it before... explain it to the public. But that's not happening...

And, why is that?
Because the fear factor would subside and it is needed for continued control of the masses. I no longer watch the news, err... the propaganda machine that is the free press. Check headlines every few days to make sure America is still free.
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I'm far, far more skeptical of "some guy who knows something" on the internet than I am of CNNor KBTX.

I understand distrust of media due to poor messaging. But why Internet randos are somehow more trustworthy is incomprehensible.

But in full disclosure I don't buy into conspiracy theories like so many do.

KBTX, keep up the good work.
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I'm glad I don't need fear porn to run my life. I'll use common sense.
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FlyRod said:

I'm far, far more skeptical of "some guy who knows something" on the internet than I am of CNNor KBTX.

I understand distrust of media due to poor messaging. But why Internet randos are somehow more trustworthy is incomprehensible.

But in full disclosure I don't buy into conspiracy theories like so many do.

KBTX, keep up the good work.


Ok
MisterShipWreck
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FlyRod said:

I'm far, far more skeptical of "some guy who knows something" on the internet than I am of CNNor KBTX.

I understand distrust of media due to poor messaging. But why Internet randos are somehow more trustworthy is incomprehensible.

But in full disclosure I don't buy into conspiracy theories like so many do.

KBTX, keep up the good work.

Feel free to believe what you like. I only posted links to information. Information that the MSM isn't bothering to tell us - including medical studies, and reported injuries from the shot.

I've said all along - choose the shot or not. Personal choice... But make it an educated choice - not because you do it without finding out all the facts.
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So basically you don't care if the media is presenting bias, inaccurate, incomplete, or outright false information about the virus, so as long as it presents what you want to hear so it confirms your terrified view of the virus.

There was a time when the media had some amount of honesty and could be trusted. Now they've become at best a lazy entity who puts out stories which are 90% tweets, or random fluff. At worst they are actively working to push a very specific narrative and agenda, with no regards to the truth or reality.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there have been 337 pediatric COVID-19 related deaths since the pandemic began, but an in-depth analysis like one that's taken place in England has not occurred.

FlyRod
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So basically you don't care if the media is presenting bias, inaccurate, incomplete, or outright false information about the virus, so as long as it presents what you want to hear so it confirms your terrified view of the virus.

There was a time when the media had some amount of honesty and could be trusted. Now they've become at best a lazy entity who puts out stories which are 90% tweets, or random fluff. At worst they are actively working to push a very specific narrative and agenda, with no regards to the truth or reality.


If that were true, yes I would care. But attributing this to a relatively small fry operation like KBTX (apologies to the KBTX staff who I genuinely like) is the height of paranoia and silliness.

Not everything is a conspiracy shrouding layers and layers of furtive and terrifying agendas.

Good grief it's justKBTX.

On the plus side, this would be a great Parks and Recc style sitcom: a small town media network besieged by a handful of locals who think they're at the heart of a diabolical conspiracy to inject the town's residents with scorpion DNA or whatever.
MisterShipWreck
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Why isn't there talk about this in America? On the CBS news? KBTX? Anywhere?

Israel Reports Rise in Serious COVID Cases, Positive Test Rate at 4-month High

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Israeli Health Ministry recorded on Sunday 1,398 new COVID-19 cases with 108 people in serious condition, 20 of whom are on ventilators and 25 are in critical condition. Moreover, there are 199 coronavirus patients in Israeli hospitals.

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According to the Health Ministry's data, out of the 108 patients who suffer severe symptoms 75 are inoculated with one or two jabs.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-reports-rise-in-serious-covid-cases-as-virulent-delta-variant-spreads-1.10033362

The shot do not seem to be working that great. The UK has had similar numbers recently.
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It's not being communicated because Israel is one of the most vaccinated if not the most vaccinated countries in the world. This news does not service the agenda.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/

All about the baseline.
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Pfizer (vaccine series given in Israel) protects slightly less against the more aggressive Delta that is now in Israel. So there will be more breakthrough. Also, not everyone got both shots. So even less protection against Delta.

I know a person who only got one Moderna shot, as some kind of metal compromise. At this point, I would be getting my second ASAP. And if I had gotten the J&J, I would be talking to my doctor about getting two Pfizer or Moderna.

The more interesting question to me is why is England seeing fewer serious cases of Delta all of a sudden. That is good news.
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I think it's higher transmissibility makes the slope on both sides steeper..it works through its susceptible population faster.
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Is there an unbiased source discussing the efficacy vs potential dangers of all three vaccines? So much is loaded with baggage on both sides but I'd love to see some honest side by side comparisons.
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Rapier108
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techno-ag said:

Is there an unbiased source discussing the efficacy vs potential dangers of all three vaccines? So much is loaded with baggage on both sides but I'd love to see some honest side by side comparisons.
Very, very hard to find.

