agrab86 said:

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You do, however, seem to be convinced that the face covering is the deal breaker. As an over-55 Christian who goes out often and is doing just fine, I take your insinuation that millions of Christians like me who don't think face coverings are needed are brainless to be offensive. But that's ok. I forgive you and will simply distance from you and all will remain just fine.

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Nope. I definitely am not insinuating Christians are brainless as I am one as well. I am saying that if you profess to be a Christian, then it seems you would live according to Jesus' teachings and commandments.

Not wearing a mask because it violates your "rights" to express yourself (whatever the heck that means) means you are elevating yourself above commandments such as love your neighbor, be compassionate, etc.

As a conservative with more libertarian views, this is how it should be. Government can caution and give warnings but should not be in the business of legislating behaviors. Making something illegal does not necessarily coerce everyone to not do it. Look at the war on drugs. They're illegal, and yet people still do them. Look at most crimes. People do things because they choose to, sometimes despite the laws against them. Laws, locks, etc are for the honest people. The criminals will continue to commit crimes.

So you (in general terms) want masks to be mandated, based on the set of science you choose to back your beliefs. I can show you papers and research that shows masks do little to help things, especially cloth masks. But they don't fit the narrative so they are discarded. "But it can save a few lives!" Everyone not driving would save lives from auto accidents, but we don't consider never driving again.

What happens when we decide to legislate other things based on "public good", that you may not agree with. What if we legislate that we need to take 50% of your salary to give to those who feel disadvantaged so that we can quell the riots and unrest? Do we just call that a minor inconvenience for a greater good and move on?

What if the government decides who gets life saving health care and who doesn't, based on their research and science, whether you agree with it or not. What happens when you or your loved one isn't in the group worth saving? Do we just say that the government knows best and go along with it?

I don't believe government knows best and I do believe that those in the legislature make decisions based on what benefits them the most, or their side the most. All well and good until you're on the minority side and the laws start hurting more.

Use common sense, make wise choices,but I don't need the governor or other officials telling me what's mandatory or not. Whether it's masks, seat belts, helmets, etc.

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MeKnowNot said:

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RGovernor Abbott at today's press conference:

"I know that some people feel that wearing a mask is inconvenient or is an infringement of freedom, but I also know that wearing a mask will help us to keep Texas open," he said. "Not taking action to slow the spread will cause COVID-19 to spread even worse, risking people's lives and ultimately leading to the closure of more businesses."

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Yet the Governor did not mandate them. He encourages them. I can accept that. Wear them if you want to.

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Affirmative. I too can agree with the Governor on endorsing them. In an open society we should use more encouragement, good examples and common sense. Nothing good comes from the government "forcing", "mandating", or "using the power of the police state" to coerce an activity without a law legislated by our elected officials. On the flip side, a business could do that as well as an employer. IF you don't like their policy either suck it up, change jobs, or go to another business.

Yet you ignore the facts presented above, refuse to answer questions, and make up facts about people being kicked out of the hospital to make room for more sick people because you don't believe that 9 people could "magically get well and make room for 13 sick people". Sullivan himself said yesterday that despite the increase hospitalizations, we aren't seeing the ICU being overrun.

You say that schools are starting back up with not real safety standards. I don't believe this is the case, as noted by what we've been sent from the district. BISD has sent out surveys, stating that they are gathering information on what the options are going to be for the fall, and that the start of school in the fall could look different than we have seen in the past.

I've talked to people who work and teach at A&M. They are actively discussing different teaching and attendance models. One said she wouldn't be surprised if the only time she goes on campus in the fall is to teach her class, all other work would be done from home.

I have first hand knowledge based on the above, and believe administrators and those in charge are actively examining options, safety protocols, how to change standards for the better.

Excuse me if I don't blindly take your word as fact, and thus face the facts.

Looking at actual evidence does not make us deniers.

Not believing and responding exactly as you do also does not make us deniers.

To what? Stuff you are claiming I believe but I don't?

It's a bad virus. A lot of people are going to get it. Some people are going to die.

We aren't close to having local hospitals overwhelmed with cases.

I still have no idea exactly what you want me to say.

The evidence agrees with my stance. Many are going to get it. Most will survive. A small percentage will need hospitalization. An even smaller percentage will die.

Wash your hands. Wear a mask when feasible. Socialize responsibly for your risk level.

We aren't close to running out of healthcare resources. L

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I still have no idea exactly what you want me to say.

The evidence agrees with my stance. Many are going to get it. Most will survive. A small percentage will need hospitalization. An even smaller percentage will die.

Wash your hands. Wear a mask when feasible. Socialize responsibly for your risk level.

We aren't close to running out of healthcare resources. L

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Yankee wants you to tell him he has been right all this time and you have been wrong unless you can give him evidence that he will accept that shows you're correct. Only he won't accept your evidence because he is convinced of his own. And round-and-round it goes.

Umm, she.

What on earth are you on about?

Stop. Take a deep breath. Step away. Come back later and reread the posts above.

No one is laughing you out of the room. No one knew you were female until you edited your post.

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" STAFF - I would like know how people know I am female? "

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Your very first post on Texags you mention you have a husband who is 35.

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" STAFF - I would like know how people know I am female? "

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Your very first post on Texags you mention you have a husband who is 35.

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That doesn't mean the poster is female.

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" STAFF - I would like know how people know I am female? "

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Your very first post on Texags you mention you have a husband who is 35.

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AggieYankee1 said:

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trouble said:

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To what? Stuff you are claiming I believe but I don't?

It's a bad virus. A lot of people are going to get it. Some people are going to die.

We aren't close to having local hospitals overwhelmed with cases.

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Again. Please answer the question.

