Brazos County Precinct 4 Evictions Suspended

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KorbinDallas
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https://theeagle.com/news/local/justice-of-the-peace-celina-vasquez-suspends-evictions-in-precinct-4/article_45cc620c-c8ac-11ea-bee3-3b2ebe32b660.html

According to the article Celina Vasquez has ordered that all eviction trials must wait until August 25th. I know if I was a landlord I would not be happy having to let someone live in my home rent free...
Rapier108
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The people get what they voted for.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Muzzleblast
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By what authority can she do this ?

Just making it up as she goes.

Elections have consequences.
trouble
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Except most of the landlords likely don't live there and didn't vote for her.
cavscout96
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Which begs the question, Should you be able to vote in all LOCAL elections where you own property?

Obviously not multiple votes for statewide or "national" elections, but I should get a say where i have an interest, no?
Oogway
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Property in the US that is owned by non US citizens? It's a higher percentage than one might assume. Don't care to allow voting in that respect.

*You were referring to citizens, but there is a slippery slope there I believe.
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cavscout96 said:

Which begs the question, Should you be able to vote in all LOCAL elections where you own property?

Obviously not multiple votes for statewide or "national" elections, but I should get a say where i have an interest, no?
No. A person should be able to vote in only one place at a time, and that place is where they reside, either permanent address or current address if not living at permanent address (military, college students, temporary professional duty assignments). But only one place at a time.
KorbinDallas
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On the face I think giving votes to Absentee owners sounds good, but under more examination it's problematic. Someone with enough wealth could buy property all over the country and vote in each local election? You could just sell land by the square foot, or even .1 acre and have 1000 people vote red or blue and completely throw a local election off.
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Citizens.

thoughts on slippery slope? Voter fraud or something else?
cavscout96
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KorbinDallas said:

On the face I think giving votes to Absentee owners sounds good, but under more examination it's problematic. Someone with enough wealth could buy property all over the country and vote in each local election? You could just sell land by the square foot, or even .1 acre and have 1000 people vote red or blue and completely throw a local election off.
what would motivate someone to do this though?
BQ_90
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if I was landlord I'd start removing front doors. what can they do, take you to court.
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cavscout96 said:

KorbinDallas said:

On the face I think giving votes to Absentee owners sounds good, but under more examination it's problematic. Someone with enough wealth could buy property all over the country and vote in each local election? You could just sell land by the square foot, or even .1 acre and have 1000 people vote red or blue and completely throw a local election off.
what would motivate someone to do this though?
Seriously? The motivation would be swaying the makeup of Congress.

Edit: sorry, you are talking about local elections, which is even worse. You want the local elected officials to represent the constituency they are elected to represent, not absentee owners who can sway an election by how much property they own. Would they get one vote or would it be commensurate to how much property they own?
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She has the support of Young Democratic Socialists of America at Texas A&M. They are calling for the other JP's to follow her lead.
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My proposal is for the JP to pay the rent out of her own pocket until evictions are allowed.

She should also not be paid as she is refusing to do her job.
cavscout96
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Why?
cavscout96
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One vote per county. Why shouldn't I get a voice in all places I own property?

I have an interest in how those places are governed, no?

Again, not talking statewide or "national."

I'm talking JP, county judge, city council. Their policies affect me whether Iive there or not.

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Precinct 4 was created by the Feds years ago. Local politicians are afraid to touch it.




Oogway
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You'd probably want to consult with Aggiehawg on the politics board for the particulars because she's got legal knowledge and background that I lack, specifically with cases that might relate (Reynolds v. Sims might be one and some of the things that led to it at the state and lower level).

However, hypothetically, here is something I could try:

Say Oogway and brethren of the Carnac The Magnificent Temple (located in downtown Burbank) decided that we wished to put up a lot of dough and purchase tracts of land in your fair city of College Station or Bryan. If we pool our resources and are an entity, do we each receive a vote if we buy land? If there are, say a thousand adherents among the flock, that could land one a seat on the city council if we had a particular candidate we favored. What if there were more and we ran multiple candidates and decided that (since we don't live there) that we wanted to change the zoning and stop repairing roads? You could argue: well doesn't that negatively affect your property values? Well, yes it would but it would also affect yours and then the brethren might just buy you out when you decide to move/leave.

I'm using extremes here, but wars have been fought over whether property owners should have more vote(s) than non property owners. I am a property owner, but I will not disenfranchise unequally Americans who own no land in favor of those that do.
KorbinDallas
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You can buy a square foot of land in Scotland and become "Lord Texags User"

https://www.businessinsider.com/you-can-become-a-lady-or-a-lord-in-scotland-2018-6

What would stop people from doing the same in any county just to be able to vote.