There is a lot of kookary out there from the anxi-vaxxers (population reduction plan, graphene oxide, millions dead from the vaccines, etc. etc. etc.) and then there is the media and government narrative such as what was posted above in the WP.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Is there an unbiased source discussing the efficacy vs potential dangers of all three vaccines? So much is loaded with baggage on both sides but I'd love to see some honest side by side comparisons.


Almost certainly. The number of scientific studies on efficacy keeps growing, so I imagine within those data are risk details as well. You might try PubMed first as a source to hunt, as they are pretty good at sifting stuff.
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Let's not derail this thread and have it nuked as well.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
MisterShipWreck
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Rapier108 said:

Let's not derail this thread and have it nuked as well.

Yes, please don't
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Marking this post so I can come back later. May need some of this information later on to back up my own arguments.
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It is obvious that KBTX is suppressing facts from the public. It doesn't take a genius to do their own research and find credible facts that discredit the mainstream narrative. It is very frustrating to not have a credible source of local news. And hopefully the mods won't take this thread down.
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Fast forward until the weather. Fast forward until the sports. Skip everything else. Not worth yelling at the tv.
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On their social media they are posting every hospitalized infant story they can find. It doesn't matter if they are in Montana or Florida.

If they did this with RSV or flu it would be non stop all winter.

Kids get sick, it stinks but it is not news-worthy just because it is COVID. Nearly all of them do very well with this pathogen.
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Tailgate88 said:

Fast forward until the weather. Fast forward until the sports. Skip everything else. Not worth yelling at the tv.
Still can't get away from everything that way. The other day Shel was lecturing everyone global warming.
Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime.

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techno-ag said:

Tailgate88 said:

Fast forward until the weather. Fast forward until the sports. Skip everything else. Not worth yelling at the tv.
Still can't get away from everything that way. The other day Shel was lecturing everyone about how we're responsible for global warming. No mention of the ChiComs, the world's worse polluters. Just how we in BCS are responsible for global warming.
Dude spent 90% of the weathercast lecturing and going over his charts then summed up our forecast in 20 seconds. Wish they would limit him to 30 seconds or so if he can fit it into that time slot every time.
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techno-ag said:

Tailgate88 said:

Fast forward until the weather. Fast forward until the sports. Skip everything else. Not worth yelling at the tv.
Still can't get away from everything that way. The other day Shel was lecturing everyone global warming.
He is the first reason I haven't watch that news in years. So when did the earth's climate begin changing suddenly? Seems it's been changing since its creation.
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I can't remember another August in the brazos valley that was not in the 80's at sunrise. But you know, global warming.
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It's both pathetic and sad that a community this size has such a poor local news report. There are national news reports if someone is interested in that. That 30 minute slot should be devoted to stories of local interest.
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KidDoc said:

On their social media they are posting every hospitalized infant story they can find. It doesn't matter if they are in Montana or Florida.

If they did this with RSV or flu it would be non stop all winter.

Kids get sick, it stinks but it is not news-worthy just because it is COVID. Nearly all of them do very well with this pathogen.
Yes, it is getting so ridiculous.
MisterShipWreck
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FYI - I found this on another forum...

Apparently - the vaccine is NOT "approved."


james112;61754580 said:

From the FDA letter Aug 23,2021:

"On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA."

Page 12:
"This product has not been approved or licensed by FDA, but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an EUA to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 12 years of age and older"

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

Seems they just reissued the EUA?

So, is it approved or not?

I don't want to say something that isn't true... All the media says it is. Where is the story about this? I'm honestly asking. Not trying to be a smart ass.

Who the hell knows what is true anymore....
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Pfizer is FDA approved for 16+ not 12-16. The 12-16 is still EUA.
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MisterShipWreck said:

Who the hell knows what is true anymore....
Science. Science knows.

I've just read just about every response to this thread and the trend appears to be many folks arguing against vaccines and looking for "evidence" don't understand basic statistics. The astonishment over the high number of breakthrough infections in Israel proves this. The story FlyRod shared explains exactly WHY "Why isn't there talk about this in America?" - because it's not news to anyone who understands how numbers work. As for KBTX, from what I've seen they do a good job reporting how a pandemic that has claimed millions of lives around the world is affecting the local area. I say we cut them a break, take science seriously, and stop jumping to conclusions based on a poor understanding of science and statistics.

Before y'all go losing your d@mn minds and desperately try to interpret facts in a way that fits your predefined narrative I encourage y'all to step back and examine the situation objectively. The massive effort to hide the truth some of you seem eager to buy into sounds a whole lot like a conspiracy theory and those nearly 100% of the time turn out to be bunk.

For a lighter perspective on conspiracy theories, please enjoy the wonderful Mitchell and Webb (a great British comedy duo) clip on the subject below.

Mitchell & Webb - Conspiracy Theories
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