What is your Rubric for success/failure. When would you admit you were wrong to down play the seriousness and I'm not just talking to you but everyone else on here that try's to belittle people into silence.

Because make no mistake that is the goal.. to stop people complaining and accept it as a part of the world... for what reasons... who knows.

But please explain - when would you or anyone admit they were wrong to down play it. I've given mine - what is any of y'alls?

STAFF - I would like know how people know I am female?

Tell me - are you guys sharing email addresses... private email addresses?

*** I'm so glad to know that you folks spend hours on here and instead of using that time to remind people how serious this is - you attempt in a very cruel way to laugh them out of the room like a bully insecure about the geek because he is smarter.

Spend that time trying to remind people that our economy COULD get a 2nd punch because the lack of caring people are putting in spreads the virus. This means people instead of feeling safe will be scared back into their home and not back to restaurants and stores. You know - small business.

The #1 reason parents and families will be reluctant to send their kids either to Texas A&M or to public schools is due to the lack of caring responsibility they see and other people like those on this forum.
So in the end - it could be y'all that really crush the economy - not 'us'.

Ironic is it not...

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Well, in an effort to let you know no one is bullying you, and I sure don't agree with the "very cruel way of bullying the geek because they are smarter" comment. I might remind you that you're the one badgering posters to "answer the question" because you don't agree with their answer.

This is a message board, where people are free to and should feel free to share their opinion. But that opinion has to be based on facts. Not fear. You still haven't answered questions about your claims of Dr's rationing care.

Statements such as this one you made on page two, "There were nine discharged along with 13 admitted... does anyone really think that 9 people all of a sudden just got better on the same day 13 got sick. It is more likely that they saw a huge influx and the staff made a choice to have some young's discharged to make room." That is you interpreting a stat to fit what your narrative is. It's simply not true that Dr's are kicking patients out of hospitals while they still need care.

Your other statement on the first post about Caprock transitioning their University clinic to a Covid clinic insinuates that there are so many cases they are being forced to do so. If you look at the news article on KBTX, they stated in the article that they made the business decision to operate that clinic as Covid only, so that there is a smaller risk of staff and non covid patients at their other clinics and hospital coming in contact with Covid patients. I imagine that that University clinic is way down in patients, period, with the University being closed and students being out of town. So they made the business decision to transition the specialty of care at that clinic, vs one of the clinics that are more near residential areas and still seeing more regular patients from the surrounding neighborhoods. Seems like a business making business decisions on how to best serve the community and their personnel.

https://www.kbtx.com/2020/06/18/caprock-transitioning-urgent-care-on-university-to-covid-patients-only/

Sullivan at the BCHD said yesterday that yes, contacts with patients, hospitalizations are up. To be cautious and mindful about distancing, masks, etc. But he made clear that the ICU's are not being overrun. Professionals here with experience in hospitals have stated that ICU's regularly operate near capacity. It's how they are profitable. If a hospital doesn't have patients and procedures, they aren't making money. Canceling procedures previously to make room for what if's resulted in hospitals furloughing or laying off staff because they didn't have the finances to pay them.

https://www.kbtx.com/content/news/Baylor-Scott--White-announces-layoffs-furloughs-due-to-COVID-19-570773981.html

We can have a civil conversation, no one is bullying you. I'd argue the opposite. It's a back and forth of thoughts and ideas. We are allowed to disagree. But you can't win an argument if you're going to twist the truth to fit the narrative.



Edit to say, I had no idea if you're male, female or some other preferred pronoun. I have no idea what your email is, or anyone else's email here. Trouble replied to me after I, in the post above it called her a he about 15 times. Then I apologized for calling her a he. That's it, plain and simple. Sorry if you took it otherwise.

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To what? Stuff you are claiming I believe but I don't?

It's a bad virus. A lot of people are going to get it. Some people are going to die.

We aren't close to having local hospitals overwhelmed with cases.

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Again. Please answer the question.

What is your Rubric for success/failure. When would you admit you were wrong to down play the seriousness and I'm not just talking to you but everyone else on here that try's to belittle people into silence.

Because make no mistake that is the goal.. to stop people complaining and accept it as a part of the world... for what reasons... who knows.

But please explain - when would you or anyone admit they were wrong to down play it. I've given mine - what is any of y'alls?

STAFF - I would like know how people know I am female?

Tell me - are you guys sharing email addresses... private email addresses?

*** I'm so glad to know that you folks spend hours on here and instead of using that time to remind people how serious this is - you attempt in a very cruel way to laugh them out of the room like a bully insecure about the geek because he is smarter.

Spend that time trying to remind people that our economy COULD get a 2nd punch because the lack of caring people are putting in spreads the virus. This means people instead of feeling safe will be scared back into their home and not back to restaurants and stores. You know - small business.

The #1 reason parents and families will be reluctant to send their kids either to Texas A&M or to public schools is due to the lack of caring responsibility they see and other people like those on this forum.
So in the end - it could be y'all that really crush the economy - not 'us'.

Ironic is it not...

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Wow.... Seriously?

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I'm just not sure how he thinks hospitals normally run. They don't need the governor's permission to cancel elective procedures if they are short on space. ICUs run at nearly full capacity most of the time and few people outside of the hospital know it.

Heck, just this past November, there were no NICU beds available in Bryan, College Station, The Woodlands, or at Dell Children's. When my son was born, our choices for transfer were TCH in the medical center or Seton Main in Austin. It happens. All the time. I was a charge nurse in a critical care unit at Brack in Austin. My daily goal was to flip as many of my 18 beds as possible to open ICU beds.

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Absolutely correct. We have waited for ICU beds on three different occasions for our parents in Houston area hospital long before Covid. They run at 100% capacity on a normal basis.