I don't think it's a good idea
cavscout96
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the problem with your example is that "entities," assuming you mean crops and partnerships, in and of themselves, don't vote.

I guess I'm just looking at it 180 degrees out from your last comment. Why should a property owner be DIS-enfranchised? Are not the interests, generally, the same or similar?

Potential solution for non-resident voting. No more than one vote per parcel, and no more than one vote per individual.

I live in Houston

I own 25 rentals in CS, I still only get one vote.

My 1000 closest friends and I pitch in to by a high rise apartment with undivided interests and no corporate structure. Literally 1000 people in equal ownership of the property. 1 vote.


I live in CS

I own 25 rentals in CS, I still only get one vote.

My 1000 closest friends and I pitch in to by a high rise apartment with undivided interests and no corporate structure. Literally 1000 people in equal ownership of the property. I get 1 vote. Potentially, ONE non-res owner (NOT ME, I only get 1 vote) could get a vote, but it is cast on behalf of the owners and my PERSONAL vote is cast on my own behalf as a RESIDENT.

I'm honestly trying to follow the logic trail here. Does that really change tip the balance away from those who do not own property. Again, I'm talking local elections here, The statehouse majority does not hang in the balance.
cavscout96
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why would they? what is the motivation?

OK, 1/4 acre minimum for NON-residents? (or name your preferred sf lot size)
KorbinDallas
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A lot of people go to extremes for political gain, that's an easy reason why someone would choose to abuse a system based on land ownership.

We don't give voting status based on land ownership in the USA, I think that's a good thing.

As a land owner you do have some other influences over your local politicians that a non-owner does not have because you pay taxes on your land.
agrab86
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cavscout96 said:

One vote per county. Why shouldn't I get a voice in all places I own property?

I have an interest in how those places are governed, no?

Again, not talking statewide or "national."

I'm talking JP, county judge, city council. Their policies affect me whether Iive there or not.


One person, one vote. Not one piece of property, one vote. More and more, all elections, federal, state, and local, are being held the same day, so keeping ballots straight would be a problem - not everyone uses electronic systems that would make it easier.. And it would encourage those on the left and the right who gave a lot if money to buy land in a bunch of localities for the express purpose of controlling policies.

In short, it would create an aristocracy based on money, kind of like the feudal system. No thanks!!

Btw, I think your playing devil's advocate here, but if not, you're way off on this idea.

And you do have an interest in policies in areas where you might own property, and you already have a voice. It's called campaign contributions. After all, the Supreme Court said money is speech.
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cavscout96 said:

Which begs the question, Should you be able to vote in all LOCAL elections where you own property?

Obviously not multiple votes for statewide or "national" elections, but I should get a say where i have an interest, no?
Can it be done? The simple answer is it depends on your state and municipality and type of election. Texas doesn't allow it

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/non-resident-and-non-citizen-voting.aspx

Should it be done? IMO depends on the location and the election. It might make sense on a water-bond-related election if a farmer owns land in one rural county, but lives in the neighboring rural county, for example.

Would it be done, in Texas? IMO no, it's political poison. Why would any people anywhere in Texas want to dilute their voting power to outsiders? Any state legislator who voted for a law enabling this would lose his/her next election
TLIAC
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cavscout96 said:

Which begs the question, Should you be able to vote in all LOCAL elections where you own property?

Obviously not multiple votes for statewide or "national" elections, but I should get a say where i have an interest, no?
We own a beach house in Navarre Beach, FL. I sure wish I had a say in local elections since we pay a hefty chunk in property taxes.
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What I have heard of is people in outlying school districts buying a rental in CSISD and using the address to enroll their kid. While they might not get a say in elections, at least they get something for the property taxes paid.
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One person one vote. Not too difficult, is it.
cavscout96
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Yes. This is all I'm saying. Nothing nefarious. Not trying to tip Amy state or national elections, but they n places where I have an interest (ie pay taxes). I should have a say
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atm86 said:

One person one vote. Not too difficult, is it.


Wow, thanks for clarifying. It makes so much more sense now.
cavscout96
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I see what your saying, but what if my ranch is a single parcel, or multiple contiguous parcles, in two counties?
cavscout96
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That take actually makes more sense.

I think the one man one vote mantra is a little trite and, to a degree, misrepresented in contemporary parlance.

I see your point of view though.
cavscout96
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That's kinda my point. I pay taxes, but have no voice unless I physically occupy the land. And just for clarification, I am NOT advocating an ownership requirement to vote.
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I like 1 tax dollar, 1 vote
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BQ_90 said:

if I was landlord I'd start removing front doors. what can they do, take you to court.
If you make your rental property uninhabitable, which this would do, you will be sued and they will win.
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